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Older iDevices to BANNED from the US within 60 Days!

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SiempreTuna

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It appears that Samsung have had a big win at the ITC re a patent relating to CDMA coding/decoding which will mean some iPhones (4 and older) and iPads being banned from the US within 60 days.

I thought that patents relating to standards were excluded from this kind of nonsense .. :confused:

I'd love to think this would persuade Apple to maybe look for negotiated settlements for these issues (I have no issue with them protecting genuine IP), but I'm guessing that's not going to be their reaction .. :rolleyes:
 
Revenge is sweet.

Although I'm not entirely read up on the events of the case and court proceedings I'm generally happy with the outcome. Shame it'll only impact the older generations though; apple were probably close to stopping the imports soon anyhow.
 
Sooner or later, Apple is going to stop production of their older devices once they launch a newer device. So I guess this would not affect them much. Anyway, well done Samsung!
 
tastycaramel said:
Sooner or later, Apple is going to stop production of their older devices once they launch a newer device. So I guess this would not affect them much. Anyway, well done Samsung!
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Not entirely sure about that: so far, Apple has been using their older devices as their way into the lower end of the market: unless and until they produce a specific low-end iPhone (rumoured every year), I think this would hurt them.

I'm also not too sure how I feel about a victory for Samsung: Apple is a horrible, exploitative company, but Samsung is every bit as bad. It's kinda like the WWII fight between Hitler and Stalin: you really want them both to lose, but at least Stalin was on the side of the allies :D
 
SiempreTuna said:
Not entirely sure about that: so far, Apple has been using their older devices as their way into the lower end of the market: unless and until they produce a specific low-end iPhone (rumoured every year), I think this would hurt them.

I'm also not too sure how I feel about a victory for Samsung: Apple is a horrible, exploitative company, but Samsung is every bit as bad. It's kinda like the WWII fight between Hitler and Stalin: you really want them both to lose, but at least Stalin was on the side of the allies :D
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True. It is just who you wish to support. Every company has something bad about them.
 
That will only be major resellers. You would probably be able to get them on Craigslist or flea markets. The only drawback is the price will jump. Some will be dumb enough to pay the higher price, too.
 
zuben el genub said:
That will only be major resellers. You would probably be able to get them on Craigslist or flea markets. The only drawback is the price will jump. Some will be dumb enough to pay the higher price, too.
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Don't forget about second-hand shops.
 
With this ban, would you be able to order them online? I am just curious...
 
The only winners are the laywers. The ban covers really old devices. Maybe if it is the iPhone 5 or latest iPad, it would actually mean something significant to Samsung and Apple.
 
Stuntman said:
The only winners are the laywers. The ban covers really old devices. Maybe if it is the iPhone 5 or latest iPad, it would actually mean something significant to Samsung and Apple.
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That's exactly why going after product bans is pointless. The cell phone market moves so fast that by the time all of the legal dust settles the companies have made their money selling the phone and its no longer the main money maker.
 
banning old devices may not have much of an effect.

but does it not come with a financial penalty too? similar to the billion dollar ticket to Sammy. Will they not send something of the same to Apple?
 
It may seem significant to Apple now. But in future, when they release more iPhones, I don't think this even matters to them.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Still a long ways to a ban from here. Not going to happen; rather, the effects will be minimal.
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I agree - I really don't see it coming into force. The US ban Apple products? Not going to happen.

rich2626 said:
Does anyone actually still buy/want old iphones??
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Apparently, they still sell pretty well - I don't think anyone would call $3.4 beeeellion in the last quarter chicken feed (the story's not clear, but I'm guessing that's global revenue, not US).

I know people who have recently bought old iPhones - a friend got one for €1 (+contract) in Belgium, traditionally one of the most expensive markets for phones anywhere in Europe - if you want try a telephone time warp, check out the phones people carry in Belgium: I have friends who still use Nokia 6320s.
 
SiempreTuna said:
I agree - I really don't see it coming into force. The US ban Apple products? Not going to happen.



Apparently, they still sell pretty well - I don't think anyone would call $3.4 beeeellion in the last quarter chicken feed (the story's not clear, but I'm guessing that's global revenue, not US).

I know people who have recently bought old iPhones - a friend got one for
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SiempreTuna said:
Actually, for tax purposes, it's Ireland and Singapore ;)
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For the Singapore part, I totally agree. Every Apple product here is really very costly simply because of the amount of Apple fanboys here. They are willing to pay for it despite its high cost and you can get a better phone at that cost.
 
tastycaramel said:
For the Singapore part, I totally agree. Every Apple product here is really very costly simply because of the amount of Apple fanboys here. They are willing to pay for it despite its high cost and you can get a better phone at that cost.
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The Singapore thing I was referring to is that many Apple imports to the US are funelled through Singapore where additional 'costs' are added that mean Apple can declare very small profits on the sales in the US.

The Ireland part is that they funnel the bulk of their corporate profits there to avoid corporation tax. I read yesterday that it's estimated that Apple in Ireland is sitting on around $100 billion dollars in cash.

This, in turn is why Apple had to borrow to fund their recent dividend payment: the US operation does not the cash - coz it's in Ireland - but they would have had to pay tax on any cash they brought in from Ireland to fund the dividend so it was cheaper to just borrow the money.

Note that it's not just Apple: Google and many other companies do exactly the same sort of thing. And it's all legal: isn't bribery - sorry lobbying - wonderful ..?
 
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