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In the '50s there was such a mass campaign against communism and the arms race that a generation grew up terrorized by the media that the "big one" (atom bomb) could drop at any moment. We're doing the same thing to our school kids. :(
 
One is pretty much defenseless against a murder rampage. Hide or bull rush the attacker is the only two options without another means to fight back. Just not a good deal.
 
LV426 said:
Some interesting suggestions here. One thing I tend to agree with is making teachers more able to deal with situations like this. Waiting for outside help isn't really the best way of quickly stopping someone from killing or injuring many people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43118865
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I'm posting before reading the article linked, just to say that even when there is an armed presence on campus, it's not necessarily helpful. The Florida shooting is a case in point, as an armed deputy stood outside for several minutes listening to the gunfire and did nothing...apparently never went inside. If a lawman trained in the use of firearms can freeze like that, what on earth can we expect from armed teachers [as Trump is proposing]?
 
One way to get rid of the problem is to have metal detectors on school grounds and have students checked before entering the premises.

But I can think of a few problems with this solution.

Cost.
It might be very expensive especially for some smaller schools in smaller communities to pull this off.

Might have to employ multiple guards to compensate for the size of the schools students or else the massive line of students will mean kids will be standing in line the entire day waiting to get checked for weapons.

So to speed it up it might take more guards.

So sad it might have to come to something like this :-/

Why can't people just be reasonably intelligent or slightly intelligent enough not to bring guns to school?

Sad :(
 
olbriar said:
They should all be secured if they are easily accessed by a child or someone with little working knowledge of a hand gun. It is safe to assume that all guns are loaded and ready to fire until you personally unload the weapon or inspect it to prove it is not loaded. To assume it is safe to handle without following that protocol is NOT SAFE under any circumstance.

As I said before, for a child to have a loaded and ready gun loose in a backpack at school is wrong on so many levels that it makes my eyes sweat.
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Basically, Universal Precautions with Blood Borne Pathogens. Always assume it's infected with something.
 
LV426 said:
Some interesting suggestions here. One thing I tend to agree with is making teachers more able to deal with situations like this. Waiting for outside help isn't really the best way of quickly stopping someone from killing or injuring many people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43118865
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Arming teachers is not, and never will be a good idea. Chris Kyle, the apparently best sniper in our history, was killed by a lunatic with a gun. How are teachers supposed to be better trained and prepared than the deadliest sniper in American history? It is not possible. It takes a certain mentality to be able to be a member of the military, law enforcement, yet, people think any Dick, Harry or Jane can arm themselves and stop a cold blooded killer in the act? There were, according to news reports, 4 members of the local Sheriff's office that cowardly stood outside as this unfolded. Yet a teacher is supposed to stop this?
 
olbriar said:
Arming teachers is not likely a fix but I'd want to be armed if I were a teacher.
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Well I'm a teacher and wouldn't want to be doing concealed carry in the classrooms, but then hardly anyone has guns in China. However knife and sword attacks have happened at schools here though. And so now some schools do have X-rays, metal detectors, frisking, etc. And many school staff and students are trained in martial arts.
 
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In my industry I get checked for bombs, guns, knives, drugs and I get tested for how much alcohol I have had.

When ever I enter the refinery my car gets checked for bombs and drugs with dogs checking it.

But in my industry this is a massive refinery with big deep never ending pockets. Money is like water to them.

In a tiny school where they don't know if they will get the grants to build that new picket fence that everyone wanted? I don't know how well that will go because an increase in security would more than likepy cost a small fortune.

It is extremely sad that it would have come to this.

I would also hate as a teacher to carry a firearm that is just insane. I am not. Violent person I am really bellied fear mongering, safety loving coward like everyone else in the energy industry we are all safety lovers.

But I love how the guards have guns that is something I love - nobody gonna try and come and give anyone shit!

But breathalisers are not necessary in a school but metal detectors with frisking yes.

But how will smaller schools with lower fees / infrastructure be able to do this?

Remember in order to accomodate the massive numbers coming in you might have to employ more guards or maybe train some teachers / staff on how to frisk people to save on costs if that is a problem.

But now you are giving teachers an unpleasant job of having to frisk students.

What a sad pathetic world :(

You can't even have your children go to school without being in fear of their lives.

If I was a parent I would just tell my children to stay at home until it blows over I would rather be safe than sorry.

A few weeks staying at home (or until it blows over) is nothing compared to my children's lives.

