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Sprint Airave (Post #1 has a quick "FAQ" for help)

I have mine working fine on the EVO 4G. I have mine on a stereo shelf in the middle of the house, only a patio door 15 feet away.
 
mikeb33 said:
I have mine working fine on the EVO 4G. I have mine on a stereo shelf in the middle of the house, only a patio door 15 feet away.
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did you have to change any settings on your phone?
do you have the external GPS antenna hooked up?

thanks
 
wase4711 said:
did you have to change any settings on your phone to make it work, or did it just work?

it sounds like you did NOT connect that external GPS antenna, did you?
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I called sprint's customer retention once it was setup and they activated it, 15 min later it worked nothing on the phone. Ext ant is hooked up don't really need it tough. I runs behind the cabinet to the window seal and covered up by the blinds.
 
Mine works with 2 EVOs, no problems at all.

Didn't have to make any changes to any settings, anywhere.

My Airave is as old as when they were first released and has been completely solid since day 1.
 
mine is below my bed...works perfectly with 2 evos...didnt do anything ...plugged it in waited for the required 1-2 hrs and full bars

i belive my model is a samsung
 
ARR22 said:
Yeah I agree its completely unnecessary, but I suppose the reason why is that they don't want you to be able to take it over seas and be able to use it. :rolleyes:
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OK time to bring facts into this factless discussion. E911 is a FCC government mandate for all current cell phones. As such they need to give accurate location info in the event that a 911 operator needs it, and is given approval to obtain it BTW. An IP address is NOT, repeat NOT, good enough to give your exact location. It can tell that you are in whatever city and possibly down to a certain area of a city, but that is it. Before you start raving get your facts straight, m'kay?
 
jonnormand said:
OK time to bring facts into this factless discussion. E911 is a FCC government mandate for all current cell phones. As such they need to give accurate location info in the event that a 911 operator needs it, and is given approval to obtain it BTW. An IP address is NOT, repeat NOT, good enough to give your exact location. It can tell that you are in whatever city and possibly down to a certain area of a city, but that is it. Before you start raving get your facts straight, m'kay?
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I bet you feel powerful when you impose your knowledge in a way that makes you come across as a high and mighty pompous self righteous know it all. I said I suppose. I didn't say it was a definitive fact. But thanks to you, you cleared it up for all of us.
 
jonnormand said:
OK time to bring facts into this factless discussion. E911 is a FCC government mandate for all current cell phones. As such they need to give accurate location info in the event that a 911 operator needs it, and is given approval to obtain it BTW. An IP address is NOT, repeat NOT, good enough to give your exact location. It can tell that you are in whatever city and possibly down to a certain area of a city, but that is it. Before you start raving get your facts straight, m'kay?
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Hate to burst your bubble bud, but the Sprint e911 system runs off of aGPS, and all Sprint phones since 2002 have an aGPS chip inside, therefore complying with federal e911 standards. Since aGPS runs off of the data network, there is no need for the GPS in the Airave to comply with federal e911 standards.
 
IOWA said:
Hate to burst your bubble bud, but the Sprint e911 system runs off of aGPS, and all Sprint phones since 2002 have an aGPS chip inside, therefore complying with federal e911 standards. Since aGPS runs off of the data network, there is no need for the GPS in the Airave to comply with federal e911 standards.

Before you start raving get your facts straight, m'kay?
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I don't hate to burst your bubble. aGPS requires the phone to be able to see at least one cell tower (the more it can see, the more accurate the result) and it gets it's location information from the cell tower. The Airave IS the cell phone tower, and it needs to give your phone the aGPS location. It knows what to give your phone by doing a (real) GPS look up of it's physical location.

Remember, the Airave doesn't require access to any cell towers to operate, so, it cannot possibly perform an aGPS look up of it's own.
 
I have an Airave with the EVO as well.

I have to keep WIFI on so that the Evo doesn't ignore the Airave and try to get a real cell signal that's between 0 and 1 bars.
 
I was never able to get the airrave to connect to my EVO's with 2.1; so, I was wondering if anyone who had the same problem, can now connect after updating to 2.2

thanks!
 
mynamewastaken said:
I don't hate to burst your bubble. aGPS requires the phone to be able to see at least one cell tower (the more it can see, the more accurate the result) and it gets it's location information from the cell tower. The Airave IS the cell phone tower, and it needs to give your phone the aGPS location. It knows what to give your phone by doing a (real) GPS look up of it's physical location.

