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Seeing as people are having issue's with Google, why not join in with Microsoft and make an Android Version of the IPhone.

Hear me out. Android with IPhone security can still be used.
It offers the security of the Iphone while still offering a less expensive phone.

It would have to be a completely different Department and of course we would all feel.more comfortable with the security under their control.

It would boost sales all around while giving us better search engine's like Bing.

There is more thought that can be put in to this. Just figured I'd spark life to it.
 
I don't understand what you mean by "an android version of the iPhone": porting Android to an iPhone won't make anything more secure, hardening android has nothing to do with the iPhone, and porting iOS to other hardware will bring every lawyer Apple can afford down on your head (and they have very deep pockets). So what do you actually mean?

Meanwhile I don't see what Microsoft, who are currently out of the phone business, have to do with this at all. If you want to use Bing though, use Bing - nobody is stopping you.

I'd also be wary of blindly accepting claims about iOS security though: they put more resources into curating their app store, but they do have security holes and weaknesses of their own, so complacency equals vulnerability on iOS as with as any other platform.
 
Seeing as people are having issue's with Google, why not join in with Microsoft and make an Android Version of the IPhone.

Hear me out. Android with IPhone security can still be used.
It offers the security of the Iphone while still offering a less expensive phone.

It would have to be a completely different Department and of course we would all feel.more comfortable with the security under their control.

It would boost sales all around while giving us better search engine's like Bing.

There is more thought that can be put in to this. Just figured I'd spark life to it.
Hi Mr Gates! But, Bill, why are you using a pseudonym? :thinking:

Anyway, thanks for the best laugh I've had in ages! :D

Just thinking about the insecure, virus-riddled shit Micro$oft puts out, somehow merging with the most secure operating system (Linux), cracks me up!

You might want to head back to Redmond now, Bill. But thanks for the great laugh!
 
just curious what issues does google have when it comes to android? they just booted a bunch of apps out of the play store....so we are good there. i do not recall any specific virus or malware right now running amuck on android. with each android os, google is making its os more secure.

so why bring ios into the picture? why bring microsoft?

with my phone i feel very secure in using it anywhere i go. i do not live in fear of getting a virus. plus android does not work that way. in order for a virus to infect the phone, it will need to be downloaded somehow.....so as long as you are careful and do not download anything from a suspicious site....you are good.

plus what makes you think iphones are any safer?
 
Here's my thoughs on it, the Iphon9 was the only suppose phone version to have an issue with it security as far as all of the drama on the news about them not letting the fbi in so they had some "hackers" hack their back door for some supposed Isis affiliated member.

Anyway, I've had plenty of issue's with adroids security after recently coming back from california. So, seeing as it took a special hacker group to get in to a secure phone industry that refused to give that person's information to them would be the best option to go with as far as 'Security'.

Now, android would be able to capitalise on this along with bing if they along with microsoft accounts make a 3-way deal that can LITERALLY..make a new phone franchise and give us other and cheaper options while still having the security needed in our phone's.

Here's where Bing comes in.
Seeing as I've had multiple issue's with google mail, accounts, play store..it goes on.
Why not have a competing company that can (if they chose to do so) LEGALLY make contracts to agree upon bsuiness wise.
This not only stops the selective information google decides to feed people, but it also, offers better and factual information by phone quicker.

Here's where microsoft comes in with Microsoft accounts.
Now we have microsoft account bindings to the phone's, creating a link for your phone to a pc for automatic tracking, downloading/swapping information out, etc.

Here's how it ALL COMES TOGETHER..

AYou have one bad son of a gun that will give an excellent search engine with Microsoft's pc and phone binding while finishing it off with an Iphone secruity system.
 
i asked for thoughts by the way. Not excessive babbling about nothing that has to do with this subject at hand.

Please reserve all of your comments for serious input in to a beautiful project.

Thank You.
 
you put too much faith in apple's security.......i'll pass for now.

i love my note 10+ too much with its 18hr average battery life and gorgeous screen.....it's too much for me to give up. plus i could care less about privacy as my life is an open book.....nothing to hide here. and i am cautious enough with what i choose to download.
 
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Please reserve all of your comments for serious input in to a beautiful project.
Excuse me, but any 'project' that dares to use the words 'security' and 'Micro$oft' in the same sentence, MUST be a joke.

And your fundamental misunderstanding of Android and iOS security makes everything else you say seem laughable. If those terrorists' phones had been Android, the FBI would've come up against similar roadblocks. They just happened to be Apple.

Android phones are encrypted and are very secure. By the way, iOS is based on UNIX--just like Android is.

If you understood anything about the built-in security of UNIX/Linux, especially compared to the woefully insecure crap called window$, you'd realize how utterly unnecessary your project idea is. To say nothing of how just plain BAD it is.

Bring in Micro$oft to improve Android security? Bwaaaaahhh! :D :D

PS You don't make words plural by adding apostrophe s, e.g., issue's, phone's, etc. It's issues, phones, etc.
 
Here's my thoughs on it, the Iphon9 was the only suppose phone version to have an issue with it security as far as all of the drama on the news about them not letting the fbi in so they had some "hackers" hack their back door for some supposed Isis affiliated member.