Just so sad this whole thing :(
 
jhtalisman said:
Arming teachers is not, and never will be a good idea. Chris Kyle, the apparently best sniper in our history, was killed by a lunatic with a gun. How are teachers supposed to be better trained and prepared than the deadliest sniper in American history? It is not possible. It takes a certain mentality to be able to be a member of the military, law enforcement, yet, people think any Dick, Harry or Jane can arm themselves and stop a cold blooded killer in the act? There were, according to news reports, 4 members of the local Sheriff's office that cowardly stood outside as this unfolded. Yet a teacher is supposed to stop this?
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I'm not really in favour of encouraging the proliferation of guns, but schools at the moment seem to be extremely soft targets. I'm not saying that teachers should be trained in advanced military techniques, but a little help, in the form of practical deterrents would go a long way to making people think twice before committing such atrocities.
Probably not the answer really. I don't know what could effectively stop such things happening.
 
There are plenty of other soft targets if that what someone is after. And let's remember that Columbine had an armed guard as well. And the certainty that some kid would be hit by a bullet from an armed teacher sooner or later, either a stray shot or a mistaken identity. And the likelihood that a SWAT team will shoot an armed teacher.

Of course the NRA are pushing for this because it would further normalise the carrying of weapons (kids grow up knowing that the teacher is carrying a gun "to protect them" is pushing their message to youngsters daily), advances their agenda that the only way you can be safe is by carrying a gun (despite all of the statistics saying the opposite), and hence make more money for the corporations they represent.
 
There's no real answer to this is there? It's similar to terrorists targeting mass public gatherings with heavy lorries, in order to kill and maim. There's really nothing we can do about this, other than live in a completely locked down armed police state. And who wants that?

Well I could suggest that allowing the general population to have guns is a mistake in the first place, but that genie is already out of the bottle for the U.S. and the situation won't change anytime soon. But let's not get into that debate.
 
Shut off the media.

First, massacres and random attacks by crazy people (or terrorists) have been happening since monkeys found that they could take a banana from another monkey if it had a stick. Then the other monkey got a bigger stick and there you go. The thing then was that all the other monkeys didn't have to watch 24 hour coverage of these attacks -- they didn't know about them until much later, if ever. So most monkeys weren't walking in fear of being hit with a stick.

Second, by not having the media coverage, these killers are not given the opportunity to become international celebrities for a few hundred dollars.

It won't stop the killing, but kids will not be unnecessarily living in fear, which to me can be worse for society as a whole.
 
Wow. Glad somebody posted about the correlation between the liberal idea of banning raising your tone or a even a finger to your children, which, here in the wonderful state of MA will get you thrown in jail and DCF up your ass with a telescope.

Such ridiculous measures have resulted in a generation of remorseless, morally deficient, ignorant and stupid people birthing another generation of kids that are the same or worse.

Now, teachers have no way to wrangle rotten ass kids who disrupt those who really want to learn. Even bullies can lawyer up (and also win in court) if you try to pull them off of another student.

Nobody ever takes bullying seriously despite the solid link between school shooters, school districts. Nobody wants a lawyer knocking on the door, or even bad press. @Unforgiven remember Phoebe Prince? It's disgusting what happened to her, and I don't think those jerks got more than probation.

Ban guns. Arm teachers. Stupid solutions. All of them. Let's fix people first, eh?
 
I don't see what's stupid about banning guns. We had a school shooting in 1996. As result, the already strict gun controls in the UK were tightened. We don't have any problems with mass shootings like this. The weapons just aren't available. The plain fact is that if people don't generally have weapons, these incidents won't occur.
 
Spec2nirvash said:
Ban guns. Arm teachers. Stupid solutions. All of them. Let's fix people first, eh?
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Agree. Replace the tool (gun) with a truck, knife, baseball bat, machete, fertilizer and deisel fuel, or whatever other tool and the results don't change. If you don't deal with the cause, whether it is an ill person, bullying, pure evil, or anything else, these will continue to happen.
 
There have been, and always will be people in our society with untreated and unknown mental health issues. I don't think it's realistic to completely solve this problem. What we can do is restrict access to dangerous weapons by those people through legislation. That's achievable.
 
PitCarver said:
Chicago...
Toughest gun laws in the United States.
Highest murder rate.

Gun control laws ONLY affect law abiding gun owners.
The criminal element will always ignore the laws.
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Firstly this is nothing personal... But, if anyone is going to quote stats, on any part of the debate, I'm going to call them on it...
... Hopefully the stats will stand up, and I'll learn something... Or not and I still will



So, if the honourable member would be so kind...
 
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