My thoughts on the economy,agree/disagree?

[Speed Daemon]

This man gets it. I'd say, remove marriage from government entirely and stop letting it be an issue to distract the public with. Let the people and churches decide for themselves who to or not to marry, and stop discriminating against single people or people without kids via taxation.

Amen to that!!!

Overpopulation has been one of the leading contributors to many of the world's ills. The efficacy of breeding more of "our kind" for political gain has been over for a very long time. So why are our governments (Communist China excepted) still encouraging this practice, and all the detriments that it brings?

 

[ElasticNinja]

Amen to that!!!

Overpopulation has been one of the leading contributors to many of the world's ills. The efficacy of breeding more of "our kind" for political gain has been over for a very long time. So why are our governments (Communist China excepted) still encouraging this practice, and all the detriments that it brings?

Overpopulation doesn't mean that we should make it difficult to have kids. Europe's population is set to peak then decline back to 500 million over the next few decades. Barring the admittance of Turkey or unforeseen immigration we are heading for a problem.

 

[SiempreTuna]

Wow!

Where to start?

I find it hard to believe that anyone with Greenspan's knowledge, experience and resources could have sabotaged the US economy by accident.

I'm afraid you have this one completely the wrong way around: the mistake Greenspan made was not raising interest rates EARLIER. He has his reasons for this - an earlier potential crash that this action helped avert - but he maintained the policy too long which led to the economy overheating and crashing. A pattern that has been recognised and documented in economics since at least the 16th century.

Let the people and churches decide for themselves who to or not to marry

How the heck did this discussion get onto same sex marriage?! What's that got to do with economics?

I agree that people should decide: marriage is a civil institution. Churches should have no say in marriage laws. Even Luther, the guy who nailed his note to the church door and started protestantism agreed with that.

Churches are merely venues licensed to carry it weddings. As such, they should either perform the ceremony for everyone who is legally entitled to marry or marry no-one at all.

Bigotry is bigotry, no matter how you choose to read your selection of religious texts.

the same time you chose not to be an alligator

you dont choose natural order........ you choose to deviate from it

Let me get this right: you're saying that since homosexuality is natural (have to agree with that: it's common across the animal kingdom) you think homophobes are deviants?

I think that's putting it a little strongly ..

Here's the thing about same sex marriage: if you don't agree with it, don't marry someone who's the same sex as you.

That's all it has to do with you.

Who other people choose to marry is absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

 

[Member243850]

I Object Bruizers and Bruizettes!

Because money doesn't even exist!

 

[unnamedny]

Our economy is fine. As long as US dollar is main currency on our planet and we have the biggest and strongest army, we have nothing to worry about.
If you think there are no jobs you are under skilled or just lazy person (I know there are exceptions, but I'm talking about general public), there are plenty of jobs out there. If there are none in your area, it's time to move out of the hole you live in.

My thought about next financial crisis:
I think it's going to happen fairly soon and it's going to be caused by over production of things. How many products can you make and sell. World is getting flooded with TV's, furniture, other electronics, etc.. If something is going to trigger us (and other countries of cause), to stop buying all that, we are screwed again.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Our economy is fine. As long as US dollar is main currency on our planet and we have the biggest and strongest army, we have nothing to worry about

I don't know about that.

If you think there are no jobs you are under skilled or just lazy person (I know there are exceptions, but I'm talking about general public), there are plenty of jobs out there. If there are none in your area, it's time to move out of the hole you live in.

The way the economy is at the moment, people will be unemployed. Can't blame them.

My thought about next financial crisis:
I think it's going to happen fairly soon and it's going to be caused by over production of things. How many products can you make and sell. World is getting flooded with TV's, furniture, other electronics, etc.. If something is going to trigger us (and other countries of cause), to stop buying all that, we are screwed again.

I do somewhat agree with this. There is still scarcity, and there must be better distribution of income (in the US at least), however personal consumption cannot keep increasing. Personally I think an environmental investment program is need to reduce emissions and reverse damage.

 

[unnamedny]

I don't know about that.

The way the economy is at the moment, people will be unemployed. Can't blame them.



I do somewhat agree with this. There is still scarcity, and there must be better distribution of income (in the US at least), however personal consumption cannot keep increasing. Personally I think an environmental investment program is need to reduce emissions and reverse damage.

Our economy is in much better shape than it was in 2008. The reason I'm saying that its fine is because compairing it to many european countries and many other we are going much better job slowly improving it.

