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[MATURE][GAME] DogWars - OFFICIAL HELP GUIDE

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BiggestManEver said:
I don't get the uproar. Killing dogs is not worse than killing humans, and there are about a billion games where you kill humans.
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The uproar is the countless dogs are starved, beaten, isolated and tortured daily for dog fighting. The upraor is that dogs are brought up to fight and if they fail, they get murdered in the most creative of ways. Why not integrate that into the game? Choose the way you kill your dog.. what are the options? Well, they get electrocuted, drug by trucks, strangled, shot, beaten, drowned in buckets of water, or just good ol' fashioned throw them against the pavement until they stop moving. Should be some awesome graphics there, right? After all, it's just a game. I wonder if they'll add going to people's houses and stealing their dogs for bait dogs... OO will they even let you wrap the duct tape around the dogs mouth and tie em up so they can't fight back? Sweet. Or the drugs that block their fear and pain?

The uproar is because countless dogs are being put to sleep because of people that think things like this are okay. Ever heard of Breed Specific Legislation? Ever heard of how millions of pit bulls that have never shown an ounce of aggression are being put to sleep because of the reputation they have? A reputation of being inherently violent and aggressive... a reputation responsible pit bull owners like myself fight every day to falsify while people go out and download games that encourage, glorify and promote the same things that ruin the breed and their reputation. Numerous counties have outlawed pitbulls, and many more are jumping on the band wagon. When you look around you and there's not a single pitbull left, be happy, you'll still have your game.
 
skizm said:
The uproar is the countless dogs are starved, beaten, isolated and tortured daily for dog fighting. The upraor is that dogs are brought up to fight and if they fail, they get murdered in the most creative of ways. Why not integrate that into the game? Choose the way you kill your dog.. what are the options? Well, they get electrocuted, drug by trucks, strangled, shot, beaten, drowned in buckets of water, or just good ol' fashioned throw them against the pavement until they stop moving. Should be some awesome graphics there, right? After all, it's just a game. I wonder if they'll add going to people's houses and stealing their dogs for bait dogs... OO will they even let you wrap the duct tape around the dogs mouth and tie em up so they can't fight back? Sweet. Or the drugs that block their fear and pain?

The uproar is because countless dogs are being put to sleep because of people that think things like this are okay. Ever heard of Breed Specific Legislation? Ever heard of how millions of pit bulls that have never shown an ounce of aggression are being put to sleep because of the reputation they have? A reputation of being inherently violent and aggressive... a reputation responsible pit bull owners like myself fight every day to falsify while people go out and download games that encourage, glorify and promote the same things that ruin the breed and their reputation. Numerous counties have outlawed pitbulls, and many more are jumping on the band wagon. When you look around you and there's not a single pitbull left, be happy, you'll still have your game.
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I registered just to say damn well said....

I understand the enjoyable game mechanic but stick to some other subject guys. I play practically every violent game on the consoles and I'm a perfectly functioning member of society so I'm definitely not saying this game will make you go out and start dog fighting but there needs to be a message sent out to society that this is completely abhorrent.

The argument about games where you kill humans is a good point but not good enough, the way I see it is in the same way its a very different thing to murder a 30 something adult to murdering a young child. Or a soldier killing another soldier on a battlefield to an elderly citizen being stabbed on the street in a city centre. I think you'd struggle to find people who would agree they were of the same level of immorality and wrong-doing. To bring an animal into the world and nurture it into a mindset of violence and killing is a deeper kind of evil.

I think to develop a game in which you can run around a city (in mostly ghetto areas, which is significant) and kill civilians is cynical but to develop a game like this isn't just cynical, its sadistic and potentially glorification.

I'm sure I won't change your minds but for the OP to be on the defensive before anyone even replied says a lot...
 
