I have gone to several different websites to check out the phone specs and I believe most or all of them say it has 2 gigs of internal storage. However, I have seen quite a few reviews state that it only has 1 gig (which is still plenty more than my Optimus V). I just want a definitive answer before I pick up this phone in a couple of weeks.
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Internal storage: 1 gig or 2 gigs?
- Thread starter WC Jerome
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I'll add that mine says that I have 1.09 GiB total internal
It seems like every time I do a Google search for 'motorola triumph internal storage', it almost always shows '2 gigs'. I'm assuming that most of those reviewers that realize that the SD card storage is separate from the internal phone storage. Even Motorola is advertising '2 gigs'.
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...s/Mobile-Phones/ci.MOTOROLA-TRIUMPH-US-EN.alt
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...s/Mobile-Phones/ci.MOTOROLA-TRIUMPH-US-EN.alt
Seems like the design allows for 2GB onboard, but the carrier gets to defeature it downwards as in the case of virgin mobile.
from the link...
MEMORY9
up 2 GB on board, 2 GB microSD pre-installed
9. Available user memory varies due to the configuration of the phone, which varies by service provider.
from the link...
MEMORY9
up 2 GB on board, 2 GB microSD pre-installed
9. Available user memory varies due to the configuration of the phone, which varies by service provider.
That is incorrect. The total space on the Op V is 178 megs.
MacFett
Android Expert
http://androidforums.com/lg-optimus-s/224734-optimus-memory-512mb.html#post1928819
It has 512, that is shared with the ROM, preloaded apps et al. There is 178megs available for the user, hence my saying, "178megs is available user memory."
OK, but what what I'm trying to say is that they are advertising the MotoTri as having 2 gigs (not 1 gig) of 'available user memory' (internal storage), just like they advertise 178 megs for the Op V. I'm not talking about the ROM (read-only memory).
MacFett
Android Expert
I have never seen the Triumph advertised as 2gigs of available user memory. Only as 2gigs total internal memory. It has 1+ gig of available user memory.
cutterjohn
Android Enthusiast
Ever feel like you're beating your head against a brick wall? If so, I concur and so do I...
Yep 2GB internal storage, of which the user is ONLY able to use 0.98GB of, which is already ~5X better than the OV for me as I stated LONG ago...
Ok, if that's the case, when have you ever seen the Op V advertised as having 178 megs of available user memory (internal storage)?! 178 is the TOTAL space. I can definitely vouch for that!!
MacFett
Android Expert
So when you first got your Optimus V how much free space did you have to install apps? I'd guess about 60megs.
Yes, yes I do.
I stated 1+gb because I was thinking you had said it was 1.09gb. I stand corrected, I knew it was right around a gig though.
No, it may have been somewhere around 90-100 megs and that's about it.
cutterjohn
Android Enthusiast
Checking my factory reset OV(wishing that I hadn't done that now since I'm keeping it as a backup...), and I can plainly see:
Available space: 159MB
Which is actually kind of odd as I could've sworn that I remember seeing c. 170MB when I first checked OOB...
MacFett
Android Expert
172 was what I remember having. Haven't done a factory reset, although I have contemplated doing so now, that I know Android better.
smackguy1950
Newbie
Ok. The thing is it says 2GB because that is what the SD card is. Duh! The internal phone 'storage memory' is 1GB which is like an internal SD card. The internal 'RAM' or memory used for programs to run is '349MB' according to Go Launcher EX. Just saying.
stef7
Android Expert
*Possibly - I can put this uncertainty to rest*
The specs I've seen on numerous sites have been consistently: 512MB RAM, 2GB ROM internal memory (and independent of the microSD slot card size for external memory).
When I run Android Status downloaded from the market,
I see for RAM stats:
349MB RAM Total,
217MB Used,
132MB Free
I see for ROM stats:
1.09 Total,
764MB Free
I believe the OS is taking up the diff between the 512MB and 2048MB speced values and 349MB / 1.09GB Total values.
Sanity check: with respect to the 2GB spec value and my phone showing me 1.09 Total (remember this is I proposed, after the OS has taken it's share), if the phone only had 1GB, that would be 1024MB. 1024MB = 1.024GB right?
Note that 1.09 > 1.024, i.e. the phone has to have more than 1GB ROM (non-volatile) internal memory!
And yes, Android Status is clearly showing I have almost 4GB remaining free on an 8GB uSD card, so I'm not confusing figures.
On the issue the mis-use of ROM to refer to phone non-volatile memory:
I do not think ROM is a good way to refer to the internal memory. If it were truly read-only memory, we'd never be able to download programs from the market to it. Programs have to go to either the internal non-volatile memory, or external SD card FLASH memory, because the programs have to be persistent, even if we turn off power to the phone and remove the battery. Downloading programs to RAM (random access memory) would only be workable if there was ALWAYS power applied to that memory. So - it doesn't go there.
It would probably be inappropriate to refer to it as EEPROM (electrically eraseable read-only memory) because that implies a technology that I don't think is even in the phone (although there may be some on the microprocessor inside the device, I don't know).
Instead, we should probably refer to the non-volatile memory internal to the phone as FLASH memory. I believe the industry refers to it as ROM, but that's simply erroneous
The specs I've seen on numerous sites have been consistently: 512MB RAM, 2GB ROM internal memory (and independent of the microSD slot card size for external memory).
