mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
Let see. 3,000 photos at 20 megabyte each. Also shot in raw. Almost a terabyte and a half of photos. They also take about a minute to open each file in Android's gallery app.
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Let see. 3,000 photos at 20 megabyte each. Also shot in raw. Almost a terabyte and a half of photos. They also take about a minute to open each file in Android's gallery app.
Because it wouldn't be durable enough; I would've thought that was fairly obvious
As I've already said, a metal alloy, probably the same as already used in other parts of the iPhone4's enclosure.
Given that I've never said any such thing, quite the opposite in fact, I will assume that either you're just looking to argue to the point of making things up, or not really understanding what you're reading; either way, there is no point discussing it further.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
Canon cameras produce 2 versions of the files. A RAW and a high res JPEG. So it is more like 6,000 files for 3K images. 20 Megabyte RAW file and 8-10 meg 'preview' JPEG file. Then rest of the difference is probably due all the video files that my camera produces. I shoot with a Canon SLR and all the files are in DCIM directories. I would need to go thru 40-50 directories to remove those .mp4 files.
1.5 terabyte is being a bit generous, it might as well be more than that. The point is to find a way to manage and copy those files to the phone. And there are no 512MB microSDH or 1 TB sdhc cards on the market.
You pretty much have to use an image management tool. None of which work with Android in creating multi-albums.
I also want to say I am not in a unique situation. I am new parent. I am in a parent group with 30 other dads. About 20 of us use dSLRs or HD cameras. Each of us have taken more than a terabyte of photos/video of our kids per year. This is average joe kind of stuff. If you are a new dad, you might understand. Having a phone that allows you to have multiple albums and easy way to copy/organize is a big selling point. I can take about 120 shots per birthday party.
Anthony1
Android Enthusiast
It was stuff like this that made me listen to Ken Rockwell and stop shooting RAW altogether. I shoot purely jpg now and I haven't regretted it one bit.
If the guys on this forum think the Android Vs Apple arguments are bad wait until they see a RAW Vs jpg one
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
It was stuff like this that made me listen to Ken Rockwell and stop shooting RAW altogether. I shoot purely jpg now and I haven't regretted it one bit.
If the guys on this forum think the Android Vs Apple arguments are bad wait until they see a RAW Vs jpg one
Lol. I can understand where are you coming from if you just want to take casual pictures. I shoot RAW because I do a lot of post-processing/retouching. I got to out-do the other parents w/ children's picts.
As technology progress, I can see normal people using 1-2 terabytes a year. More megapixel, higher resolution video files,etc.. and back on topic:
The iPhone has the best eco-system to handle that. I can take the movie file of my Canon camera and just copy it to drop-box. NO need to sync and an iPad can play it. So iPhone 4 (according to spec) should too.
I am a fairly new dad of two kids....nearing 2 and 3 this year and I don't need it. I just talked with an iPhone loving coworker yesterday who is also a dad and he had no clue about any of this just like my remodeler. I guess I don't have your problem since I use Picasa web to manage and share any photos that I really want to have organized in albums with that much detail. Thats why people wanted the upload features so bad. For the shots I take on my phone I don't need them in order with special album covers. 9/10 times when the family starts asking about pics of the kids I simply open the gallery and start flicking backwards showing them the most recent photos moving on back which makes perfect sense. If I want a more detailed set of albums or don't want to use up the space on my microSD I just browse to PicasaWeb on my phone to show people. The iPhone is too stuck on the desktop paradigm while Android is setting us up for the cloud. Ironically this is where Jobs wants to go but its Google thats actually doing the work. I wish HTC would get in gear and put the Picasa upload back.
And honestly with no HDMI out or any other device to screen viewing technology on the iPhone whats the point in preparing these great slideshows just to have everyone huddle around a tiny screen? Again it looks like detail being paid to specific areas while missing the bigger picture. And your case is pretty much a cherry picked scenario to support the iPhone. Normally when it gets to this point it means the features no longer speak for themselves. It lets me know Google is on the right track with Android.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
Not true. Iphone, you can use Photobucket, flickr, and some other cloud services.. They also upload via the cloud. They have native free apps in the app store if you want to do the "cloud" method. Also, it is not smart to upload terabytes of hi-res images to cloud services.
Because it wouldn't be durable enough; I would've thought that was fairly obvious
As I've already said, a metal alloy, probably the same as already used in other parts of the iPhone4's enclosure.
Given that I've never said any such thing, quite the opposite in fact, I will assume that either you're just looking to argue to the point of making things up, or not really understanding what you're reading; either way, there is no point discussing it further.
Ahh...disregard...too many usernames starting with "m" in this thread...think I got you guys mixed up. My bad.
Oh dear!
If they used a metal alloy, or plastic for the rear and it was dropped and scratched it would still be perfectly usable(assuming the phone still worked), but I wouldn't want to drop it, shatter the back and carry on using the phone while holding all those shards in my hand!
Anthony1
Android Enthusiast
FWIW, some interesting insight on why companies moving towards "Gorilla Glass":
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/managingandleadership-19142760/going-gorilla-for-corning-20246273
That cracked iP4 pic doesn't seem to correlate with all the Gorilla glass testing vids. Supposedly GG can survive the "frozen turkey test". I wonder if that is a black market or pre-production model. If not, I'm selling my Corning stock.
