S*i* talkers beware the PS4

[7Priest7]

Article 14 of the Software Usage Terms for the PS4 states,
"we reserve the right in our sole discretion to monitor and record any or all of your PSN activity and to remove any of your UGM[User Generated Media] at our sole discretion..."
It goes on to state,
"This information may be passed to the police or other appropriate authorities."

If you are someone who likes to engage in some competitive ribbing,
Your comments could at some point land you in court.

I sure am glad I'm a PC Gamer

 

[Shotgun84]

If it's put like that it sounds bad but it's actually the same terms and conditions that have been about since the ps2. They're just covering their tracks if the police ask them for something someone did that was illegal. So if you're not doing anything wrong, no need to worry.

 

[Gmash]

Sounds like standard boilerplate to me. I'd be shocked if Xbox didn't have similar language in their tos. And the Xbone is always listening...

 

[7Priest7]

So if you're not doing anything wrong, no need to worry.

Sometimes trash talking can be threatening.
That was the point I was getting at.

You would be surprised what is illegal, they need a separate library as the number of laws far exceeds what could be reasonably stored at a public library.

 

[Rxpert83]

All I get from that is anything you say could/can be used against you in the court of law... Which is already how every other website operates.

 

[Slug]

I'd be shocked if Xbox didn't have similar language in their tos.

Ditto for Origin, Steam and uPlay. It's a legal requirement for any hosted service afaik.

 

[7Priest7]

I don't give enough personal information to most game hosts to possibly take me to court.
I don't use steam, origin, uplay, and etc. for those reasons.
Unfavorable terms coupled with a constant need for updates and spamming Ads at me.
I'm a real pc gamer, I download my games 1by1.

With the PS4 you will be expected to give all that information to buy any games.
When you add a payment method you will give them more than enough to find you.

 

[Slug]

I don't use steam, origin, uplay, and etc. for those reasons.

Often such services are required for online multiplayer, for in-game VOIP. or simply for DRM authentication.

I'm a real pc gamer, I download my games 1by1.

Retail or digital download makes no difference.

 

[Mikessv]

Personally I don't see it any different then PC, you'll be watched regardless. I am probably gonna get both Ps4 and Xbox One. They can spy on me I don't care lol.

 

[7Priest7]

Often such services are required for online multiplayer, for in-game VOIP. or simply for DRM authentication.

That is just plain untrue.
Multiplayer Games have existed long before these adware/bloatware services came out and will exist many years without them.
DRM == Garbage...

Pirates will continue to pirate with or without these bloatware services that only hurt legitimate users who paid for the product.

EDIT: In regards to the VoIP element of your comment.

 

[Metroid Prime]

Never did anything bad on the Xbox and won't ever doing anything wrong on future consoles for that matter. After thinking even steam does things like that. Never planned on doing anything wrong on consoles and never will. Just letting you know that we don't discuss piracy here or anything piracy related. Just a friendly heads up.

 

[Mikestony]

...snipped quote... Just letting you know that we don't discuss piracy here or anything piracy related. Just a friendly heads up.

True, and we don't even want to provide direction for such.

 

[Slug]

That is just plain untrue

Think so? Try playing Mass Effect 3 without an Origin account, for example.

I'm not going to argue semantics or history here. My comment was simply to point out that the situation highlighted in the OP also currently exists on the PC platform.

 

[7Priest7]

Think so? Try playing Mass Effect 3 without an Origin account, for example.

One search on my site of choice, found it.

I'm not going to argue semantics or history here. My comment was simply to point out that the situation highlighted in the OP also currently exists on the PC platform.

It only exists on the PC if you choose to allow it.
Unlike the PS4 though you have a choice,
You can choose to avoid steam/origin/etc. exclusives.
You can choose to download multiplayer games separately,
you will not be given the same choice with the PS4.

What are games like Red Eclipse or League Of Legends considered in your opinion,
Are they not PC Platform as they don't require steam/origin?

Bottom line: Steam, Origin, anything else is not the PC Platform.
Windows/linux/mac is the platform, steam/origin are optional post platform installations.

 

[Metroid Prime]

One search on my site of choice, found it.


It only exists on the PC if you choose to allow it.
Unlike the PS4 though you have a choice,
You can choose to avoid steam/origin/etc. exclusives.
You can choose to download multiplayer games separately,
you will not be given the same choice with the PS4.

What are games like Red Eclipse or League Of Legends considered in your opinion,
Are they not PC Platform as they don't require steam/origin?

Bottom line: Steam, Origin, anything else is not the PC Platform.
Windows/linux/mac is the platform, steam/origin are optional post platform installations.

