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The HTC M9 is slower than the M8

norweger

norweger

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I bought a M9 recently, mostly for the 3GB RAM, and it is supposed to replace my M8. But it turns out the M9 is actually slower and more laggy when it comes to browsing in Chorme, and browsing in Chrome is what the phone is most often used for.

Here are videos. The M8 first.

Here is the M9.

Going from M8 to M9 in Chrome, kind of feels like getting ones hair pulled.
 
Interesting. I'll have to do a side-by-side comparison myself and report back. Did you see my earlier post regarding the comparative brightness of the devices? My M8 is definitely brighter than the M9. I wasn't expecting much of a difference in terms of display; but I thought the M9 would be the brighter device.
 
Hmm that is odd. Went to several sites and did not notice poor performance. I have an M7, 2 M8's, and an M9. the M8 and M9 seemed on par with each other in basic Chrome performance. Are there specific websites you are experiencing this on? Is this all websites? Is this on WiFi?
 
I don't think the benchmarks really mean much when you can go on youtube and see people testing them side by side and the M8 comes out faster.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this video proves anything. I'm just saying, I don't think benchmarks prove anything considering we have examples where the M9 performs better in a benchmark and then is slower in actual execution.

Ehhh, whatever. I like my M9, and I'm guessing when 64 Bit stuff catches on, there will be a notable difference in the M9's favor.
 
This is what happens when you go to 64 bit, I went to the M9 but I didnt see the point to go to 64 bit. I thought it was too soon since they are not yet ready surpass 4 gigs of ram. 64 bit is not the best for small apps.
 
WuBoy said:
I don't think the benchmarks really mean much when you can go on youtube and see people testing them side by side and the M8 comes out faster.
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Agreed 100% on benchmarks vs the real world.

My benchmark point was that tool can help decide which browser performs best - it's been real world accurate in my experience in that regard.

Most browser benchmarks carry around their own web engines to standardize the so-called tests - making them completely synthetic.

Try it with various browsers - it's a time saver if you're trying to narrow your choices based on performance (as opposed to favorite features).

Not saying that you should use what it says - am saying that it can be a useful tool for part of the decision process.
 
Anecdotal, but I must say that text input (stock keyboard, not swipe) feels very laggy compared to the m7, and very innacurate.
 
To mitigate heat concerns, there is a LOT of throttling going on. The 810 is apparently better suited for tablets- as speculated. I have seen enough graphs, used it and friend input to feel this is correct. Besides the camera, there seems not a lot of love in the market for the M9 overall and this could be the device that breaks HTC.

The M8 to me seems smoother and faster with normal operation, but JMO. Half an hour of comparative use admittedly is not a big sample.

Added: That recent odd commercial HTC created shows something appears to already be broken at HTC.
 
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Hmmm... I have not experienced any throttling on games. My device remains relatively cool. Can you provide examples of software that is causing issues (aside from benchmarking tools which have no real-world use) so I can test some out? Would greatly appreciate it.

-Also have the M8 (actually 2) an M7, and and my M9. M8 is pretty fast, but on multi-core operations it cannot keep up with the M9. Single core I never really saw any difference in my testing of the devices.
 
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LG was concerned enough to go with the 808 (basically a slowed down 810 with two cores off). The mean performance though should be better or equal due to less throttle spikes. The 810 is probably dead now for mass production phones. At least as far as being called the 810- now the 808.
 
Fewer A57 cores, lower frequency, and less capable GPU in the 808. I'm sure that G4 owners will be happy - quality comes from the overall design, not a single part - but your speculations about why LG chose that part or how it's implemented or how it's going to compare to the M9 really are just that, and maybe a bit premature.
 
rushmore said:
LG was concerned enough to go with the 808 (basically a slowed down 810 with two cores off). The mean performance though should be better or equal due to less throttle spikes. The 810 is probably dead now for mass production phones. At least as far as being called the 810- now the 808.
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*LG says it chose the Snapdragon 808 for the G4 because of timing, not overheating issues*
Reasoning behind 808 in the LG G4

...Actually "According to CNET, McDonough says LG’s decision had a lot to do with cost, as well. The 810 would be available first, so it was a no-brainer that LG would include the SoC in the G Flex 2. The 808 took a little more time to make its way to market, which meant LG could choose between the two processors. Ultimately, the decision to go with the 808 in the G4 came down to manufacturing costs (the 808 is cheaper), and the fact that the G4 would be the first mobile device to launch with the chipset."
 