I'm not agreeing with the game in the least-I wouldn't download it or play it-I'm asking this from a purely curious standpoint and not agreeing on one side or the other. Would it be different then if it were a game that involved raising humans to attack and kill each other in the same scenario? I agree dogs are a lot more helpless/dependable than humans, I own one and I love it fearlessly. To the poster that mentioned babies. I remember playing...I think it was Quake 3? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it had flying baby demons attacking you. I thought it was disturbing, but I don't remember there being much uproar about it. I'm not defending the game, I'm just wondering where there line is drawn and why and how. It just seems very subjective.
 
The line is this, Is killing a human illegal.....YES...if you do it will you be prsocuted to the full extent of the law....YES......Is Murder a higher priority for our courts and police then dog fighting....YES.....Are people more likely to participate in Dog Fighting then murder.......YES.......Is it easier to participate in Dog Fighting then killing a human......YES......Is it easier to hide a Dog Fighting Ring then a murder......YES......So is it more likely that people who play this game will go out and actually get a dog and participate in fighting it then those who play games of human violence against another human..............YES!!!
 
Shouldn't killing a human be of a higher priority than killing an animal? I don't agree with killing an animal, even hunting for sport, but I would still risk my life for a human over an animal.

"So is it more likely that people who play this game will go out and actually get a dog and participate in fighting it then those who play games of human violence against another human..............YES!!!"

I think that is jumping to unproven conclusions. Whether I agree or not with them, it is still not fair.
 
Reported the game in Android Market, I suggest everyone else to do the same. This is just sick, why would you ever do a game about abusing helpless animals? You wouldn't do a game about killing babies? Yeah, this is a video game but some where goes the line you shouldn't cross.
 
i just want to say anyone who plays this game is sick in the head.....you will say....what is the big deal, its only a game.
The big deal is that countless dogs are starved, beaten, isolated and tortured daily for dog fighting. The big deal is that dogs are brought up to fight and if they fail, they get murdered in the most creative of ways. Why not integrate that into the game? Choose the way you kill your dog.. what are the options? Well, they get electrocuted, drug by trucks, strangled, shot, beaten, drowned in buckets of water, or just good ol' fashioned throw them against the pavement until they stop moving. Should be some awesome graphics there, right? After all, it's just a game. I wonder if they'll add going to people's houses and stealing their dogs for bait dogs... OO will they even let you wrap the duct tape around the dogs mouth and tie em up so they can't fight back? Sweet. Or the drugs that block their fear and pain?

The big deal is because countless dogs are being put to sleep because of people that think things like this are okay. Ever heard of Breed Specific Legislation? Ever heard of how millions of pit bulls that have never shown an ounce of aggression are being put to sleep because of the reputation they have? A reputation of being inherently violent and aggressive... a reputation responsible pit bull owners like myself fight every day to falsify while people go out and download games that encourage, glorify and promote the same things that ruin the breed and their reputation. Numerous counties have outlawed pitbulls, and many more are jumping on the band wagon. When you look around you and there's not a single pitbull left, be happy, you'll still have your game.
 
I am a bit baffled but I guess I understand all the negative attention. Dog fighting is still legal in many parts of the world. Here in the states it is illegal. Grand Theft Auto is illegal everywhere. Grand Theft Auto is a widely popular game though and one of the reasons for its success is because you can kill whatever you want, wherever, or you can just choose to do missions.

We have Pokemon where you capture, train, and then fight your pets against other people, never having humans fight.

We have this thing in real life called MMA and boxing where you take somebody and train them to be ruthless human beings in the ring and their objective is to beat the hell out of the other guy. This is legal.

In hungry shark you can eat humans.

Smoke a Bowl, Weed Farmer, Roll a Joint, Garden of Weeden, Nose Candy, all illegal activities in more places than Dog Fighting is illegal in.

Ant Smasher? Why can we kill ants virtually who did nothing to us?

I understand why it isn't alright to do something in real life, but this is just a game. Street Fighter is a popular game, but do you see kids walking around in little to nothing and doing full screen spin kicks and shooting fire out of their hands? There was a little sarcasm mixed in there but you get the point.

What about Halo where you can kill other people? Grand Theft Auto where you kill other people? Mortal Kombat? You can kill many different types of pets in World of Warcraft and over 10 million people pay to play that, has that lead to more animal killings?

