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yes the headlines make it seem a bit devious but this is harmless... Im not sure if anyone has any beef with this at all.... most privacy rights groups have already come out in favor of it..... both sides of the political coin are throwing full support behind it...... any negative reporting will be simply for the sake of headlines

in a nutshell this is no different than what the corporate world has been doing for many years...... just on a private level now... and like the corporate versions its 100% optional

all they are doing is allowing individual people to have 'trusted certificates'.... if anything it will actually give individuals more privacy

take for instance if you want to open an Ebay account...... currently you have to provide a lot of personal information.... at the very least every detail from your drivers license.... with this new system in place Ebay can simply ask for your Official Internet ID #...... and they can trust that your info has already been verified

dont get me wrong... Im not suggesting the govt doesnt have some vested interest in getting people to identify themselves on the internet... but long and short they can already obtain all the info they want about you anyhow.... so this isnt really going to change much in that regard
 
Yeah man, them white skinned al-queda's gonna git ya. This is the only way to stop them. You need to be tracked for everything you do to make sure you aren't doing anything suspicious. No infringements what-so-ever. We should be wearing GPS tethers everywhere we go too.

/sarcasm

This just makes it that much easier and more centralized for a track and control grid.
 
Voluntary? This is something that is implemented at the ISP level.. I guess if you call subscribing to the internet "optional".. then again, everything else in life is optional too, even choosing to live or die. It's always hilarious how people justify tyranny. Don't like it, don't use the internet. Don't like all the cameras on the interstates and on every street corner, don't drive on roads. Don't like TSA agents fondling your junk, don't fly. Don't like the government warrantless wiretapping your phone, don't talk on the phone.
 
gallandof said:
Obama administration moves forward with unique internet ID for all Americans, Commerce Department to head system up -- Engadget


this doesnt sound good at all, anyone know more about it, since engadget isnt the best source for political stuff
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For quite some time now, I have wondered if a government issued "Internet ID" is a good idea. Then I read all the odd posts from mild to reasonable to completely nut-ball about how 'they' (feel free to define "them" or "they") are somehow looking for control and I take a step back and wonder. Then I consider that we already have one such number, our SSN.

My DL license is unique to me as is my Amateur Radio Call. So again, I seek guidance and ask why this is such a bad idea or perhaps what key information am I missing?

If we had a unique ID number for our Internet use, I am not so sure that is a bad idea. I can't begin to fathom how it will protect us because we hear about ID theft so apparently, we can't control who gets to see our various IDs like CC numbers or how they are used (misused) by those that seek to harm us.

Perhaps it should be like the Trusted Certificates someone else mentioned. Perhaps it should/could be mathematically derived from some combination of our SSN and DL license number and state ID. Seems to me the SSN and DL number can be mashed together to produce a unique number that is then used to generate our INet ID.

There is no reason to believe that "they" will protect our number. And if it is a number that is used all over the place, it is clear that within a few years, it will not really matter because it seems to be that not every site we visit will take care of our number.

I am not sure it will come to pass, however. It speaks loudly of Big Brother and even those that do not know who BB is, they think it is bad.

So gathered gang of mine, are you set in your opinion of this (possibly) Internet ID number or do a few of you think it might not be such a bad idea without further discussion? Reasons pro and con.

Bob Maxey
 
copestag said:
yes the headlines make it seem a bit devious but this is harmless... Im not sure if anyone has any beef with this at all.... most privacy rights groups have already come out in favor of it..... both sides of the political coin are throwing full support behind it...... any negative reporting will be simply for the sake of headlines

in a nutshell this is no different than what the corporate world has been doing for many years...... just on a private level now... and like the corporate versions its 100% optional

all they are doing is allowing individual people to have 'trusted certificates'.... if anything it will actually give individuals more privacy

take for instance if you want to open an Ebay account...... currently you have to provide a lot of personal information.... at the very least every detail from your drivers license.... with this new system in place Ebay can simply ask for your Official Internet ID #...... and they can trust that your info has already been verified

dont get me wrong... Im not suggesting the govt doesnt have some vested interest in getting people to identify themselves on the internet... but long and short they can already obtain all the info they want about you anyhow.... so this isnt really going to change much in that regard
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Very sensible response.

Bob Maxey
 
Bob Maxey said:
Very sensible response.

Bob Maxey
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Is bob feeling ok? shortest post I have ever seen him write :eek:.


