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Seperation of church and state?

Of course, I thought you were confused with regards to the executive

The executive WAS the President. I'm not confused. You and droiduzr2 seem to be though.

Yes, the German war hero
In Ireland today (our system is modelled on the Weimar system) our President plays a VERY ceromonial role - she just accepts the nomination of PM and signs in laws

In pre-WWII Germany, the President had very real power. In fact, it was only after convincing the President that Communists were about to take the country by force, that the President granted Hitler Emergency powers. Which is how Hitler got power, real power.

Yes your point?
True, Hidenburg was no fan of Hitler IIRC, however he had little choice - the peoples will

The people's will? The Nazi party was a minority in the Reichstag. Granted, it was a sizable minorty, but a minority none the less.

Shadowninty. Take a step back. Read up on HOW Hitler came to power. Then come back and lets have this discussion all over again.

It was decidedly NOT the will of the people.
 
Why is it that one set of Christians hates another set of Christians?
I mean you have white Christians worshiping in their church but down the street you had Black Christian's at their church. You both read from the same Bible and profess your love and obedience to the same God but yet White Christians would burn Black Christian's churchs. White Christians would hang Black Christians? White Christians did not want their Children mixing or marrying Black Christians.

I don't get it, if you are both Christians following the same God then the actions taken by the White Christians against the Black Christians would seem unholy according to God.

Care to explain for me Bytewire et all?
 
Dude...

Put. The. Bong. Down.

Where the Hell are you coming up with this stuff?

Yes, there ARE racists who wish to hurt those of another race, even though they profess to follow the same faith. And this is proof of what (besides that they're lunatics, I mean)?

Coherence: look it up.
 
The executive WAS the President. I'm not confused. You and droiduzr2 seem to be though.
Alas you are - in the US the Pres chooses who to run different parts of government and s/he makes the BIG decisions.
In most European countries, the executive is the "cabinet" made up of MPs, chosen and led by the Prime Minister (Chancellor)
Its NP tho, I dont mind ;)

In pre-WWII Germany, the President had very real power.
Real but not large - an elected [UK style] Queen/King if you will

In fact, it was only after convincing the President that Communists were about to take the country by force, that the President granted Hitler Emergency powers.
iirc thats correct - the parliament vodted for it tho first
Which is how Hitler got power, real power.
The President let him be PM first - the head of the executive
The [4 year :confused:] Emergency Powers act allowed him to become dictator of Germany

The people's will? The Nazi party was a minority in the Reichstag. Granted, it was a sizable minorty, but a minority none the less.
I dont have the numbers to hand - but in 1932, the Nazis had nearly twice as much seats as the Communists (afaik 45%), then another election was called where they got, iirc 39%

Shadowninty. Take a step back. Read up on HOW Hitler came to power.
Then come back and lets have this discussion all over again.
Yeah I did (not too in depth ofc)
It was decidedly NOT the will of the people.
As economy gets worse - people seek extreme solutions - in this case fascism and socialism
Not only that - but Germans were hurt - financially and mentally by their defeat in WWI
The Nazis would make Germany great again
Expand it, build the army, get revenge
Their scapegoating was also very appealling

This can be seen today by people veering to the far left and far right, and the classic we have no policy just rethoric groupings
 
Why is it that one set of Christians hates another set of Christians?
I mean you have white Christians worshiping in their church but down the street you had Black Christian's at their church. You both read from the same Bible and profess your love and obedience to the same God but yet White Christians would burn Black Christian's churchs. White Christians would hang Black Christians? White Christians did not want their Children mixing or marrying Black Christians.

I don't get it, if you are both Christians following the same God then the actions taken by the White Christians against the Black Christians would seem unholy according to God.

Care to explain for me Bytewire et all?

You haven't given any example of one group of Christians hating another group of Christians for me to comment on.

You've given an example of one group of people with similar attributes gathering while another group of people with a different set of similar attributes gathering to worship together.

I've never experienced at a white church any kind of hate for a black church.

You seem to be trying to make an issue out of something that is clearly not.
 
People of racial bigotry is not influenced by their church. Its personal feelings twards a race. So to say a church fuels racism is dead wrong . Never heard a white church say lets birn down the black church down the street just because they are black and vice versa. I have seen many mix raced churches Co existing. So I am sorry but Your statement is totally a lie.

Fyi the KKK isn't a religion lol.
 
Alas you are - in the US the Pres chooses who to run different parts of government and s/he makes the BIG decisions.
In most European countries, the executive is the "cabinet" made up of MPs, chosen and led by the Prime Minister (Chancellor)
Its NP tho, I dont mind ;)

You do realize that you are shooting yourself in the foot right? Since, the President of Germany chose who would run parts of the government and made the BIG decisions.

The Chancellor did not choose the "cabinet". They were chosen in a direct election of the people.

The Chancellor was extremely weak under the Weimar Republic. Everything took a majority vote.

Real but not large - an elected [UK style] Queen/King if you will

Source please?


iirc thats correct - the parliament vodted for it tho first

None of the texts I've ever read in regarding to Hitler mentioned anything about the Parliament voting for him first.

Source please.

FYI, the Parliament had the ability do DISMISS the chancellor, not to appoint the chancellor.

I dont have the numbers to hand - but in 1932, the Nazis had nearly twice as much seats as the Communists (afaik 45%), then another election was called where they got, iirc 39%

In 1932, the Nazi party had 33% of the Rheinstag.

In 1933, the Nazi party had 43.9% of the Rheinstag (this was after Hitler was Chancellor AND after Hitler made it illegal for the Communist and Socialist parties to run for office.