Ok let me fix myself. We have jobs, the issues is underemployment. We live in fast era and some jobs are being outdated very fast. That's why there are people who graduate from college and struggling to find jobs.
There are jobs because we have 11+ million of illegal immigrants and most of them have lived here for more than 10 years. If we have so many jobs for so many people without SS's and employment authorizations, there are many better jobs available for people with much wider range of legal job selection. With all honesty some illegals have better quality of life than some Americans.

 

[32blownhemi]

The reason our country is going in the toilet is because of who won the last election! Tax, tax, tax, Spend, spend, spend, that's all the liberals know how to do. 17 Trillion in debt & that jerks out of control reckless spending goes on & on. Food stamps, free housing, Obamacare & so on. A family of 10 Illegal aliens sneaks into OUR country, has a kid here & ALL the free-bee's are their's. But Obama wants them here for the votes. He just got through raising taxes on everyone who makes over $450 G's a year. These are the small businesses who employ 98% of our small business employees. That's why businesses won't hire & expand. Obamacare is now even being questioned by the Liberals who were for it at first. Hopefully it'll be repealed. Unemployment (the real G 6 figure) is out of control. Jobs are scarce because of Obama's taxes & rules & regulations on businesses. We have more minimum wage jobs but fewer skilled jobs. His environmental policies, excessive rules & regulations are killing business. The Keystone Pipeline would employ thousands of union workers & bring millions into local economies but he turned it down. Not to mention what it would do to lesson our dependence on foreign oil. BUT, sooner or later one of his illegal stunts is going to catch up to him. Fast & Furious, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the Associated Press scandal. Obama & Holder deserve to be impeached at the very least. His foreign policy stinks. Shunning Israel while standing up for Islamic countries. The rest of the world laughs at us thanks to him. OMG, I just read a comment below; Quote; "there needs to be better distribution of money"??? THAT'S Socialism/Communism! Move to China or Cuba if you want that! Remember what Margret Thatcher said; "The problem with Socialism is what do you do when you run out of other peoples money"... nite ; )

 

[Bob Maxey]

If you think there are no jobs you are under skilled or just lazy person (I know there are exceptions, but I'm talking about general public), there are plenty of jobs out there. If there are none in your area, it's time to move out of the hole you live in.

I can turn you on to any number of high pay jobs, but you better have skills. Soldering positions are available, for example, but in several cases, you must be IPC Certified or go away.

I know of a welding position that opened and ever applicant either could not weld or they thought the job was soldering. Several people thought the company would teach them to weld.

In other cases, people dress like bums. They arrive late or they have spotty history. employers look at the person, their history, your references and in some cases, your Google activity, posts, Facebook and the like.

I will suggest that in a group of 100 applicants, after talking with each briefly, I can tell you exactly who will not be hired.

Business owners are seeking value for their dollar. Training budgets are being cut and you darn well be ready to hit the job running.

Oddly enough, some local concerns have learned to to more with fewer people. I have seen lines cut in half produce more product with fewer defects.

 

[ElasticNinja]

The reason our country is going in the toilet is because of who won the last election! Tax, tax, tax, Spend, spend, spend, that's all the liberals know how to do.

Taxing and spending is generally a good policy.

Unemployment (the real G 6 figure) is out of control. Jobs are scarce because of Obama's taxes & rules & regulations on businesses.

Isn't unemployment like 8%? Haha. Jobs are scare because the global economy is in the shitter.

His foreign policy stinks. Shunning Israel while standing up for Islamic countries. The rest of the world laughs at us thanks to him.

The US supports Israel before far more worthy countries such as Indonesia.

I like Israel as much as the next guy (Their Eurovision failure this year was so sad, I wanted to vote for them), but you know, the whole illegal occupation and exploitation thing.

What's wrong with standing up for countries with large Muslim populations? Not that I see Obama doing it that often.

 

[trackball]

Isn't unemployment like 8%? Haha. Jobs are scare because the global economy is in the shitter.

He was talking about U6 unemployment. I understand that economists generally look at U6 unemployment as a more accurate measure of the health of the economy since it factors in people who don't work as much as they want (Plus U5 which is marginally attached and U4 which is discouraged workers).

The April '13 figure for U6 was 13.4% (the "official" U3 number was 7.1%) according to BLS. Many employers are moving towards part-time workers to avoid the added costs of employing full-time workers like healthcare and retirement.