Many people jump to conclusions before thinking about it. Many things gives each person a unique number to track what they do. The military uses your SSN it track what you do in the military. While I was in working the flight line. I had a unique number to sign off forms or write things up in the forms including my sig.

Dont cookies track what you do on the net anyways?
 
copestag said:
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take for instance if you want to open an Ebay account...... currently you have to provide a lot of personal information.... at the very least every detail from your drivers license.... with this new system in place Ebay can simply ask for your Official Internet ID #...... and they can trust that your info has already been verified...
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Can they trust that?

Currently, the information you provide is from a number of different, independent sources - multiple confirmation of identity.
As soon as you have "single gold standard of identity" then there is an irresistible temptation to hack it, because once you have that faked, everyone will believe it.
"Computer says 'Yes', so it must be OK".

You already have this problem across the pond with your reliance on the SSN as a primary identifier.

Look at what the banks are trying to do as far as online ID is concerned - I would be far more inclined to trust a bank (where just money is involved), than a government, where power comes into the equation as well...
 
The problem with any government issued ID is that there is always a "back door" that the Government will have to the info. Its often shown in "spy thriller" movies but it is definitely not fiction that you can be tracked in relatively quick order these days, when the powers that be feel so moved to do so.

I'm one that views it from the historical perspective: The leaders that abuse the power they've acquired are rarely the ones that passed the law obtaining the power in the first place. A great current example is Homeland Security. A completely unnecessary (and so far, in my opinion, worthless) branch of bureaucracy that was started under GWB, and has expanded even more under BHO. The expansion of Federal powers and contraction of basic Civil rights has been under way for a long time, but 9/11 and the Patriot Act gave our leaders the golden opportunity they needed to wrap it all up in the veil of "patriotism" and "for the greater good". Last time I checked, we're no more secure today than we were on September 10th. But we have fewer personal freedoms than we did before.
 
Dark Jedi said:
Is bob feeling ok? shortest post I have ever seen him write :eek:.


Many people jump to conclusions before thinking about it. Many things gives each person a unique number to track what they do. The military uses your SSN it track what you do in the military. While I was in working the flight line. I had a unique number to sign off forms or write things up in the forms including my sig.

Dont cookies track what you do on the net anyways?
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OK
 
LaTuFu said:
The problem with any government issued ID is that there is always a "back door" that the Government will have to the info. Its often shown in "spy thriller" movies but it is definitely not fiction that you can be tracked in relatively quick order these days, when the powers that be feel so moved to do so.

I'm one that views it from the historical perspective: The leaders that abuse the power they've acquired are rarely the ones that passed the law obtaining the power in the first place. A great current example is Homeland Security. A completely unnecessary (and so far, in my opinion, worthless) branch of bureaucracy that was started under GWB, and has expanded even more under BHO. The expansion of Federal powers and contraction of basic Civil rights has been under way for a long time, but 9/11 and the Patriot Act gave our leaders the golden opportunity they needed to wrap it all up in the veil of "patriotism" and "for the greater good". Last time I checked, we're no more secure today than we were on September 10th. But we have fewer personal freedoms than we did before.
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Yeah but maybe the people should think before screaming protect us, make us feel safe to the gov. We all know how long it takes them g to remove a law.
 
When I went in they just did away with the alert birds. But pulled many of a nuclear generation. My last base was Barksdale.
 
Coming from an AFWL SETA civilian, here's the thing on internet tracking - that's going to require a database. In fact - as we've learned from our SSN escapades (for those of us who were taught in the office, never, under any circumstances give out your SSN for identification purposes) these things have a way of growing.

So - isn't it interesting that Larry Ellison, the man behind database powerhouse Oracle, Inc. has been pushing for that for years.

What do we know about how Larry runs his company?

Larry Ellison hires HP's ex-CEO Mark Hurd as an Oracle president ? Tech Products & Geek News | Geek.com

And play the fun video at the bottom - Larry says everyone else must fail.

True - after a time, it was reported that Larry wanted to give the software to the government, free of charge. Except any admin will tell you, Oracle makes its dough on maintenance and update costs.

More on this concept:

EFF: National ID: A Solution in Search of a Problem.

5 Problems with National ID Cards | American Civil Liberties Union

Sample of Larry Ellison's new National ID Card

Oh - what does Larry say? Why, his system can replace your SSN:

The Oracle of National ID Cards

Those who forget history are destined to repeat it.

And what's that smell? Why, it's rat.
 
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