Bob Maxey
Android Expert
So the only way to change clock speed and handle different charging schemes is with a ROM change?
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Rooted Android vs jailbroken iPhone
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So the only way to change clock speed and handle different charging schemes is with a ROM change?
9to5cynic
Android Expert
Well, kinda. With the latest update, there are no sbc kernels, which allow the charging. And if you are on a stock sense rom, then the stock kernel doesn't allow for overclocking (I think you can still underclock though). To change that, you'd just need to flash a new kernel.
The older sense roms (from FroYo) had boat loads of kernels, and for some reason they haven't been able to work out the SBC charging on the newer ones.
Now, that is only my know how regarding the evo.
The older sense roms (from FroYo) had boat loads of kernels, and for some reason they haven't been able to work out the SBC charging on the newer ones.
Now, that is only my know how regarding the evo.
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I'm also interested in hearing more about what others have to say on this topic. So, I'm moving this discussion over to the Android Lounge.
The only real difference that I've seen is the ROM/Kernel change thing, because source codes are available.
On my Evo 3D, I have parts of other HTC device software ported onto my phone. So the Beats audio that you see in the Rezound and Sensation XE are on my device. I don't know if Siri is portable to jailbroken iPhone 4/3GSs, but I think that would be the only comparison.
As for custom kernels and ROMs, there is more benefit than that. Some kernels are built more for power efficiency with undervolting/underclocking, some are built for better performance and allow for greater overclocking. Some improve wifi/GPS performance of the hardware. A lot of ROMs seek to add features. But it depends largely on the device and the dev for that device.
But I don't think it's fair to try to compare Android rooting to iPhone jailbreaking. There are just too many variables in Android rooting to consider that no direct comparison can be made. I mean, look at the varying responses in this thread. There is no unified answer for what Android rooting is that isn't overly simplistic. Each device is different in it's root style.
On my Evo 3D, I have parts of other HTC device software ported onto my phone. So the Beats audio that you see in the Rezound and Sensation XE are on my device. I don't know if Siri is portable to jailbroken iPhone 4/3GSs, but I think that would be the only comparison.
As for custom kernels and ROMs, there is more benefit than that. Some kernels are built more for power efficiency with undervolting/underclocking, some are built for better performance and allow for greater overclocking. Some improve wifi/GPS performance of the hardware. A lot of ROMs seek to add features. But it depends largely on the device and the dev for that device.
But I don't think it's fair to try to compare Android rooting to iPhone jailbreaking. There are just too many variables in Android rooting to consider that no direct comparison can be made. I mean, look at the varying responses in this thread. There is no unified answer for what Android rooting is that isn't overly simplistic. Each device is different in it's root style.
i have custom ROMs on my evo to try out.. even ones that totally change everything. basic andy.. sense... CM9.. Miui..
I can change Launchers to give me a new UI interface..
i can change kernels.... to give me different performance..
being that android is open source and code will be made available to the public.. this gives devs more access to add, delete, change, and create more.
to my knowledge (which is only based on what I have read)... IOS does not give you these options and anything similar.
I just switched over from the Iphone and i always jailbroke my iphones and i jailbrokes probably 3 dozen other i devices for other people. A jailbroken iphone is mainly just to install random tasking apps and change the UI. A non rooted droid will do 99% of what a jailbroken iphone will do. All my friends have iphones and are all surprised that i switched to droid because they all knew that i was always messing with my iphone and i knew more about them than anyone else they knew did. I tell them that i was tired of rejailbreaking and reinstalling all my apps every time apple came out with an update when a droid did everything and tons more than the iphone.
jefboyardee
Extreme Android User
Wow, that
Hrethgir
Android Expert
Exactly my experience. I would skip updates for a long time just to avoid the hassle of redoing everything on my 3Gs. I still have it, and it's still jailbroken on 3.1.3, don't use it enough to make it worth the time it would take to update it to 5.0.1.
Logan47
Android Enthusiast
To expand on cydia and its contents. The aim was to give users the very thing android owners take for granted every day; theming, lockscreen facility apps, swipe control, even battery percentage tools and *.plist file hacks to control the odd multitasking IOS employs.
If you like to tinker, have user control and geek it up a little then android is preferable. If you like it simple and have options which are minimal and easy, then IOS all the way.
Indeed. Got real tired of hurrying to grab those SHSH blobs everytime signing window closed on new update.
If you like to tinker, have user control and geek it up a little then android is preferable. If you like it simple and have options which are minimal and easy, then IOS all the way.
Indeed. Got real tired of hurrying to grab those SHSH blobs everytime signing window closed on new update.
Hrethgir
Android Expert
LOL, about the only thing I ever do with my 3Gs is log into Cydia every week or two just to make sure I have as many SHSH blobs as possible, lol! have pretty much all of them from 3.0.1 to 5.0.1, although I'm sure I'm missing a few from 4.x.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
To me, a Jailbroken iOS seems infinitely more powerful.
Simply because, once you get jailbroken, you have native access to the OS and the Darwin Kernel. You get full access with all read-write permissions to the system files.
In a rooted Android device, you still need to run busybox and allow permissions. Busybox seems like a hack to me.
Also, with Android, you're still dealing with the Android window manager and the Dalvik JVM. On iOS, you don't need to run Cocoa or the use the iOS UI. Some people launch their own X11 Window manager and it is like running a full blown UNIX. Sure, there is no touch and stuff but the fact it can run it is compelling.
With an iPhone, you can compile anything that runs on Darwin to Darwin ARM.
E.G.
A full blown Apache/ MYSQL and PHP stack can run on the iPhone.
