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Someday... Bloatware...

Rooting can eliminate this problem as well as other phone I think you can remove the bloatware now. I remember reading with the S2 you can do this.
 
What I’m waiting for is some carrier to see the interest and release a rooted Android, right out of the box. That would cause quite a stir that others would be forced to mimic. Then, one by one, we’ll finally have the open OS Google promised us.
 
That would be nice, but with new users making the switch to android it would be kinda volatile to have a lot of new comers mess there devices up because they didn't know what they were doing. It's why they don't come that way out of the box, but it would be cool still. :)
 
They could, but isn't that part of the freedom to have access to those files?
Even things like changing the OS can result in damage if not done correctly.
 
i thought i recently read that Good is going to push and limit the manufacturers and carriers to what they can do with android. Im too tired to search for the article now.
 
I got a Samsung device from a carrier (a Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus) and one I bought straight up from Samsung Concept Store, and well, they don't have bloatware. So it appears its a more US type of issue?

Easy way to get around bloatware is simply buy an international version full price and use it on a GSM carrier. Quad/penta band GSM and 3G phones would work in US GSM networks anyway.
 
Aren’t we just asking for the same as we get with a new PC, full of crap but if we’re clever, clean as a whistle?
 
Metroid prime said:
It's why they don't come that way out of the box
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I would argue this is what the Nexus phones are for. They are not rooted by default, but doing so isn't difficult (relative to other phones). But it's hard enough that you need to be technically capable to do it. Thus it acts as a buffer to ensure that anyone who roots the phone is technically aware enough to know the risks they are taking.

You wouldn't want rooting to be too easy, otherwise someone who doesn't know what rooting means will root the phone and could run into all sorts of trouble.
 
chanchan05 said:
Easy way to get around bloatware is simply buy an international version full price and use it on a GSM carrier. Quad/penta band GSM and 3G phones would work in US GSM networks anyway.
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That depends on your definition of bloat. My unsubsidised, international HTC Desire came with plenty of bloat from HTC - Stocks, Facebook, you name it. No carrier bloat, but a lot of stuff I had no use for.

None of that now. I generally strip junk out of custom ROMs before installing, though that wasn't necessary with my current one.

And on the topic of PCs, I would pay extra not to have bloat like McCaffee on a new PC, to save me the hassle of removing it (McCaffee is malware itself imo).
 
akamad said:
You wouldn't want rooting to be too easy, otherwise someone who doesn't know what rooting means will root the phone and could run into all sorts of trouble.
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Could you imagine all the dumb arses bricking their phones then saying "omgz, android sux!!! im getting an iphone".

You've got to remember, smart phones have been thrust into the general public. Back in the day, most phones were basic and if you needed a smart phone for work etc, then you got it. But in general if you just made calls or texts then you had a basic one.

Giving the general public the option of possibly bricking their phone is something the manfactures don't want at all.
 
I have rooted every Android phone i've used, the last two i'd researched how to root before I even obtained the phone. I am capable of doing so without breaking the handset, but if you go through the posts on the forums where this occurs, you'll see many many people who haven't got a clue just blindly following the instructions.

The other issue is that with rooting a phone comes the possibility to remove software that your network provider placed in there as a subsidy. Maybe they've got a piece of software in there that tracks your use and sends data to them for "customer experience" analysis. You can't use the program uninstaller to remove it, but with root you can literally navigate to /system/data and delete the thing.
 
Hadron said:
That depends on your definition of bloat. My unsubsidised, international HTC Desire came with plenty of bloat from HTC - Stocks, Facebook, you name it. No carrier bloat, but a lot of stuff I had no use for.

None of that now. I generally strip junk out of custom ROMs before installing, though that wasn't necessary with my current one.

And on the topic of PCs, I would pay extra not to have bloat like McCaffee on a new PC, to save me the hassle of removing it (McCaffee is malware itself imo).
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Never used anything but Samsung devices, but the only bloat that come from my purchases (2 phones) and even one that I got from my carrier (a tablet), is AllShare, Pulse and Polaris/ThinkFree. Maybe its a regional thing too? In my experience from Nokia, preinstalled unremoveable apps also vary by region.
 
NotAnd said:
I have rooted every Android phone i've used, the last two i'd researched how to root before I even obtained the phone. I am capable of doing so without breaking the handset, but if you go through the posts on the forums where this occurs, you'll see many many people who haven't got a clue just blindly following the instructions.

The other issue is that with rooting a phone comes the possibility to remove software that your network provider placed in there as a subsidy. Maybe they've got a piece of software in there that tracks your use and sends data to them for "customer experience" analysis. You can't use the program uninstaller to remove it, but with root you can literally navigate to /system/data and delete the thing.
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We all have to start somewhere. Some of those writing instructions need to read what they have written from either a newbie's eyes or maybe an non-native English speaker. You don't do it on Tapatalk using shortcuts for spelling. Terminology is different, too. There were instructions on how to root a Symbian phone, but quite different from Android.

If you buy a phone outright, there should be no "subsidy".
 
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