Actually when it comes to my data security I trust Apple much less than I trust Google. In fact I trust Apple less than Facebook for keeping my shit private and secure.

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-apple-china-20160226-story.html

Apple seems to be practising double standards when it comes to data security and access to it.
Profits are more important than privacy with Apple.

Yeh, Apple doesn't want to let the FBI in, but they're happy to give the Ministry of Public Security in Beijing full access to everything.
 
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Actually when it comes to my data security I trust Apple much less than I trust Google. In fact I trust Apple less than Facebook for keeping my shit private and secure.

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-apple-china-20160226-story.html

Apple seems to be practising double standards when it comes to data security and access to it.
Profits are more important than privacy with Apple.

Yeh, Apple doesn't want to let the FBI in, but they're happy to give the Ministry of Public Security in Beijing full access to everything.
Nice article, @mikedt, and one I don't recall reading before. My favorite part is its last paragraph:

“I’d love to hold all global corporations to Google’s moral standard, but it’s probably not realistic to expect that, especially from a company like Apple whose most important market is probably China.”
 
I don't understand what you mean by "an android version of the iPhone": porting Android to an iPhone won't make anything more secure, hardening android has nothing to do with the iPhone, and porting iOS to other hardware will bring every lawyer Apple can afford down on your head (and they have very deep pockets). So what do you actually mean?

Meanwhile I don't see what Microsoft, who are currently out of the phone business, have to do with this at all. If you want to use Bing though, use Bing - nobody is stopping you.

I'd also be wary of blindly accepting claims about iOS security though: they put more resources into curating their app store, but they do have security holes and weaknesses of their own, so complacency equals vulnerability on iOS as with as any other platform.
Unless IOS is Open Source then apple can't do shit lol
 
To be fair, can you name a corporation that genuinely regards privacy as more important than profits?

The only way I can see that happening is if they believed that a privacy breach would destroy their business model, i.e. badly affect their profits.

Anyway, back to the OP's posts:

I see a confusion between encryption and security. The truth is that while there are old or cheap & shoddy android phones, the encryption of a modern android has all of the capabilities of a modern iPhone (including hardware-backed secure credential storage). That's why I assumed you were referring to malware (hence the reference to curation of the app store), because they do have an advantage there. But that's easily separable from the OS, though you do need someone you trust more to manage it, and who has the resources to do a better job (not as easy as it sounds, especially because you need network effects to build it successfully: think how Microsoft failed with their phone OS, where part of that was a vicious circle between lack of apps and lack of users).

However I'm still not clear where the iPhone comes into this? Are you planning on using Apple hardware? If so Apple will fight you rather than cooperate. And once you hack it to replace everything then you aren't using their security any more anyway (in fact you've had to break their security to do this). So I'm going to forget the Apple aspect.

But then I don't see why you think Microsoft handling phone accounts will make them more secure than Google. Account hacks are not significantly due to a weakness of Google's systems, but weakness of the users: they use simple passwords, re-use passwords on different sites, divulge them to people, don't enable half of the existing security tools. And frankly Google accounts are a more attractive target than MS ones: there are more of them, a wider range of people have them, people keep a lot of valuable information on their phones. I really doubt that changing one corporation for another would make a lot of difference.

The merits you claim for a phone-PC binding all seem to be things you can do already if you want (and not all do). Don't forget how many people don't have a PC (or have but don't use Windows). To me the fact that android doesn't try to link itself to a computer platform is a merit, since it's essentially equally accessible whatever platform you use. But really this sounds to me like you personally have an investment in Microsoft's "ecosystem" and would like your phone to be better integrated into it - which is fine in itself, and some people like that sort of thing. But if it's as attractive as you think I wonder why MS weren't more successful.

But really the practical point here is who is going to run this project of yours? Not Apple: with them you do it their way or no way. Not Google, you seem clear on that. You could build your own Android from the AOSP (for specific phones that meet your requirements), but are you expecting MS to collaborate with your binding or do you reckon you can bake enough of their tools in yourself? Who is going to manage your app store linked to an MS account? Basically are you hoping to pitch this to MS or are you planning your own fork of Android with MS integration, and do you know what that would require? There are a range of alternative mobile OS projects out there, so you could do worse than study them to see how easy this is (try Sailfish, Graphene, and the history of the attempt to spin CyanogenMod into a commercial project, for examples).

Now this may be off-topic "chatter" to you, but let me just add that I do regret MS leaving the phone market. There were things about their phones that I liked, and they took a distinct approach. We're poorer for not having the option.
 
There are many things to consider and the previous point are based on fact. I also agree and think, Google continues to improve the Android platform.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.xd...oogle-pixel-huawei-xiaomi-samsung-others/amp/

I will also state, When a security exploit is discovered Google and it developers will address this issue with a security patch update.
Personal, I also have nothing to hide, however I also have nothing to prove. I that is so, give me your social security number, your mailing address , drivers license number, credit card number, bank account number, pin number ..... No? Well if you got nothing to hide? Of course not, Why? Because it is non of my business and it is your your personal privacy and your right to it.
However, It takes money to provide security updates and everything else that Google provides. Just the same as we wxpect to get payed for our work it is understandable that so do others an that includes Google.
 
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