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Task Killer Recommendations?

Good morning from Maine!

I am brand new to this, so please be gentle ;)

I have an HTC EVO by Sprint, I'd like some opinions on what you find to be the best task killer out there?

Thank you in advance for your time ~ :cool:
Lisa
 
Good morning from Maine!

I am brand new to this, so please be gentle ;)

I have an HTC EVO by Sprint, I'd like some opinions on what you find to be the best task killer out there?

Thank you in advance for your time ~ :cool:
Lisa

The other gents are correct, Lisa: the best Task Killer is the one you don't install.

Read a bit about it here, because you are not the only one with a misconception about the efficacy of Task Killers.
 
Will you all PLEASE stop spouting dogma (generalizations can be as bad as that) on this? If you actually use the multitasking which Android is set up for, then even you may find valid uses for task killing. The problem has been with how they were used by most, and how they were marketed. But if more people start using car dock home screen apps, black box apps and traffic advisor apps while driving, there should be increasing demand for good task killers. They would be handy in dealing with such apps, which all run processes which otherwise need to be ended manually before you can get out from behind the wheel. I'd like to see the development of such technology sooner than later, so please don't generalize.

Lisa, you should know that any phone with Android 2.2 or higher will fight any third-party task-killer app, and win every time. If you set it to automatically kill some app which you hate (some uninstallable crap from your service provider), it will fight that app until your battery is toast.

Some apps can be killed if your phone is rooted, and you apply a for-rooted-phones app to it (I've tried using Tasker, with limited success, and that has a steep learning curve if you have never done any sort of programming.

There is a rumor (perhaps more than that) that Gingerbread will include a task killer of some form, if it ever becomes available for HTC phones. Until then, the bottom line is that you won't be able to get a task killer to work for you, and will only beat up your battery unless you are rooted, and then your options will still be limited. The latter is because the app developers tremble in fear at the sound of so much quasi-religious parroting of the Google mantra "task killers are always bad".

If you do make up your mind to deal with all this, you should first evaluate just why you believe you need one. I am in agreement with the rest here that Android is pretty good at managing your phone resources, and that apps should not be shut down in an attempt to do it better in that regard. There are apps which can monitor what each app is doing, and such tools are a good way to decide which apps are much too active when not in use, and need to be uninstalled.
 
I actually do use the multitasking Android is set up for, and no, I still dont see any reason why I should treat it as Symbian where you have to kill tasks left and right. Car dock homescreen apps? I have one. It has a huge exit button. Whats the need for task killers on that?
 
I actually do use the multitasking Android is set up for, and no, I still dont see any reason why I should treat it as Symbian where you have to kill tasks left and right. Car dock homescreen apps? I have one. It has a huge exit button. Whats the need for task killers on that?
Does your car homescreen stop the processes of navigation apps, the video recording of your black box app (if you have one), and the chatter of traffic advisory apps as well? You may wish to stop your music too. LIKE I ALEADY SAID, the case I made is for stopping mulitple processes which are running simultaneously!
 
I use the task killer to see which apps are active. Does anyone know if that also could be problematic using it that way? I am totally new to android.
 
Does your car homescreen stop the processes of navigation apps, the video recording of your black box app (if you have one), and the chatter of traffic advisory apps as well? You may wish to stop your music too. LIKE I ALEADY SAID, the case I made is for stopping mulitple processes which are running simultaneously!

Dave, I do understand your frustration, but I think you are looking at a single instance of utility and applying it globally. First I'd like to address your misconception that there is a Jihad against task killers. While certainly there are strong opinions on both sides of the issue, we have to understand a little history.

Prior to Android version 2.x, the memory management model was unrefined and prone to exhaust all available resources leaving some processes hanging or not providing the necessary space for critical processes to be started. At that point in time, the use of a task killer was a workaround solution and became a standard staple of early phones.

With the introduction of improved memory management in 2.0 and 2.1, they became less necessary and redundant. FroYo ended the necessity at all for task killers as a daily utility, especially the automated killing of apps, which, if used can cause excessive battery drain, disable services and possibly corrupt data files.