Also, is it me, or do the buttons seem missing in this pic?
There is nothing wrong with uploading all of those images. I'd hope you have these images backed up on a home server and aren't trusting them any more to your iPhone than you are the cloud especially when it doesn't have removable media. However the "cloud" (and I really hate that term though I longed for the idea) allows me to show and tell anywhere and asynchronously. I have never cared for being tied to one device and/or computer and thats one of the things that sparked my interest in Android when I had none in the iPhone. They are working towards wireless interactivity between all of your devices. The iPhone gallery feature may be nice but it doesn't add up to the overall cloud to device experience Android is going for. And they've just started. IPhone may be able to use the sites but if they keep up their spat with Google they may not get in on the cloud to device interaction. If they are going to have music pushed back and forth from your own collection wirelessly then surely photo and video will be done as well. Poor MS....they actually have this stuff and can't make heads or tails of it to save their lives.
Jammy
Android Expert
It is just a shell. No internals whatsoever. A phone with no internals will be easier to break like this as the force created when you drop it has nowhere to go, but once it's full of components, they will help absorb some of the shock.
I really don't get how so many people break their iPhone screens. If you have a device worth that much, why not try taking care of it? I've had a 1st gen iPod Touch since 2007, and it's not broken, even after dropping it quite a few times on concrete/gravel.
How do we know that shell is using the final glass?
Don't make me laugh. I work for an enormous company, we're in a hundred countries with 150k+ employees. I'm a senior windows/vmware engineer and in its current state the iPhone will NEVER be allowed for corporate use with us.
Not when the supposedly hardware encrypted iPhone 3gs can be plugged into a machine running ubuntu via usb and the ENTIRE FILESYSTEM CAN BE READ.
Let me repeat that, simply by plugging an encrypted iPhone 3gs into an ubuntu box, you can read EVERYTHING in the filesystem. Call logs, contacts, email, files, music, pictures, video, mms, sms. Its all out in the open.
Also, the iPhone lies to Exchange about certain security policy compliance. It tells Exchange, "Oh yes! I adhere to your policies" but in reality, it doesn't. I'm sorry, that puts me in a bind legally.
For any company that has Sarbox or HIPAA compliance to worry about, the iPhone is a no-go. A single lost device can result in millions in fines.
We currently allow Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Palm Treo devices.
Android devices are in the final stages of testing with the Moto Droid, Nexus One, HTC Incredible looking like they're going to pass.
Moto Droid and Nexus One require a third party app called Touchdown for full compliance. The HTC Incredible has native support for the security policies and remote wipe we need, no third party app required.
We use Verizon and AT&T for phones if you're wondering why the HTC Evo isn't being tested.
That's because it isn't encrypted. It just has the option of having a passcode on the lock screen. iOS 4 will have enterprise security features though.
According to apple and others, the iphone 3gs has hardware encryption.
Apple - iPhone in Business - Integration
iPhone 3G S: Still Not Ready to Go to Work - PCWorld Business Center
Hackers scoffing at iPhone 3GS' hardware encryption -- Engadget
If it really does have hardware based encryption, wow, what a shitty implementation.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
You can do the same sort of damage on Windows and Android.
iFuse (as you mentioned Ubuntu) can mount a file system. Can you installed unsigned iPhone apps? No. How easy it is to unpack the contacts db? It is fairly easy to do it to Android.
As for you contacts, your point?
I can run this in the shell of my computer to pull your Android contacts. You know it is written in sqlite3?
./adb shell
# export PATH=/data/busybox:$PATH
export PATH=/data/busybox:$PATH
# find data -name "*.db" -print
find data -name "*.db" -print
data/data/com.google.android.providers.contacts/databases/contacts.db
data/data/com.google.android.providers.googleapps/databases/accounts.db
By the same token I can do much far more damage to Android Device without even plugging it in.
I can send a malicious sel-signed .apk via email. I can SCP a file from a remote location onto the phone filesystem.
I do it all the time; I send myself custom apps I've written.
I can also use a pc,mac or linux to install trojan .apks that get contacts, geo and send that remotely. Took me to 2 minutes to a sign a self certificate
With known root tools, you can easily run InstantRoot.apks.
Your organization probably doesn't run enterprise features like WPA2 with EAP encryption or Cisco IPSEC group authentication.
You can't do anything to anyones Android phone that they didn't allow you to do using your methods. They must first set their phone to allow installing non market applications. Most average users don't know how to do this. Most that turn it on know they need to watch what they install. You know this yourself. Its not like the text message hijack on the iPhone where all you had to do was receive this unsuspected text message. Don't try to demonize side app installs. Thats one of the powers of the platform and it comes with responsibilities. If its too much for a person then thats understandable and by all means they should use a more limited device where they can't make the decision on what they want to install.
And getting the data off an iPhone only requires one additional step of extracting the files which gets you the same SQLite databases you have on Android. Theres a publicly available utility as I understand it. So lets not pretend its something difficult to do.