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Misadventures in uefi, linux and windows 8

ajdroidx

Android Expert
The last couple 24 hours has totally driven me away from Windows.

A while back I picked up an Asus laptop, a little 11" touchscreen windows 8 loaded PC. Main reason? I planned on running linux on it. At first I was doing this by changing the virus that is uefi and booting into a live linux (mint 14) iso from a thumb drive.

For the most part, it did okay, I mostly just surfed the web when I did not want to pull the MBP out or it was charging or I needed a bit more space on my table.

After installing mint 15 on my sisters laptop (acer) on an unused HDD I had laying around, I decided to go ahead pull the HDD out of my little laptop, replace it with an SSD from my dead desktop (I ended up wiping the whole drive doing this!).

Before doing this however, I decided to try windows out. Being as I only booted windows up less then 6 times and the last time I did was about 6 months ago, I needed updates, 83 of them.

I installed them, they failed, a number of reboots, logins and other junk later. Finally got things installed, got chrome, started to poke around, disabled the dumb login screen. I checked in the store and learned I could upgrade to 8.1 for free.

So I download it. It gets most of the way and fails. I click on it and it said downloading updates :confused:

What ever.

I download the mint 15 iso, update the software pendrive I think and put the new iso on the thumb drive that I previously used. After it finished, I rebooted into the uefi and chaned things to boot from the thumb drive and a few moments later I am running a live iso of linux.

Shutdown, pull the stock hard drive, dismantle the SSD. Yes, you read that right. I took the case off the SSD so it would fit in the bay, pulled the insolation strip out and fit everything together. Snap the case back on (you should know know those who tinker with their computer hardware usually don't have screws on their device...:D)

Boot back into the live linux iso, check to see if the drive is there and it is. So I unmount and click to install and sit back.

A couple minutes later its installed to the SSD, I reboot, pull the thumb drive and am greeted with the uefi screen. Linux will not boot from the SSD. Well, uefi will not let me boot from the SSD with linux.

There goes all the programs I had on that drive for NOTHING!

Now, I knew what I was doing. I knew this disk was going to be formatted and I was going to lose everything, but for nothing!? Because of uefi!? What a load.

:(:mad:

So, power down, off with the cover again, in with the stock HDD, out with the stripped SSD and me saying the hell with it for now, I will just update windows 8.1 and try to use windows.

This is when it really started rubbing me wrong. Windows wanted me to log in for some stupid reason, I was using firefox. updates would not work. Finally I just shut the thing off and decided to just boot the linux iso thumb drive so I could just surf.

Change the uefi settings again, reboot the little window for linux pops up, I click run linux and nothing.

I wait a few and do the same.

I close the machine up irritated with windows 8, the most useless OS ever. Why does this OS even exist!? The last few days I spent with this machine and windows 8 has caused me to rethink that PC I was thinking about building.

I hope motherboards withOUT uefi can be found. As I see it both uefi and windows 8 is a virus. Seems you cannot run one without the other.

My windows 8 experience has been horrible thus far. As far as I am concerned, Microsoft just pushed me more into the Apple ecosystem.

Maybe I can get my old windows 7 to run on a new machine.

Sorry all, just needed to vent. M$ needs to go back to the drawing board. I may try to pick up my windows 8 paperweight later on and see if it will update but right now, I really don't care. I hope at least I can get the linux iso to boot.
 
Thanks for sharing, aj. Sounds like a lot of fun. NOT!

A little while back, there was some great discussion and help in this thread, especially starting with joelgp83's post (#8 in that thread). He posted a ton of info on installing Linux on a box with UEFI. You might want to check it out if you haven't already.
 
Silly me. There was one more step I needed to do to get the ISO to boot. Needed to disable secure boot.

Major work around but it's fine for now.
 
A bit more info...
poking around and it seems that windows is not 100% at fault here, but rather the hardware vendor, in this case, Asus.

perhaps they need to drop that U... Add an E and another S...

Anyway, still need to do some digging. Now, I am not sure if I want to build that new desktop, was thinking dual boot Linux windows 8.

I will TRY to use this laptop, if nothing else, as an experiment.
 
May have found a solution:
Linux Mint 15 Release Notes - Linux Mint

EFI support
If your system is using secureBoot, turn it off.

If you installed Linux Mint in Virtualbox in EFI mode and it cannot boot post-install, type "exit", choose "Boot Maintenance Manager", "Boot from file" and select EFI/linuxmint/grubx64.efi.

Post-installation, the EFI boot file is located in /boot/efi/EFI/linuxmint/grubx64.efi. If your system is unable to find this file, copy it to /boot/efi/boot/bootx64.efi (alternatively you can write "fs0:\EFI\linuxmint\grubx64.efi" into a /boot/efi/startup.nsh file).

But maybe I will just leave the thing be.
 
I got a lot of good information and help through the rEFInd project.

Win 8 still insists on loading every once in a while, but I think that has something to do with updates... not really sure. But when this happens on my Toshiba, I have to hold down the shift button, hit Restart, and then I can tell Win to allow rEFInd to start and I am back in business.

I actually do have to boot into Windows about once a month or so, but I spend as little time there as possible. I have avoided installing 8.1, though I am sure I will have eventually relent.

... probably around the time they start pushing 8.2 :rolleyes:
 
Thankfully I haven't run into any of these issues just YET. I have an older laptop with basic bios so it works great for single booting into Linux (OpenSuse 12.3)

Thanks for the good read and info picked up here :)
 
Snap the case back on (you should know know those who tinker with their computer hardware usually don't have screws on their device...:D)
Computers come with cases? DANG! You learn something new here every day. Next thing you'll tell us that the screws aren't just there as glitter in the plastic bag.

Asus.

perhaps they need to drop that U... Add an E and another S...
Bought a desktop of theirs once. One of the first with a bunch of SATA connectors. They still had one IDE connector on the MB, but the included drives, one magnetic and one optical, were SATA. I had recently bought a beautiful CD/DVD/BR R/W drive, and wanted to add it as the second optical drive (plenty of empty bays), but it was IDE. So I plugged into the IDE connector, set as drive 0 ("master") and a straight cable.

Boot to the BIOS screen and 2 drives, 1 magnetic, 1 optical, both SATA. HUH? It wasn't like I couldn't still read the BIOS in the old IBM DOS manual (I'm talking about the assembly listing), so no, I didn't set the thing as a flying saucer or something.

Called AS**S tech support. (Or was that hernia support?) Got called back by a "real tech" who knew all about that stuff. (Luckily I spent a while in Hong Kong, so the Taiwanese-accented English didn't give me too much trouble.

This lady would have been only too happy to assist me but, you see, the case wasn't supposed to be opened by the customer.

I figured it out after I got off the phone with her, fully convinced that moroncide wasn't illegal. See, once we all converted to SATA, AS**S had all these IDE connectors lying around, taking up needed space, and they had to find something to do with them - so they installed one into each new SATA computer. Not to actually DO anything, just to get rid of them without paying a carting fee.

Darned clever, these Taiwanese.
 
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