The problem arises when people continue to recommend the use of a task killer as a necessary utility for Android using FroYo or Gingerbread. Even their value on Eclair is questionable. For months after FroYo was released many people didn't understand the new memory management model so there was a grass roots campaign to educate. Unfortunately it met a brick wall when many of the carriers were still telling sales people to recommend the use of task killers to any customer who came into the store with a problem. It served two purposes ... it got a dissatisfied customer out of the store quickly and it meant they'd usually look for alternative support, like Android Forums. Ask the customer service reps for Verizon and AT&T who hang out here what their supervisors told them to do. It has nothing to do with problem solving.

Slowly the blogosphere got the message out, although there are still a few holdouts who insist that task killers are essential.

Hyperbole aside, no one is saying task killers are evil. The message is task killers are unnecessary. While task killers can potentially cause problems and do very little for the performance of the device, it is also true that their use may not cause any problems and provide a specific utility. Yours is a prime example of providing you the utility desired for how you'd like your device to function.

I would also agree that it should not be the way you have to accomplish what you are trying to achieve. I think, however, you are a little misguided in laying the blame at the feet of Android. Let me say right now that I am not a developer and only have a cursory understanding of the underpinnings of the Android OS. That said, I believe your dissatisfaction should be aimed at the developers. If the processes are triggered by the car dock, then they certainly should give you the option to terminate them when the car dock terminates. It's not up to Android to make those choices for you, even if you do believe them to be universally desired.

When peripheral devices to television began to appear in people's homes, there was a lot of dissatisfaction of dealing with multiple remote controls, cables, power switches, etc. They'd turn off the TV but forget the VCR or the cable box and then complain about increasing utility bills. Their solution was to put a switched power strip between the wall outlet and their electronics. This is analogous to using a task killer to manage apps on your phone. While you may be able to continue to use it without issue, you are running a risk.

Eventually i have no doubt the developers will include the functionality you seek in those apps, just like consumer electronics has integrated universal power control into many remote control devices. I can turn off and on everything with one button the way it is safest for the devices.

Now, the ability to kill tasks can be very useful (which Android provides in application management), especially if there is a service or app that, either through poor coding or system error becomes hung up or goes 'rogue' gobbling up resources. But I stand behind my recommendation that they should not be run as a performance utility or to add functionality that a developer should properly include.
 
I use the task killer to see which apps are active. Does anyone know if that also could be problematic using it that way? I am totally new to android.

Not problematic, but misleading. Many apps that are shown as 'running' are not consuming any CPU cycles and therefore causing no performance drain on your device. If you scroll up you should see a link to a thread on why you don't need task killers. It explains the memory management model very nicely.
 
Does your car homescreen stop the processes of navigation apps, the video recording of your black box app (if you have one), and the chatter of traffic advisory apps as well? You may wish to stop your music too. LIKE I ALEADY SAID, the case I made is for stopping mulitple processes which are running simultaneously!

No traffic data, not available for my country, but yes music stops as i unplug from the car and exit the app. Although now that I think about it, I cant be sure if the music is stopping because of exiting the car dock or unplugging the music jack. Personally, I find it task killera unnecesarry. For blackbox apps, I'd recommend not using task killers for those as they are the type of apps that Android recognizes as something to reload to memory if forcefully killed AFAIK, so ita better to close those properly.
 
I use the task killer to see which apps are active. Does anyone know if that also could be problematic using it that way? I am totally new to android.

Menu button > Settings > Applications > Manage Applications > Running tab.

Or, do what I did and make a shortcut by long pressing on an open space, select 'shortcut', select 'settings' then find 'Running Applications'.
 
Good morning from Maine!

I am brand new to this, so please be gentle ;)

I have an HTC EVO by Sprint, I'd like some opinions on what you find to be the best task killer out there?

Thank you in advance for your time ~ :cool:
Lisa

There are very strong opinions about task killers here. I think that before this discussion gets any deeper, I would like to know for what reason the OP wants a task killer. There are many good reasons why task killers are not needed. However, there are a few corner cases where task killers may help.