Remember, the Airave doesn't require access to any cell towers to operate, so, it cannot possibly perform an aGPS look up of it's own.
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Lol no it doesn't. aGPS works in a variety of ways, including WiFi positioning(gee, how does that work without having a GPS server built in eh?) triangulation(which would require more than one cell tower) and hybrid positioning systems.

And actually, the femtocell itself can fall under the VOIP service, (because that's exactly what it is) and adhere under those guidelines for e911 services.
 
IOWA said:
Lol no it doesn't. aGPS works in a variety of ways, including WiFi positioning(gee, how does that work without having a GPS server built in eh?) triangulation(which would require more than one cell tower) and hybrid positioning systems.
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I'm hoping you know what the a in aGPS stands for. OK, good. Now look it up on wikipedia. Ok, now that's out of the way (you read the entire page, right?). Obviously the assistance can come from multiple sources, and the device (ie phone) can do anything from having a full GPS chip set (such as most modern phones, ie, the EVO) and using assistance to simply speed up it's GPS lock, or it can know practically nothing about GPS and have the assisting service do all of the heavy lifting. The Airave has to assume that devices connecting to it are as dumb as they get, and it has to be able to provide GPS coordinates for them whenever they can't provide their own. This would be one of the reasons why it needs it's own GPS lock, to provide that service.

And actually, the femtocell itself can fall under the VOIP service, (because that's exactly what it is) and adhere under those guidelines for e911 services.
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Sprint could have opted to require you to input your physical address on a form, on-line, every time you power cycle the Airave before it allows any calls through it, so that you can verify your physical location (think Vonage adapters), but that's annoying and not very user friendly, especially since the Airave doesn't otherwise require you to even own a computer to use. Thankfully, they didn't do that. It's a poor hack anyway. If Vonage wasn't so cheap, they'd put GPS in their adapters too and this requirement would go away for them, too.
 
mynamewastaken said:
I'm hoping you know what the a in aGPS stands for. OK, good. Now look it up on wikipedia. Ok, now that's out of the way (you read the entire page, right?). Obviously the assistance can come from multiple sources, and the device (ie phone) can do anything from having a full GPS chip set (such as most modern phones, ie, the EVO) and using assistance to simply speed up it's GPS lock, or it can know practically nothing about GPS and have the assisting service do all of the heavy lifting. The Airave has to assume that devices connecting to it are as dumb as they get, and it has to be able to provide GPS coordinates for them whenever they can't provide their own. This would be one of the reasons why it needs it's own GPS lock, to provide that service.

Sprint could have opted to require you to input your physical address on a form, on-line, every time you power cycle the Airave before it allows any calls through it, so that you can verify your physical location (think Vonage adapters), but that's annoying and not very user friendly, especially since the Airave doesn't otherwise require you to even own a computer to use. Thankfully, they didn't do that. It's a poor hack anyway. If Vonage wasn't so cheap, they'd put GPS in their adapters too and this requirement would go away for them, too.
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Actually, no, they don't have to assume the devices are "as dumb as it gets". ALL, I reapeat ALL Sprint phones have built in aGPS chips with some GPS functionality circa 2002, so the GPS on the Airave isn't for that, but may provide as an additional use anyway.

The real reason, which someone mentioned already, is FCC regulations regarding Spectrum etc etc, as THAT would need controlling via GPS, to make sure they aren't broadcasting where they aren't licensed.
 
IOWA said:
Actually, no, they don't have to assume the devices are "as dumb as it gets". ALL, I reapeat ALL Sprint phones have built in aGPS chips with some GPS functionality circa 2002, so the GPS on the Airave isn't for that, but may provide as an additional use anyway.
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Except the Airave isn't limited to only phones manufactured after 2002.
 
IOWA said:
And e911 regulations only apply to phones made past dec 21 2005.
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And devices.. such as the Airave.

Call 911 through the Airave on a phone made in 2000, and the Airave will supply the location information. It must.
 
mynamewastaken said:
And devices.. such as the Airave.

Call 911 through the Airave on a phone made in 2000, and the Airave will supply the location information. It must.
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e911 only applies to phones. How do you propose the iPad or other internet tablet, or a mifi, overdrive, etc, some of which don't have any gps capability, get tracked eh?
 
I've been a sprint customer w/ the same # for over 20 years now! In my basement apt. I get no reception. I got the airave system for $1.07 with monthly fees waived! I had to call them to get my system up and working only once! I also had to use the gps antenna wire. I just stuck it in my drop ceiling above the unit and pointed towards the closest block window i have. It works great!!!! I love sprint and though i've had my issues w/ them i've always been able to work it out w/ them to my satisfaction! I don't ever see me leaving sprint! There is no one better!!!
 
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