This is no worse than games where you can kill tons of humans at one time. Dynasty Warriors for example. Should we be banning any and all games on the Market that in real life would be doing something illegal, aka killing other people?
 
When you are in a fight. Do you just press attack? or do you press it repeatedly or pull like when you bite?
I train, feed my dog raw meat, buy steroids and I am still losing. What am I doing wrong?

Also I bought the cycle of steroids and have not been able to use them. It say Qty 60 and never decreases. Do I have to do something to get them to start working?
 
I personally think that it should stay. It's only a game, users should understand that there is a difference between a game and real life. Just because you play GTA doesn't mean you'll start abusing drugs, driving over prostitutes or firing at random people.

I played "violent" games when I was younger and I turned out alright, did I? ;)
 
I agree with y'all, it's just a game. I remember playing Drug Wars on my graphic calculator in high school. I'm not a drug dealer. I played Tekken on the Playstation, and I'm not a Japanese fighter. I played Twisted Metal, and I don't run my ice cream truck into other cars and shoot at them with missile launchers. I haven't played Dog Wars, but if I did, I can say with some degree of certainty that I would not turn into Michael Vick.
 
Gonna merge this with the existing debate/discussion we have about this particular app.
 
sevenstars said:
Thanks for the merge of the threads. I did look for a similar thread (briefy) and didn't see one. Otherwise, I would've posted there:)
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No problem.:)

I believe the OP is actually the dev for the app, so if you have any concerns about it, you can reach him directly
 
Love the game. Couple of things on my sprint HTC hero force close after bite training also in fight it refreshes everytime I pick fight to and I end up fighting a dog I have no chance against. Thanks over all the game is great.
 
sevenstars said:
Yep, I'll say it- it's only a game. A sick game, but a game nevertheless. I know very well the realities of what goes on in dog fighting rings, but this is a game - and not a very good one. Much like when "25-to-Life" was released for the xbox several years ago. A lot of people brought attention to it - which boosted sales. Hell, I bought a copy just to see what the big deal was. There was none (actually, most of the bad press there was because you could shoot the police in the game; apparently, most of the people who were ranting about it have never seen another modern video game - ever - because if they did, those same people would have gone nuts if they'd seen GTA). 25 to Life sucked in every aspect and was no where near as brutal as, say, GTA or Call of Duty, but it sold because people brought attention to it. I downloaded "Dog Wars" last night to see what the big deal is. There isn't. I played around with it for a few minutes, decided it wasn't really my thing, and uninstalled it. I've helped out at rescue shelters in the past, and every animal I ever owned I rescued MYSELF and I understand why you're taken aback, but Breed Specific Legislation has absolutely nothing to do with this game. In addition, I hardly think that this silly game is going to bring about the end of a breed or get people into real dog fighting no more than playing Call of Duty is going to cause people to buy explosives and automatic rifles and kill people en masse. If video games influenced people that much, we all would have been dead before the 1990's. Is Dog Wars in bad taste? Yes. But in that context, there are a LOT worse things to do in video games. Detonating a nuclear weapon in a virtual city and killing every virtual person for many virtual miles, for example.
Please don't think that I am insulting or attacking you, because I'm not. I'm simply saying 'let's keep things in perspective here'. Yes, the game is in poor taste, but in that line of thinking, so are over 80% of modern video games.
For the record, my next door neighbor has one of the biggest pit bulls I've ever seen, and he is an absolute sweetheart and loves to play with the neghborhood kids. The worst thing I think he ever did was slobber all over me. In my area, at least, the "pit bull stigma" has been gone for years thanks to a massive ad campaign to educate the...'uninformed' that almost any dog will be a vicious killer if they're raised to be.
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Good post, you're absolutely right.

As usual, the controversy is being stirred up by people who don't understand the games market, and are concerned about gamers being unable to differentiate between fantasy violence and the real thing, which is ironic seeing as the overwhelming majority of gamers have his point grasped a lot more firmly than the 'ban this game' crowd do.

The developers are going to be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
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