If you can tell us what you hope a task killer can do for you, we can give an answer that will apply to your specific needs.
 
Prior to Android version 2.x, the memory management model was unrefined and prone to exhaust all available resources leaving some processes hanging
I still get some apps hanging in Froyo.

The problem arises when people continue to recommend the use of a task killer as a necessary utility for Android using FroYo or Gingerbread.

Even their value on Eclair is questionable. For months after FroYo was released many people didn't understand the new memory management model so there was a grass roots campaign to educate. Unfortunately it met a brick wall when many of the carriers were still telling sales people to recommend the use of task killers to any customer who came into the store with a problem.
I think you know I don't advocate use as a memory management tool.

I would also agree that it should not be the way you have to accomplish what you are trying to achieve. I think, however, you are a little misguided in laying the blame at the feet of Android. Let me say right now that I am not a developer and only have a cursory understanding of the underpinnings of the Android OS. That said, I believe your dissatisfaction should be aimed at the developers. If the processes are triggered by the car dock, then they certainly should give you the option to terminate them when the car dock terminates.

nononono - think it through! How do you really expect the developer to be able to achieve this when Android prohibits this, they categorically will not work with them on any form of task management.

It's not up to Android to make those choices for you, even if you do believe them to be universally desired.
Well, I believe it's plain to see that Android already has made the choice for me, and therein is the offense!

Eventually i have no doubt the developers will include the functionality you seek in those apps, just like consumer electronics has integrated universal power control into many remote control devices. I can turn off and on everything with one button the way it is safest for the devices.
Sorry, but I have walked this earth too long not to doubt this. Car docks cannot anticipate which apps you will be launching from them, therefore they could certainly not deal gracefully with each app's UI in order to shut them down "right". Providing the utilitarian convenience of process management while still managing to idiot-proof your device against misguided attempts to manage battery power - this presented a complex problem, which Google made into a non-problem by stamping out all user process-management. Most of all, Google is unlikely to change it's position while so many on the blogs are happy to silence all who would breathe the subject "task killer". However inconvenient this may become, it is no longer valid to say "you don't need them at all", and there will be fewer challenges to your answer when you start with "what do you want it for". Had Google been less dogmatic about this - had they not insulted the intelligence of their users, they wouldn't have got such a fight.


Now, the ability to kill tasks can be very useful (which Android provides in application management), especially if there is a service or app that, either through poor coding or system error becomes hung up or goes 'rogue' gobbling up resources. But I stand behind my recommendation that they should not be run as a performance utility or to add functionality that a developer should properly include.
You and me both on the former. But while the latter remains not to be expected, if not impossible, don't blame the user for wanting to take that into his own hands.
 
Menu button > Settings > Applications > Manage Applications > Running tab.

Or, do what I did and make a shortcut by long pressing on an open space, select 'shortcut', select 'settings' then find 'Running Applications'.

+1 Jerofld. I am new to this whole android thing, so that was really helpful. Especially the last thing.
 
I think part of the problem is with terminology. My impression is that to 6StringDave task killer means "A utility by which I can for a very specific instance, kill several tasks at once manually," and to most new users task killer means "A utility that will constantly run in the background and kill any open apps because open apps are bad and will drain my battery, because that's what my mobile provider salesperson told me."

The whole "jihad" against task killers has to do with this second case.

In general, you should not run a task killer (which usually means something that will suddenly end programs automatically without user intervention). If all you're using it for is to Force Stop several apps at once that are actually misbehaving instead of just "running" when you don't want them to be running, then, of course, it's faster than going into each individual app and selecting Force Stop.

I agree fully with Lunatic59:
Dave, I do understand your frustration, but I think you are looking at a single instance of utility and applying it globally.
I don't even use the Car Dock. The times I've used Navigation, I haven't been the one driving, and I'll be using just Navigation, so when I'm done I exit out of it (Menu button > Exit--couldn't be any simpler with a "task killer" app).

In general, unless a new user has a very specific use-case scenario for installing a task killer, the answer should be "No," because historically "task killer" use and advertising has worked against the proper usage of Android for memory and application management.
 
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