EarlyMon said:
Fewer A57 cores, lower frequency, and less capable GPU in the 808. I'm sure that G4 owners will be happy - quality comes from the overall design, not a single part - but your speculations about why LG chose that part or how it's implemented or how it's going to compare to the M9 really are just that, and maybe a bit premature.
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100% this. As long as good battery life and smooth performance (for Android), the G4 should sell well. I just wish they did not curve it, but certain I am the minority in that regard.

As far as the 808 and cost, that is mainly more like spin IMO. Qualcomm road shotgun at LG's press event. That seems very telling the heat Qualcomm is in right now. Pun intended.
 
...Like I said before, please provide me with some apps that are causing this problem for you so I can try them on my M9. I have yet to have ANY throttling issues on my device, and it is in a full case, which restricts heat dissipation. As far as the "spin" - Do you have any solid evidence regarding this?

I have the M7, (2) M8's and an M9 and as I have stated before I have not found any issues with the M9 as of yet relating to heat. M9 and M8 are on par with single core performance, but the M9 blows it away in multi-threaded apps/games like Modern Combat 5...Which I have not seen any throttling in.
 
If you didn't feel the case heat up, the thermal throttle never turned on.

It's one thing to speculate on why some are seeing browser performance issues on the M8 vs the M9 - it's quite another to go on a 810 witch hunt using repeatedly debunked myths vs facts.

I have on my M8 the very nice ViperOneM8 rom. Here's a screen shot of the notification pull down -

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Notice that at the top, it shows how many cores are running and what the frequency is for each core.

You can pull that down by a few centimeters and watch what happens while the phone does things - like complex web page loads.

At no point during complex page loads is the processor running anywhere near hard or fast.

In fact, for those tasks, the M8 runs far below the wildest throttling speculations out there for the M9.

So attributing a browser slow down to throttling - when the M8 isn't running full on - is hereby debunked as well until someone posts core speeds with an M9 during tasking.

(Quick System Info PRO - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.uguess.android.sysinfo.pro - has a notification CPU cores frequency widget. No idea if it would work on the M9 but check if interested in repeating my test monitoring. Personally, I'd like to know. :))

The M8 - like the M9 - can and does peak all cores to full speed intermittently with any number of task combinations, including browsing.

No one here has reported thermal throttling. Please let it go.

The report here is that some things aren't responding properly.

Having beaten the throttling to death, let's try to find the real cause of any problems.
 
El Presidente said:
Fwiw, GSMArenas review said the same thing about browsing: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-...www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-review-1230p5.php
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I'm not gonna attempt to debunk GSM's testing,they saw what they saw,draw your own conclusions.
But,from my vantage point,it simply doesn't translate.
Installing HTC's browser on my non-HTC Devices is one of the 1st items on my to-do list.
I was pleasantly surprised it installed on the NEXUS 6 w/o root..........

One interesting article I came across, from BGR :paperbagdroid:,compares overall speed w/the GALAXY S6-M9-iPHONE6:
The M9 did very well,surprisingly well (BGR's words,not mine):


http://bgr.com/2015/04/28/galaxy-s6-vs-iphone-6-vs-htc-one-m9-comparison-speed-test/

 
I am not having the same trouble, on the contrary, my M9 works great when watching videos taken by my carema. The video plays fluently, of course I have changed the video format beforehand, otherwise it cannot be played on my M9.
 
If sales stay as is, there might not be an "M10" and perhaps not a Qualcomm in current fashion. The 810 has resulted in a lot of damage to both HTC and the Q. Qualcomm is trying to partner with Samsung, but what does HTC do?

The 808 going in devices instead the 810 is a big deal. Analysts are not buying that the "The 808 was planned for the devices like the G4 all along". The price concessions afforded LG by Qualcomm must also be significant.

I appreciate the 810 is not the only factor and the device being more like a M8.5 has to do with it as well.
 
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I just found something on my M8.

Developer options (settings, About, Software, Build number, tap it until you get it, nothing bad will happen to your data or warranty), Advanced, Background process limit - 4.

Use phone a while, reboot.

It'll come back and say unlimited and before and after the reboot System Panel will show that the limit is not enforced.

Except everything speeds up, especially Web browsers and they don't redraw going in and out of them.

EDIT - ok you can get that to happen - only after loading a lot of intensive apps - and it's still hugely improved.

And my phone was no slouch to begin with.

Anyone want to guinea pig this on the M9?

HTC has handed this out for support advice in the past fwiw.
 
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