When I run Android Status downloaded from the market,
I see for RAM stats:
349MB RAM Total,
217MB Used,
132MB Free
I see for ROM stats:
1.09 Total,
764MB Free
I believe the OS is taking up the diff between the 512MB and 2048MB speced values and 349MB / 1.09GB Total values.
Sanity check: with respect to the 2GB spec value and my phone showing me 1.09 Total (remember this is I proposed, after the OS has taken it's share), if the phone only had 1GB, that would be 1024MB. 1024MB = 1.024GB right?
Note that 1.09 > 1.024, i.e. the phone has to have more than 1GB ROM (non-volatile) internal memory!
And yes, Android Status is clearly showing I have almost 4GB remaining free on an 8GB uSD card, so I'm not confusing figures.
On the issue the mis-use of ROM to refer to phone non-volatile memory:
I do not think ROM is a good way to refer to the internal memory. If it were truly read-only memory, we'd never be able to download programs from the market to it. Programs have to go to either the internal non-volatile memory, or external SD card FLASH memory, because the programs have to be persistent, even if we turn off power to the phone and remove the battery. Downloading programs to RAM (random access memory) would only be workable if there was ALWAYS power applied to that memory. So - it doesn't go there.
It would probably be inappropriate to refer to it as EEPROM (electrically eraseable read-only memory) because that implies a technology that I don't think is even in the phone (although there may be some on the microprocessor inside the device, I don't know).
Instead, we should probably refer to the non-volatile memory internal to the phone as FLASH memory. I believe the industry refers to it as ROM, but that's simply erroneous
commonmanqqq
Lurker
I find it discomforting that neither VM or Moto wades in to provide the "definitive" answer to this straight forward question. After all it is very important to all users of their phone. Class action suits have been brought against (and won) hard drive vendors to make them tell us exactly how much storage we are actually getting. Is this what it is going to take for us to learn the true capacities of our phones?
b_randon14
Android Expert
Guys its really simple. On the ov you had a /data parition (which on android phones is the area where your apps go and is "available to the user" because it is read/write mounted at boot normally) But what most people don't realize if you have a /system paritiion that is usually larger than the /data paritiion (not sure of exact size on the ov but it's probably more than 200mb) then you all have a /cache partition that is usually close to 100 mb. In totaly on the ROM chip, the ov has around 512 mb but on roughly 178 mb(It's actually larger but on a fesh wipe of data and after all files are rebuilt that has to be, you are left with 178mb) is on the data partition. Plus there are other partitions that hold the kernel image as well as the radio information and other stuff like that.
On the triumph you have a /data parition that is almost 1gb(1023.93 mb) but on a fresh stock install only about .98 gb is available once all the files are rebuilt(dalvik-cache, files the system stores in data, etc.) So there is roughly 1gb available to the user. However the total space on the ROM is much more than that. There is a /cache partition that is 183.69 mb, the /system partition(where the system files are stored at) is 227.78 mb, there is also a /hidden partition that is roughly 20mb and a /hidden/data paritition that is 44.22 mb. These are where the .iso for the usb drivers and all the vm added apps and settings, wallpapers, and bootanimations are stored. This is still only about 1.5 gb but if you have linux, and you are in bootloader mode, you can hook it up and view the entire ROM chip on the phone in the disk manager, and see that there are many more partitions on the phone including a vfat parition located at /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 on the phone that holds the splash.img, recovery.img and bootloader information. There are also many more partitions that hold kernel images, radio(cell radio) files, and other files that you cannot access. In total the whole ROM chip has about 2 gb of space, however only around 1gb is on the /data partition which is considered to be "available to the user"
**EDIT** and stef7, the RAM(Random access memory) is not configured in these values. The RAM is roughly 512 with only 349mb available to the user. The rest is reserved for the kernel, the vm, the cell radio, gps, camera recording, etc.
Everyone needs to do some research on how android phones are setup lol!
On the triumph you have a /data parition that is almost 1gb(1023.93 mb) but on a fresh stock install only about .98 gb is available once all the files are rebuilt(dalvik-cache, files the system stores in data, etc.) So there is roughly 1gb available to the user. However the total space on the ROM is much more than that. There is a /cache partition that is 183.69 mb, the /system partition(where the system files are stored at) is 227.78 mb, there is also a /hidden partition that is roughly 20mb and a /hidden/data paritition that is 44.22 mb. These are where the .iso for the usb drivers and all the vm added apps and settings, wallpapers, and bootanimations are stored. This is still only about 1.5 gb but if you have linux, and you are in bootloader mode, you can hook it up and view the entire ROM chip on the phone in the disk manager, and see that there are many more partitions on the phone including a vfat parition located at /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 on the phone that holds the splash.img, recovery.img and bootloader information. There are also many more partitions that hold kernel images, radio(cell radio) files, and other files that you cannot access. In total the whole ROM chip has about 2 gb of space, however only around 1gb is on the /data partition which is considered to be "available to the user"
**EDIT** and stef7, the RAM(Random access memory) is not configured in these values. The RAM is roughly 512 with only 349mb available to the user. The rest is reserved for the kernel, the vm, the cell radio, gps, camera recording, etc.
Everyone needs to do some research on how android phones are setup lol!