 

[TJGoSurf]

On my phone so I'm not reading through everyone's replies past OP. This is what I've noticed. When I was in high school, 96-00, I had a job that paid $10/hr. My brother recently moved to Colorado to live with me. Most of his job offers were paying just slightly above minimum wage. He finally took one that pays $12/hr. You would think in 13 years pay would have increased.

Also to add the opinion of a friend, he's a professor teaching economics at a local university, the reason the stock market is doing so well while it seems like nothing is improving because the Fed is loaning money to banks and the banks instead out lending out the money to consumers is placing it in safe investments for themselves.

 

[ElasticNinja]

On my phone so I'm not reading through everyone's replies past OP. This is what I've noticed. When I was in high school, 96-00, I had a job that paid $10/hr. My brother recently moved to Colorado to live with me. Most of his job offers were paying just slightly above minimum wage. He finally took one that pays $12/hr. You would think in 13 years pay would have increased.

Indeed, the US has a huge problem with regards to people in lower social strata failing to see any earning increases.

Also to add the opinion of a friend, he's a professor teaching economics at a local university, the reason the stock market is doing so well while it seems like nothing is improving because the Fed is loaning money to banks and the banks instead out lending out the money to consumers is placing it in safe investments for themselves.

Sounds accurate to me.

 

[copestag]

On my phone so I'm not reading through everyone's replies past OP. This is what I've noticed. When I was in high school, 96-00, I had a job that paid $10/hr. My brother recently moved to Colorado to live with me. Most of his job offers were paying just slightly above minimum wage. He finally took one that pays $12/hr. You would think in 13 years pay would have increased.

sounds to me like in 13 years pay increased by 20%.... thats fairly hefty......

not sure what the problem is here

 

[TJGoSurf]

sounds to me like in 13 years pay increased by 20%.... thats fairly hefty......

not sure what the problem is here

Right. Maybe you missed the part where most of his offers were barely above minimum wage? I think his pay is extremely low considering what he does. Maybe if he was a fry cook I could understand offering him barely above minimum wage but being a roughneck should give a little more pay.

 

[copestag]

most of bill gates offers would be minimum wage as well......... thats the majority of jobs out there...... in ANY economic status

he of course opted to be a kajillionaire instead

and your brother opted for $12/hour instead of minimum wage as well... is he now in high school like you were when you worked for $10/hour? does he have a higher degree? does he have a horrible work history? you really didnt give us much to go on as a comparison

your comparison relies on false premises to begin with....... what you made 13 years ago vs what he (who is not you) makes today isnt really apples to apples is it?

so we must pretend it is and use it as a comparison..... in which case all things being equal..... the job income has improved by 20%...... thats huge over a 13 year period

just out of curiosity....... does your professor friend make minimum wage?

 

[El Presidente]

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[I luv trolling]

Well I'm not one to keep tabs on political affairs, Often it feels like the US government is a time bomb waiting to set off. If I see that no successful measures to "defuse the bomb" take place, ill be on the first plane to Switzerland .

 

[Bob Maxey]

Well I'm not one to keep tabs on political affairs, Often it feels like the US government is a time bomb waiting to set off. If I see that no successful measures to "defuse the bomb" take place, ill be on the first plane to Switzerland .

Make sure you want to live there permanently. It will be the biggest decision you will ever make. Bit I saw the smiley so I know you are perhaps not serious. .

It is a lovely place with no state religion and a fairly stable economy. Things are changing, however. Now the Swiss report possible tax cheats to our IRS.

Not sure, but I think there is a Swiss tax. So if you move there, give up U.S citsenship or you might (might because I am not an expert here) be paying taxes to the country yo no longer love.

I would never leave the United states unless something really, REALLY bad happened. I still have faith that things will improve because the historical record tells me so. and eventually, people will tire of the Washington BS and come to their proper mindset.

http://www.swissworld.org/en/faq/living_in_switzerland/

"The rules on immigration are very strict. Your nationality is important: citizens of the 15 pre-2004 EU member states and of EFTA countries face fewer restrictions than citizens from the rest of the world.

It is almost impossible for non-EU nationals to find work in Switzerland: they need to be highly qualified and able to perform a job that no Swiss person can do. Without a job arranged in advance, you cannot take up residence."

Good Luck and send me chocolate and a new watch.

 

[OutofDate1980]

The US has a planned economy, its just planned by those which have a very specific agenda.

Robert Reich (Why Republicans Want Jobs to Stay Anemic)

"First, high unemployment keeps wages down. Workers who are worried about losing their jobs settle for whatever they can get