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President Ryan

OutofDate1980 said:
Not ridiculous at all, since S&P did just that; "the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues"

This is a working direct link to the S&P release: S&P | United States of America Long-Term Rating Lowered To 'AA+' Due To Political Risks, Rising Debt Burden; Outlook Negative | Americas

The Republican political brinkmanship over raising the debt ceiling was a direct cause of the downgrade. Part of the solution, just let the tax cuts expire.

BREAKING: S & P Downgrades U.S. Credit For First Time In History, Repeatedly Cites GOP Intransigence On Taxes | ThinkProgress

"In explaining their decision Standard & Poor
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A.Nonymous said:
... It's the fault of both parties. Both parties used the debt ceiling for political purposes. Both of them. The Dems claimed we needed tax hikes. The Republicans claimed we needed budget cuts. Neither would budge. Both sides are 100% responsible. Both sides turned it into a political football.
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BS. Hey, there's this thing called the internet, so revisionist history won't work. The Republicans attempted to force a default with the debt ceiling.

United States debt-ceiling crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"According to the Treasury, "failing to increase the debt limit would . . . cause the government to default on its legal obligations
 
OutofDate1980 said:
BS. Hey, there's this thing called the internet, so revisionist history won't work. The Republicans attempted to force a default with the debt ceiling.
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thanks for upgrading from slight chance to absolutely ******ed......... youre halfway correct........ revisionist history wont work........... and thats why what he said is 100% accurate

they clearly defined the reason why they downgraded........ if anything it leaned more toward the fact that the democrats were playing hardball and the republicans were counter measuring......... democrats had the power.... republicans could do little more than abstain

but in the end as stated by previous posts........ the blame lies squarely on both parties......... the debt didnt happen over night (although despite budget gimmicks 1/4+ falls directly on the current administration)

both parties refused to budge on their principles........ you cant simply blame the minority for failing to roll over to the majority

I guess you could go back to your old standby.... Bush is responsible for the downgrade

blame blame blame........ exactly when do you expect anything to be your responsibility
 
Paul Ryan has proven himself to be a Waffle Iron Politician. Seems with all his critiquing of Obama's policies and the stimulus bail outs he sure did not pass up a chance to get some of that money for his constituents .
Busted: Paul Ryan Asked For Stimulus Funds - YouTube

Then when he gets called on it he twists the truth and tries to blame his constituents.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Ryan is elected to get money for his constituents. That's his job. Or at least part of it.
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No, if he wanted to get money for his people he should have tried out for his state's Parliament. Federal representatives should concern themselves with federal things. The state's executive can pursue federal money if they wish.
Localism is a pile of shite. Sure, he voted for x piece of legislation that let banks run wild, and y piece that cut healthcare funding, but, he fixed the road!
 
PH8AL said:
Paul Ryan has proven himself to be a Waffle Iron Politician. Seems with all his critiquing of Obama's policies and the stimulus bail outs he sure did not pass up a chance to get some of that money for his constituents .
Busted: Paul Ryan Asked For Stimulus Funds - YouTube

Then when he gets called on it he twists the truth and tries to blame his constituents.
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Look Ryan was practicing for his Lying Man Marathon and his constituents took over while he was out.:rolleyes:
 
ElasticNinja said:
No, if he wanted to get money for his people he should have tried out for his state's Parliament. Federal representatives should concern themselves with federal things. The state's executive can pursue federal money if they wish.
Localism is a pile of shite. Sure, he voted for x piece of legislation that let banks run wild, and y piece that cut healthcare funding, but, he fixed the road!
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That's not how the system works in the US. Congressmen and Senators are elected to bring federal projects back to their state. The state legislature and the state governor have very little pull on federal funds. There are Senators who have been in Congress since time immemorial primarily because they have enough senority and influence to bring the big projects back home.

Recently a bomber wing that was stationed at a local air force base got moved elsewhere. There were all kinds of businesses in the area that served the people who worked on that wing so it had a negative impact on our economy. It was a huge campaign issue and one of the local Congressmen nearly lost his job over it. He probably would've if the other party could've found a decent candidate to run. People commented that if the previous guy (who had been there 30 years) had been in office that it never would've happened.
 
A.Nonymous said:
That's not how the system works in the US. Congressmen and Senators are elected to bring federal projects back to their state. The state legislature and the state governor have very little pull on federal funds. There are Senators who have been in Congress since time immemorial primarily because they have enough senority and influence to bring the big projects back home.

Recently a bomber wing that was stationed at a local air force base got moved elsewhere. There were all kinds of businesses in the area that served the people who worked on that wing so it had a negative impact on our economy. It was a huge campaign issue and one of the local Congressmen nearly lost his job over it. He probably would've if the other party could've found a decent candidate to run. People commented that if the previous guy (who had been there 30 years) had been in office that it never would've happened.
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The glorious founding father's did no design the system to function that way. It happens everywhere to different degrees but its not how it should be.
 
I'm not saying the founded the system to function that way. I'm saying that is how it actually functions. If there is a big government contract and it goes to the state next door instead of to your state there is a Senator or a Congressman who will be called on to the carpet by the voters for it. If Ryan is using his position to bring money to his constituents I'm not going to fault him for it. That's what they elected him to do. You may think that's not the way it's supposed to be and that's fine. But that's still the job his constituents elected him to do.
 
A.Nonymous said:
I'm not saying the founded the system to function that way. I'm saying that is how it actually functions. If there is a big government contract and it goes to the state next door instead of to your state there is a Senator or a Congressman who will be called on to the carpet by the voters for it. If Ryan is using his position to bring money to his constituents I'm not going to fault him for it. That's what they elected him to do. You may think that's not the way it's supposed to be and that's fine. But that's still the job his constituents elected him to do.
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Lying Ryan is just your typical prostitute.

Paul Ryan: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Representative 2012 | OpenSecrets
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Lying Ryan is just your typical prostitute.

Paul Ryan: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Representative 2012 | OpenSecrets
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Oh Noes!!! Big businesses also support Obama.

Barack Obama: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Senator 2008 | OpenSecrets

Interesting to see Goldman Sachs listed in the top 5 for both Obama and Romney. Yet Romney is criticized for this and no one mentions it about Obama. Also, why are universities donating so heavily to a political campaign? What's up with that?
 
Last I checked Harvard was a private university. Also, last I checked the feds don't have the authority to enforce a particular curriculum on any school. States do, but the feds don't.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Last I checked Harvard was a private university. Also, last I checked the feds don't have the authority to enforce a particular curriculum on any school. States do, but the feds don't.
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Well, Romney/Ryan want to make deep cuts in Pell grants and the student loan program, as well as cutting financial support to education in general, so its no wonder universities would support the other side. Self preservation.
 
A.Nonymous said:
That's not how the system works in the US. Congressmen and Senators are elected to bring federal projects back to their state. The state legislature and the state governor have very little pull on federal funds. There are Senators who have been in Congress since time immemorial primarily because they have enough senority and influence to bring the big projects back home.

Recently a bomber wing that was stationed at a local air force base got moved elsewhere. There were all kinds of businesses in the area that served the people who worked on that wing so it had a negative impact on our economy. It was a huge campaign issue and one of the local Congressmen nearly lost his job over it. He probably would've if the other party could've found a decent candidate to run. People commented that if the previous guy (who had been there 30 years) had been in office that it never would've happened.
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Not how it was ever supposed to work. That is the system under Federalism and is a money grubbing scam.

Also He didn't have to touch that money. State of South Carolina lost a lot of Fed funding for refusing the money Obama said they had to take. Right or wrong you have to give them a lot more credit than Ryan for standing their ground.
 
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