Tutorial: Apache Webserver With PHP 5.2.3! | iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch forums | iFans
Nitroware iOS Web Server | iOS Apache | iOS HTTPD Server: Welcome!
Thats pretty powerful stuff. Once you get console access, it is like running a OSX box.
You can compile native X11 apps and run them on iOS.
Running native X applications locally on your iPhone On the third side
I mean, you can download any GNU app, and compile it with GCC on the iPhone itself. That is a full blown OS not crippled by anything.
Let me repeat once again, you can download source code onto the iOS device and compile it with GCC on the phone itself.
Some links and source:
Compile C applications with gcc on iOS 4 (iPhone) IT News, Tutorials, Solutions – SYSTEM HALT
https://tootallnate.net/how-to-set-up-gcc-on-ios-4
Seriously, the fact you can run a full Apache/mysql stack on a portable device is pretty freaking cool.
On Android, the only benefit to rooting for me is the ability to load new rooms, run OpenVPN, run Samba and wireless tethering.
However, the rooted app seems like hacks. For example, Samba Filesharing on Android uses an Android app that is VERY LIMITED.
On iOS, with Samba (for iOS) you can SSH right into the phone, use your command-line wizardly right in the /etc folder and start/stop services like you are on a real UNIX machine.
See, that is why I said it was infinitely, has the potential to be more powerful.
Simply because, once you get jailbroken, you have native access to the OS and the Darwin Kernel. You get full access with all read-write permissions to the system files.
In a rooted Android device, you still need to run busybox and allow permissions. Busybox seems like a hack to me.
Also, with Android, you're still dealing with the Android window manager and the Dalvik JVM. On iOS, you don't need to run Cocoa or the use the iOS UI. Some people launch their own X11 Window manager and it is like running a full blown UNIX. Sure, there is no touch and stuff but the fact it can run it is compelling.
With an iPhone, you can compile anything that runs on Darwin to Darwin ARM.
E.G.
A full blown Apache/ MYSQL and PHP stack can run on the iPhone.
Tutorial: Apache Webserver With PHP 5.2.3! | iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch forums | iFans
Nitroware iOS Web Server | iOS Apache | iOS HTTPD Server: Welcome!
Thats pretty powerful stuff. Once you get console access, it is like running a OSX box.
You can compile native X11 apps and run them on iOS.
Running native X applications locally on your iPhone On the third side
I mean, you can download any GNU app, and compile it with GCC on the iPhone itself. That is a full blown OS not crippled by anything.
Let me repeat once again, you can download source code onto the iOS device and compile it with GCC on the phone itself.
Some links and source:
Compile C applications with gcc on iOS 4 (iPhone) IT News, Tutorials, Solutions – SYSTEM HALT
https://tootallnate.net/how-to-set-up-gcc-on-ios-4
Seriously, the fact you can run a full Apache/mysql stack on a portable device is pretty freaking cool.
On Android, the only benefit to rooting for me is the ability to load new rooms, run OpenVPN, run Samba and wireless tethering.
However, the rooted app seems like hacks. For example, Samba Filesharing on Android uses an Android app that is VERY LIMITED.
On iOS, with Samba (for iOS) you can SSH right into the phone, use your command-line wizardly right in the /etc folder and start/stop services like you are on a real UNIX machine.
See, that is why I said it was infinitely, has the potential to be more powerful.
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but ... ugh. I have to say this since it came up in my search.
MrSpeedMaster, I know for a fact that 98%, probably even over 99% of people will NEVER use a cell phone for ANYTHING like you just stated (apache / SQL / UNIX etc)
The original intent of this thread is for basic to moderate users, comparing which one is better a choice for 'tweaking with' for the general population.
Anyone that wants to to what you are talking about, well, they'll probably do it on an iPad and merge with their $10k office setup of mac products. The majority of people just want to know what is more feasible for them and their personal use.
"...has the potential to be more powerful." Yes. Sure. But - who's REALLY going to use it for that purpose? Potential is useless if nobody wants to use it.
Most of the potential usefulness of a jailbroken iphone is installing 3rd party apps. Huh. Us 'weak' android users just needed to click a checkbox O_O Without root even.
I will never understand people with android phones theme their phones to look like iOS. To me, it looks like what I think of it - overglorified MP3 player. The dock system is terrible looking. Featureless. Bland.
They do what they do well - give solid 'basics' to everyone that just needs 'basics."
You know, unless you want to SSH right into the phone O_O along with the 0.43% of the population that will join you.
MrSpeedMaster, I know for a fact that 98%, probably even over 99% of people will NEVER use a cell phone for ANYTHING like you just stated (apache / SQL / UNIX etc)
The original intent of this thread is for basic to moderate users, comparing which one is better a choice for 'tweaking with' for the general population.
Anyone that wants to to what you are talking about, well, they'll probably do it on an iPad and merge with their $10k office setup of mac products. The majority of people just want to know what is more feasible for them and their personal use.
"...has the potential to be more powerful." Yes. Sure. But - who's REALLY going to use it for that purpose? Potential is useless if nobody wants to use it.
Most of the potential usefulness of a jailbroken iphone is installing 3rd party apps. Huh. Us 'weak' android users just needed to click a checkbox O_O Without root even.
I will never understand people with android phones theme their phones to look like iOS. To me, it looks like what I think of it - overglorified MP3 player. The dock system is terrible looking. Featureless. Bland.
They do what they do well - give solid 'basics' to everyone that just needs 'basics."
You know, unless you want to SSH right into the phone O_O along with the 0.43% of the population that will join you.