The two banned parties received 12 million votes while the Nazi party received 17 million votes (that was AFTER They were banned).

As economy gets worse - people seek extreme solutions - in this case fascism and socialism
Not only that - but Germans were hurt - financially and mentally by their defeat in WWI
The Nazis would make Germany great again
Expand it, build the army, get revenge
Their scapegoating was also very appealling

This can be seen today by people veering to the far left and far right, and the classic we have no policy just rethoric groupings

You still claim it was the will of the people? Source please.
 
You do realize that you are shooting yourself in the foot right? Since, the President of Germany chose who would run parts of the government and made the BIG decisions.

The Chancellor did not choose the "cabinet". They were chosen in a direct election of the people.
The cabinet was made up of elected Members of Parliament
The leader of the largest party would choose them, inform the Pres who would "choose" thos chosen

The Chancellor was extremely weak under the Weimar Republic. Everything took a majority vote.
Yes, same in most such systems
Source please?
Its not too hard to see that the weimar Pres's were no where near as powerful as a US one


None of the texts I've ever read in regarding to Hitler mentioned anything about the Parliament voting for him first.

Source please.
Google sth like "hitler enabling act" or nazi reichstag enabling act"
You will see :)
FYI, the Parliament had the ability do DISMISS the chancellor, not to appoint the chancellor.
Vote of no confidence kinda thing perhaps?
Generally a President (or eg the English Queen) will apoint the leader of he largest party
In 1932, the Nazi party had 33% of the Rheinstag.

In 1933, the Nazi party had 43.9% of the Rheinstag (this was after Hitler was Chancellor
You are right I am wrong, np :)

AND after Hitler made it illegal for the Communist and Socialist parties to run for office.

The two banned parties received 12 million votes while the Nazi party received 17 million votes (that was AFTER They were banned).
AFAICR, the Nazis suppressed them (ansd w/ help of EnabAct) but did not ban them
Of course there was the Reichstag fire (blamed on a COMMIE) - obviously thayt would hurt their vote

You still claim it was the will of the people? Source please.
They got more than the Commies and Democratic Social Party (2nd & 3rd)
 
Dude...

Put. The. Bong. Down.

Where the Hell are you coming up with this stuff?

Yes, there ARE racists who wish to hurt those of another race, even though they profess to follow the same faith. And this is proof of what (besides that they're lunatics, I mean)?

Coherence: look it up.

You know, change a few words and that is what the terrorists did the the rest of the Muslims that follow Islam but it seems judging by the reaction to the community center being built NEAR the STRIP Club that is NEAR to Ground Zero they seem to just lump everyone in together.
 
People of racial bigotry is not influenced by their church. Its personal feelings twards a race. So to say a church fuels racism is dead wrong . Never heard a white church say lets birn down the black church down the street just because they are black and vice versa. I have seen many mix raced churches Co existing. So I am sorry but Your statement is totally a lie.

Fyi the KKK isn't a religion lol.

Are you on crack:D:D
Church's have led the most heinous ATTACKS in humanity that was based on race disguised as religion.

And if the Minister/Preacher of the Christian church is also a KKK member then what's the difference when he burned down a Black Christian Church.
 
Because church and state is so boring? Lol.

You know, I don't get it. If Conservatives want the GOVERNMENT to but out of their lives then why do they push their brand of religion within the Government to be pushed down. It would seem you are going to need a department of brainwashing thus increasing the size of Government which they say they are opposed to:D

How about NO RELIGION within the Government?
I don't want to know the candidates religion and it should not be a requirement for the job.

:D
 
Ahh... but religion ISN'T an official requirement for the job. However, the majority of American voters have always allowed that to play a part in their decision.

Which is the individual voter's choice... or do you think such things should be banned?

Before you answer: keep in mind that I'm an arch-conservative (on most issues) pagan. Kinda ruins your "Conservatives want religion in government" meme, doesn't it?

Oh yeah... this:

You know, change a few words and that is what the terrorists did the the rest of the Muslims that follow Islam but it seems judging by the reaction to the community center being built NEAR the STRIP Club that is NEAR to Ground Zero they seem to just lump everyone in together.

Actually makes no sense. Care to rephrase it, so we can properly ridicule it (instead of just picking on grammar)?
 
Are you on crack:D:D
Church's have led the most heinous ATTACKS in humanity that was based on race disguised as religion.

And if the Minister/Preacher of the Christian church is also a KKK member then what's the difference when he burned down a Black Christian Church.

Ok lets have names of all white churches and all black churches that preach burning of the churches of their opposite race.

Remember kkk isn't a church.
 
And I guess I am an atheist. So I am not blinded by religious views. Plus there has been a few presidents that want religious and they got the job.
 
And it DOES happen. However, anyone running for Pres (currently) as anything other than some form of Christian would get crucified in the press (pardon the pun)...
 
Hell this thread has spiraled from church and state to a racist holy war with whites vs blacks. Lol
 
And it DOES happen. However, anyone running for Pres (currently) as anything other than some form of Christian would get crucified in the press (pardon the pun)...

Obama was a former practicing Muslim and he got elected.
 
False example: he is (or was) a member of Jeremiah Wright's congregation. That would be the Trinity United Church of Christ: don't recall "church" or "Christ" being used in the name of any mosques. Feel free to correct me, if you'd like...
 
False example: he is (or was) a member of Jeremiah Wright's congregation. That would be the Trinity United Church of Christ: don't recall "church" or "Christ" being used in the name of any mosques. Feel free to correct me, if you'd like...

I stand corrected on my statement. Thought the school he went to in Indonesia was a religious one. Google is your friend lol
 
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