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Samsung vs. Apple - Intellectual Property Discusscion

Oh, I certainly didn't say that it was bad ... I was just using it as an example of how convoluted the web of patents is in the tech world, and how lots and lots of companies are pushing their perceived patent rights in the field. It's a complicate mess, and the entire entrepreneurial community would be better off if it were straightened out.

From a completely different perspective, I actually think it's kind of hilarious that Microsoft's smartphone patent attorneys are making the company more money than its smartphone OS designers are. :p

You used MS/Android as an example of why the patent system needs repair. Sure seems like you think it is bad by default.

Not sure what perceived patent rights are. If they were granted a patent, they must protect it. Sometimes the assertions are silly, but that is why we have courts. And sometimes, judges make mistakes.
 
You used MS/Android as an example of why the patent system needs repair. Sure seems like you think it is bad by default.

Not sure what perceived patent rights are. If they were granted a patent, they must protect it. Sometimes the assertions are silly, but that is why we have courts. And sometimes, judges make mistakes.

Reread the second half of my first post. Microsoft is doing what it needs to do in this case to maximize shareholder value, just like Apple is. Nowhere did I say or imply that Microsoft is evil for doing so ... their pattern of legal pressure is simply a case study in our convoluted tech patent system, just in the way Apple's is.
 
This assumes that one agrees (with the US government) that "intellectual property" is actually something that can be legitimately owned.

Excuse me, but Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution is far more than the government saying IP is something we can legitimately own. It is a right granted us by our founders, for they recognized that without protection, progress stalls.

I humbly suggest if you think this is another law, you really need to read the founding documents. This is not an inconvenient "keep off the grass" law, it goes to our nation's founding.
 
Advanced OS? Not even close. You quite simply can't do nearly the amount of things you can do on an Android Phone with an iPhone.

We hate Apple because we see Apple has an incredibly arrogant company who doesn't innovate and simply copies what is in Android, and releases incremental updates in their one phone a year, but the iSheep line up in droves to buy one. It's pretty pathetic really.

Do I detect a hint of jealousy here?
 
I am not sure how I feel about Design Patents, Early. On the one hand, they serve a purpose. On the other hand, I would not like to see any company be granted a patent on a square or rectangular tablet. When that happens, nobody else can sell a tablet, period. Until it is tossed.

So I am stuck. I know the system is damaged but I know it is important. I know some patents should not be granted but I also know that once granted, they must be protected.

Some patents/trademarks/service marks/copyrights/other things are issued that should not be issued/granted, and this is part of the problem and why there needs to be review of the system.

But that is why we have judges and federal courts. Sometimes there is injustice so that is why we have appeals and sometimes we have people that just do not care about IP and that is why we have Torrent Sites, Smiley.

The concepts of rights protection has not and in my opinion ought not change.

Personally, I see (again) the legal system out of step with technology and thinking that it's not. I am reminded of the wildly opposing views and insane and contradictory judicial decisions during the Microsoft anti-trust days saying that.

With the smoke settling in that case, thanks in large part to a good judge at the end, and with the explosion of personal tech in the decade since, the legal community seems to think and act as if they've crossed the boundary and are tech-ready. After all, they have laptops and smartphones themselves and everything - so - they know.

Not true.

It is easier for judges to form decisions when they have a firm understanding of things. They don't in this case and it's led to judicial activism.

Many like to believe that in good design, form follows function. Throughout time, this allowed some flairs and some panache to differentiate a form, for aesthetic and competitive purposes. And there have been competing forms when designers disagreed over the focus of functional elements.

Today in tech, we have devices whose design flairs are largely within the software and when form follows function with a market demand for sleek and compact devices, there is virtually no external flair - the very heart of design patents.

Not recognizing this, judges are out of their depth.

I've never heard of anything so ludicrous as a judge holding up two things that the entire buying market worldwide can easily differentiate and conclude they are not distinct, according to that judge.

That is but one example of my assertion of judicial activism.

To my knowledge, Panasonic never brought a design patent case against Goldstar for a department store black plastic CRT TV because both had same shape and same overall button placement - yet - they all did look the same.

And I think it's because 1) any judge would rightfully ask the point of one stripped-down TV being brought in complaint because the other was stripped-down, too and 2) would not declare they looked the same based on their experienced formed by ownership of an old wooden Magnavox and 3) the lawyers knew that.

Rights did not change, the trend in stripped down and similar consumer electronics didn't change - so that just means that the judicial has.

In my opinion.
 
I've got 3 Netbooks, if you rip the keyboards off anyone, you've got an Ipad, from 10 feet away you wouldnt know the difference. All Steve jobs did was take a netbook screen and add touch capabilities. The netbook, I mean Macbook Air is only a netbook with a slightly different design. I think Steve Jobs did a good job of copying a lot of ideas and even designs and in some cases improving on them. Did he invent these things from scratch, no. Should he be able to take Samsung to court for copying a netbook screen, no.
 
I've got 3 Netbooks, if you rip the keyboards off anyone, you've got an Ipad, from 10 feet away you wouldnt know the difference. All Steve jobs did was take a netbook screen and add touch capabilities. The netbook, I mean Macbook Air is only a netbook with a slightly different design. I think Steve Jobs did a good job of copying a lot of ideas and even designs and in some cases improving on them. Did he invent these things from scratch, no. Should he be able to take Samsung to court for copying a netbook screen, no.

Actually, I can tell the difference.
 
It's easy to focus on the theater of somebody holding the two tablets up side by side and proclaiming that there's no difference ... but doing so ignores the fact that there are almost certainly hundreds or thousands of pages of legal briefs and other supporting materials in the case files, and those were the real basis for the decisions that have been made.

In other words, there's substance behind the legal actions, whether one agrees with them or not.
 
I am pushing for something I call "Wish Patents." When I publicly state my wishes, they will be protected. Before you copy and quote my post, ask for permission, first. I also will protect the name, "Wish Patents."

All I need to do is mail myself a copy of everything to prove when I created it.

No all I need is a couple of gorillas to help collect royalty payments and a source for plastic sheet in rolls for cleanup.
 
It's easy to focus on the theater of somebody holding the two tablets up side by side and proclaiming that there's no difference ... but doing so ignores the fact that there are almost certainly hundreds or thousands of pages of legal briefs and other supporting materials in the case files, and those were the real basis for the decisions that have been made.

In other words, there's substance behind the legal actions, whether one agrees with them or not.

Honestly, I kind of question that premise the more I read about this. I honestly and truly think that the vast majority of judges are not tech savvy at all. They have no clue what the tech is or the implications of the tech. Nor are there is there really any precedent for stuff like this. The old way of just getting as broad a patent as you possibly can and then letting the courts sort it out just doesn't work in the tech field.
 
Not to mention that one round of the Apple submissions included photoshoped images of the Samsung product.

Hundreds of thousands of pages of legal briefs is in fact part of the problem here.
 
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