He was saying that often they do, not all of them. Some games are required for online play such as games for windows live as an example for games like Gears Of war. Some don't require an online service as well and is easy to simply hop in. I agree that there's a lot of choice to be had with PC and even more so than consoles, but in the end it's still a matter of choice and personal preference if people want it. People who choose to play on console is their choice and they can choose to avoid xbox live or PSN, but it might not be the best choice but it's there. He wasn't saying that it doesn't make them PC games he was saying that often such services are required. IMO. I don't claim to be right, just stating my opinion is all. There is still terms of conditions and what not even with services on PC such as Steam, Origin, Blizzard, etc. and when choosing to use them you can't avoid those terms & conditions. Avoiding those would be to avoid the services entirely.

 

[Xyro]

One search on my site of choice, found it.


It only exists on the PC if you choose to allow it.
Unlike the PS4 though you have a choice,
You can choose to avoid steam/origin/etc. exclusives.
You can choose to download multiplayer games separately,
you will not be given the same choice with the PS4.

What are games like Red Eclipse or League Of Legends considered in your opinion,
Are they not PC Platform as they don't require steam/origin?

Bottom line: Steam, Origin, anything else is not the PC Platform.
Windows/linux/mac is the platform, steam/origin are optional post platform installations.

However, I think you'd agree that most people's mentality in his is "I'd like to play game X", not "I'd like to play a DRM free game, what does that leave me able to play?". It's pretty much guaranteed that at some point there will be games you want to play that require you to jump through DRM hoops.

 

[7Priest7]

It's pretty much guaranteed that at some point there will be games you want to play that require you to jump through DRM hoops.

Not with me,
I simply do not like paying for games.

Games that are free2play even if available via DRM software are usually available as standalone.

I like multiplayer games, the sad reality is big companies like EA/Disney/Sony only keep servers up until they want to push customers to something else.

I see no point in paying for singleplayer as that can be obtained other ways, and multiplayer won't be around for very long.
Why pay these DRM using companies who don't care about the end users long term enjoyment?

 

[Xyro]

Not with me,
I simply do not like paying for games.

Games that are free2play even if available via DRM software are usually available as standalone.

I like multiplayer games, the sad reality is big companies like EA/Disney/Sony only keep servers up until they want to push customers to something else.

I see no point in paying for singleplayer as that can be obtained other ways, and multiplayer won't be around for very long.
Why pay these DRM using companies who don't care about the end users long term enjoyment?

That's quite short term thinking though. You aren't going to dissuade developers from using DRM by obtaining their games 'by other means', you just perpetuate the pirate reputation PC gamers have and drive publishes to continue using draconian DRM.

The only truly valid way to protest DRM on a game is not to play it at all.

 

[Slug]

I simply do not like paying for games.

I think you've already made that very clear.

the sad reality is big companies like EA/Disney/Sony only keep servers up until they want to push customers to something else.

Or until the user base shrinks to the extent that it's no longer worth their while. If enough people are still interested then they'll keep going. Case in point: a group of us fired up some of our old favourite MP shooters at the weekend, COD:WaW (2008), GR:AW2 (2007) and Rainbow 6: Vegas 2 (2008) and the match-making servers are still working and plenty of public lobbies were available.

Why pay these DRM using companies who don't care about the end users long term enjoyment?

I guess it depends on your definition of "long-term" and "enjoyment". I paid less than

 

[Metroid Prime]

As much as I don't like DRM, it exists for a reason sadly. Even older games still have lobbies and people who're willing to keep playing. Plus, the deals on Steam are so good at points even just single player games are worth it if it's not your thing. EA and Activision have a lot of dislike and I personally don't care for them at all. Heck, even Halo 3 still has people playing which is good.
As much as I don't like DRM it's there for one reason or another. I even still play older games like ME1, Gears, Halo, Fallout, etc. and the enjoyment is still there.

 

[7Priest7]

As much as I don't like DRM, it exists for a reason sadly.

Like I said before, DRM doesn't effect pirates.
DRM only effects legitimate purchasers of the product.

 

[jhawkkw]

Like I said before, DRM doesn't effect pirates.
DRM only effects legitimate purchasers of the product.

Don't believe they ever got around EA's draconian grib on SimCity, so to say that it doesn't effect them is a bit strong. Granted, even people who legitimately bought that game couldn't really play it.

 

[7Priest7]

Don't believe they ever got around EA's draconian grib on SimCity, so to say that it doesn't effect them is a bit strong. Granted, even people who legitimately bought that game couldn't really play it.

I have sim city(the most recent one) with no origin.
I have ME3 without origin, although I can't see myself playing it, the early game cut-scenes bored me to death.

Any other games you guys think are actually pirate proof?
DRM is a cat and mouse game with pirates being the cat.

EDIT: This is getting off topic,
Let's all say that if you want any privacy on your gaming platform avoid the PS4.

 

[sfbloodbrother]

Haha wow. PC rules.

 

[Metroid Prime]

Even those who have "not legally" obtained these games even get hit with things that people who legally did get the game won't ever encounter. Crysis had something where if the game wasn't legit your weapon would fire chickens and you couldn't kill any enemies. If anything, Steam only observes if the user is trying to use third party programs to cheat in which they won't allow on multiplayer games. All in all even pirates can get affected and in a worse way than people who didn't.