Michael Savage: Don't trust feds on flu shot

[Bob Maxey]

Do yourself a favor and get the shot annually to prevent the worse case scenario. More and more people are dying from not getting the shot and having no protection. I haven't had the flu in 20 years or more, just those mild symptoms I mentioned is all.

Or be like me, a man who to his knowledge never had anything to do with flu shots since 1973 or so. Never had the flu, just the occasional cold every three or five years.

Not everyone needs a flu shot.

 

[ElasticNinja]

That claim applies to both sides, pro- and anti-flushot.

There is no logical anti-flushot grouping though, therein lies the problem. Anti-flu shot people are of the EUSSR Illuminati ranting malarky.

 

[ElasticNinja]

2 other points:
This was mostly in Europe: They allow an additive or something that the US doesn't.
The Checkup - Why flu vaccine may cause narcolepsy

The other would be that drug company that put out the tainted steroids. How do we know which companies are on the up and up?

A friend of mine got narcolepsy from the Swine Flu jab. Given the potential mortality rates predicted at the time, seems like a mild risk that made sense to be taken.

 

[Speed Daemon]

I dunno. I might dispute that. Depends on your definition of life I guess.

My definition is the same definition that's commonly accepted by the scientific community: function, reproduction, some kind of movement.

A blob of DNA or RNA that is totally unable to do anything, not even metabolize, without a host to provide all of the living components simply doesn't meet the definition of a living organism. It's a neat trick, but it ain't alive.

 

[A.Nonymous]

My definition is the same definition that's commonly accepted by the scientific community: function, reproduction, some kind of movement.

A blob of DNA or RNA that is totally unable to do anything, not even metabolize, without a host to provide all of the living components simply doesn't meet the definition of a living organism. It's a neat trick, but it ain't alive.

A virus would fill all of those categories. It has a function, it reproduces and moves on its own. To argue that it needs a host to survive is kind of silly if you ask me. Many organisms need hosts to survive. By that definition a bacterium is not a live either.

 

[ElasticNinja]

A virus would fill all of those categories. It has a function, it reproduces and moves on its own. To argue that it needs a host to survive is kind of silly if you ask me. Many organisms need hosts to survive. By that definition a bacterium is not a live either.

There is a definition of life:

Excretion, movement, growth, reproduction, reaction, some other things I forget.

Bacteria and viruses do not fulfil these.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I think you can make a much stronger argument for bacteria than viruses in this regard.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I think you can make a much stronger argument for bacteria than viruses in this regard.

Yeah one certainly can, I would like to discuss it further but my biology knowledge is not what it once was.

 

[Speed Daemon]

A virus would fill all of those categories. It has a function, it reproduces and moves on its own. To argue that it needs a host to survive is kind of silly if you ask me. Many organisms need hosts to survive. By that definition a bacterium is not a live either.

I have better things to do, so I'll wrap this up by saying that everyone who has at least taken and passes a biology course knows what I'm talking about. You don't, and that's not my problem. This isn't a topic that you can "win" by incessant arguing.

The fact remains that the Influenza vaccine does not contain any living organisms.

Getting a flu shot is a good idea for everyone. Even someone who hasn't been sick a day in their life can be a carrier for disease that can be lethal to the young, old and infirm. I'm all for freedom of choice, but I will never understand what motivates people to be so selfish and self-serving that they will go to such extremes to avoid doing the Right Thing.

 

[copestag]

I guess I may as well jump in with my 2 cents on the vaccine

first let me say I think if someone wants to get vaccinated...... go for it....in 'most' cases it may be beneficial to you

I think those high risk candidates..... such as the elderly...... can certainly benefit from a little extra protection

for the overwhelming majority of people just practicing simple precautionary steps keeps you just as safe

just a few numbers from the CDC site for those wondering.... since I seen some discussion about the guesswork involved

number of flu shots given annually in the US: 45%-50% of population

number of flu cases annually in the US: 5%-20% of population

number of times the 3 virus types selected for use in vaccine was a total mismatch: 4 of last 22 seasons...... thats 80% accurracy..... those 4 seasons the vaccine provided little to no protection at all against the flu....... 4 out of 5 is great for dentists recommending gum... I wouldnt call that guesswork spectacular for life saving however

efficacy of the vaccine against the flu: the vaccine is about 65% effective at preventing or reducing the symptoms of the flu

those were just a few numbers I found interesting with a cursory glance at the CDC website....... they dont necessarily prove anything one way or the other..... just found them interesting.... and informative

my personal opinion...... and its simply that... my opinion....... a healthy individual who doesnt have any high risk behaviour and practices good hygiene and precautionary steps has no greater risk of contracting the flu either with or without the vaccine

however.... a person who has an elevated risk of contracting the flu could certainly see some reduced risk by getting the vaccine

being a healthy individual who is somewhat of a germophobe and takes great steps to avoid contamination..... I personally have never gotten the flu (knock on wood).... Ive never gotten a vaccine...... and I dont plan to get a vaccine until such time as my risks are elevated..... perhaps when I become part of the 'elderly' lol

I just dont see a reason for me to get vaccinated given the statistics

almost left out a part...... I also believe given the statistics..... that if a person is at high risk for contracting the flu...... the risks of side effects are minimal enough to be far outweighed by the possible prevention of death or serious illness (although according the CDC and VAERS data there are definitively known serious side effects at minimal levels)... that getting a vaccine is warranted

 

[jefboyardee]

Flu shot doing poor job of protecting older people

 

[Speed Daemon]

Yesterday it was reported on the major news channels that this year's flu vaccine has proved to be less effective than normal. That's a shame. Unfortunately because of the time it takes to produce the vaccine, doctors must make an educated guess about what they think will be the most threatening strains six months plus in the future. It's a far-from-perfect system, but it's still vastly better than just letting a preventable disease kill people without even trying to do anything about it.

I hope that a major breakthrough comes that will make the whole process a lot better one day. Preferably sooner than later. That will only come if we invest in the process though. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater just because a small number of people who are as determined as they are wrong would be a giant step back to the Dark Ages.

 

[jefboyardee]

CDC: Rare ‘Superbug’ Emerging in US

The Centers for Disease Control is warning doctors that an untreatable multidrug-resistant “superbug” is emerging in the United States.

The infections are associated with mortality rates of 40 to 50 percent.