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Keeping my Droid X to support US Jobs

It's easy buy products that support jobs in the USA.

Dare I say it, Apple is a great example. Apple has 49,400 employees in the USA and guess what hardly anything they sell hardware wise is manufactured in the USA.

Even our most trivial products are MADE out of country. You want to support jobs in the US? Find something that we manufacture here and buy that. The people who build the product are just as important as the people who just sit in nice offices all day.
 
Even our most trivial products are MADE out of country. You want to support jobs in the US? Find something that we manufacture here and buy that. The people who build the product are just as important as the people who just sit in nice offices all day.

Why can't we do both? :confused:
 
If our higher education sucks so bad, then why are all the best and brightest foreign students coming to American Universities.
Simple you ever try to get in to a Japanese University? Thats why they come over here its easier to get in to our schools than their schools.
 
In a way, he is helping Moto. And, consequentiality, US employees. Word of mouth advertisement can be a powerful force. Maybe someone is now more likely to buy a Moto phone.
 
But what about supporting american workers that works for a foreign company but builds the item in the usa? Example is honda my accord is built in the usa by american workers.
 
I see the point of the OP, it has become a moral issue. This is coming from someone whose ACCOUNTING job has just been outsourced to India. And this by the top education company in the US 2.6B sales and over 500M operating income. Better days will come I guess... But something has to get done about this outsourcing problem.

And what might that be?

Do we pass laws that make it illegal? Do we tax and fine corporations that outsource? I suppose we can make it too expensive to remain in business and so we increase the problem by adding more folks to the unemployment line.

So what exactly do you think we should do?

Perhaps we go after foreign corporations, too. After all, they make products we buy by the millions. Perhaps a nice tariff or two to punish them? Then what? Trade wars are terrible and if we punish "them" they do the same thing and costs go up.

I remember when Harley-Davidson asked the government for tariffs/trade relief against Japanese manufacturers of big bikes. They got their way and eventually asked those tariffs to be removed because HD stepped up and found out how to make better bikes, faster and cheaper.

By the way, I suspect that many fine old-line American corporations would have outsourced from the beginning if it were practical to do so. Just a guess.

What about parts? Do we tell manufacturers that to avoid fines and higher taxes they must not outsource their parts? HD uses American speedometers but the parts they are made from are not likely made here. How far do we go?

We need to remove the barriers to manufacturing things here. We need to make more stuff here and I know we can do it because I worked for four corporations that made millions of products. We did it faster, cheaper, and better than those in China.

If I currently make Widgets for $12.00 in the USA but I can have them make in China for $2.00, one might say I am greedy for reducing my CPU to ten bucks, thereby adding more to my bottom line.

Do we make rules that say I can't make more money if it costs American jobs?

Let me let you in on a big secret: manufacturers do not manufacturer things to give people jobs. They do it to make money and sorry to be blunt, but employees are simply part of the manufacturing process. Find a cool machine to make products better and faster and for less cost and jobs go away. OR in our case, we designed a cool machine that actually reduced the number of products sent to packaging and increased jobs because of the need to fix products made with our blessed machine.

This is a problem that can largely be solved with a renewed pride in this country that is more than capable of making things better, faster and quite likely, for a reasonable cost. We need to make it easy to make things here.

We can built TVs here but Plasmas might be a problem due to environmental laws and pollution issues. Another part of the problem is laws that are useless and they also cost us jobs.

Any suggestions?

Bob
 
Why can't we do both? :confused:

Because the company can save a quick buck by having the manufacturing done in Mexico? That's the real problem. They want to save as much money as possible to line their pockets so they outsource to some other country.
 
Because the company can save a quick buck by having the manufacturing done in Mexico? That's the real problem. They want to save as much money as possible to line their pockets so they outsource to some other country.

No one wins when a company can't survive and ceases operation.

Making money is not the problem, fact is if all companies made money our economy would be thriving!

So in your opinion if we can't have manufacturing jobs here in this country we should just throw out the baby with the bath water? I can't agree as manufacturing is a small part of the process today, the real risk is the investment that companies make in R&D and we need companies to stay in this country and continue to contribute to our economy coming up with the next best thing. The last thing we want to do is encourage companies to leave, believe me they'll take everything out not just manufacturing and then what will we have left?

When companies are successful we all thrive, making money is not evil and when they thrive thousands of Americans benefit.

We'll just have to agree to disagree and hope people start spending money where it counts otherwise this country is doomed in 20 years IMHO and were going to be a 3rd world country.
 
But what about supporting american workers that works for a foreign company but builds the item in the usa? Example is honda my accord is built in the usa by american workers.

I think that is fine, I have a Nissan Maxima that was built in TN.

I also have a Porsche Cayman that was actually built in Finland not even in Germany... LOL

However my salesman benefited and I'm sure the owner of the dealership did also. And every time I go into the dealership for service the technician benefits, etc.

So it's not all doom and gloom just trying to direct my money (when it makes sense) to American companies if they interest me.
 
I think that is fine, I have a Nissan Maxima that was built in TN.

I also have a Porsche Cayman that was actually built in Finland not even in Germany... LOL

However my salesman benefited and I'm sure the owner of the dealership did also. And every time I go into the dealership for service the technician benefits, etc.

So it's not all doom and gloom just trying to direct my money (when it makes sense) to American companies if they interest me.

What is the difference between outsourcing to save money and adding a piece of production equipment to eliminate workers and save money? Lost jobs are lost jobs.

What we need is a massive "Buy American" program and a total rewrite of those laws that make outsourcing profitable compared to domestic production. That is to say, eliminate barriers that force much of the production overseas.

We can't do anything about greed, however. All we can do is support Americans that build high quality products whenever we can. I could go on and on about what we make here that has no equal, but that is just opinion and what is good for me might not be good as far as others are concerned.

For me, many times the minutia really does matter.

Either that, or fine and tax American manufacturers to death and force them to use American labor and components. Not a good idea.

When we change people's views and they start to buy American, you either make your products here or you could suffer.

I purchase American products if I can, but it is hard to do sometimes. I look for features, the item's cost, and other factors.

At least the best banjos are still made here, that's something. Ditto cowboy boots and (for the most part) Harley-Davidson.

Bob
 
What is the difference between outsourcing to save money and adding a piece of production equipment to eliminate workers and save money? Lost jobs are lost jobs.
To some extent I agree. One large problem is that these jobs often are being outsourced to people in much worse conditions than would be legal here in the states. At the very least I think this to be a huge moral dilemma. But yes, lost US jobs are still lost US jobs no matter how you look at it. That I completely agree with.
What we need is a massive "Buy American" program and a total rewrite of those laws that make outsourcing profitable compared to domestic production. That is to say, eliminate barriers that force much of the production overseas.
This is more or less what I was trying to get across many posts earlier. We need incentive to buy American. The best incentive seems to be cost. You do mention quality, but I think we had a rash of American cars in the 90s that were just built terribly. A legacy like that is hard to overcome.
 
So in your opinion if we can't have manufacturing jobs here in this country we should just throw out the baby with the bath water? I can't agree as manufacturing is a small part of the process today
This is a very small portion of the problem. Just from personal experience, a good majority of tech support jobs are routed overseas... either that or all of these companies are only paying American citizens that barely speak English. Certainly it isn't limited to this. Lots of tech based jobs are being sent overseas as well. Frankly, anything that can perceivabley be done "just as well" in a land where companies aren't required to pay as much as they would here is probably fair game.
 
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