US Federal Elections 2012

[A.Nonymous]

Who said anything about them paying it off? I know that I didn't. I only asked to keep the interests rates what they are or attempt to lower them. That's not unreasonable.

Either way, it needs to be easier for EVERYONE to go to college. Not just myself or those who are more affluent than me.

Government already keeps them low by backing student loans in the first place. If it didn't back them, the rates would be excessively higher. Also, most students who take out private loans don't even utilize the government loans that are available.

Private Student Loan Report Amended, Majority Of Students Didn't Exhaust Federal Aid: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

 

[OutofDate1980]

Government is not evil in and of itself. When it oversteps it self to the point that citizens are not being served, but instead being kept it becomes evil. If you choose to bury yourself in debt, it is not the government's job to bail you out. ...

Unless you are politically connected and finance the politicians.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Government already keeps them low by backing student loans in the first place. If it didn't back them, the rates would be excessively higher. Also, most students who take out private loans don't even utilize the government loans that are available.

Private Student Loan Report Amended, Majority Of Students Didn't Exhaust Federal Aid: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

Interesting that for-profit colleges push private loans, but not surprising.

"According to the July report, students at for-profit colleges were four times more likely to take out private loans than students at traditional public and non-profit private colleges and universities. The Education Department found students at for-profit colleges are more than twice as likely to default on their loans when compared to peers at public and private nonprofit colleges."

 

[A.Nonymous]

Unless you are politically connected and finance the politicians.

Those bailouts were bad ideas. I've said so before and I'll say it again.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Unfortunately, we were under the gun and it was done badly. We should have learned if they're too big to fail, they're too big, break em up.

 

[ebusinesstutor]

So how is it a democracy when you only have a choice of party A or party B?

 

[OutofDate1980]

Well its 50% better then just party A. You are correct there should be more choices, but first past the post is reality, at least in the U.S.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Government already keeps them low

$500 is low. Not $50k

So how is it a democracy when you only have a choice of party A or party B?

...because you have a vote equal to anyone else's vote?

 

[A.Nonymous]

$500 is low. Not $50k/QUOTE]

Interest rates. Not the size of the loan. If the feds limited the size of the loans lots of students and parents would be ticked.

 

[ElasticNinja]

$500 is low. Not $50k

Interest rates. Not the size of the loan. If the feds limited the size of the loans lots of students and parents would be ticked.

I thought you meant tuition fees, sorry.

Just FYI I was talking about tuition fees the whole time.

 

[Member243850]

So how is it a democracy when you only have a choice of party A or party B?

Douche vs. Turd 2008 - YouTube

+ 1 to you ebusinesstutor

 

[A.Nonymous]

I thought you meant tuition fees, sorry.

Just FYI I was talking about tuition fees the whole time.

Well, $50k is pretty high for college. According to one source I found it's $20k a year for a state college and about twice that for a private school. Still, this can be paid for by simple savings. I mean you've got 18 years to save up $60k if we go for the lower number. Even if we go with $120k for the higher number you've still got 18 years to save that up. Do people have no responsibility to save?

CollegeData - Pay Your Way - What's the Price Tag for a College Education?

 

[OutofDate1980]

U.S. Incomes Fell More in Recovery, Sentier Says - Bloomberg

"Real median annual household income fell to $53,508 from $54,916 during the 18-month recession from December 2007 to June 2009, according to the firm

 

[OutofDate1980]

That's ok. Polls in 2008 showed that if we elected Obama, the world would love us. World still hates us. We still don't care.

OK, it appears Obama will be reelected, unless there is an October Surprise. How's the House and Senate going to go ?

Sept. 13: After Convention Bounce, Holding Obama's Polls to a Higher Standard - NYTimes.com

 

[A.Nonymous]

Obama got a bounce from the convention. That's all. I still think he gets re-elected though I'm a bit shocked that the GOP isn't making a bigger deal of the fact that the economy isn't better and Obama hasn't done anything at all. Not the GOP is going to make anything better, but this is a winnable election for them.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Well, $50k is pretty high for college. According to one source I found it's $20k a year for a state college and about twice that for a private school. Still, this can be paid for by simple savings. I mean you've got 18 years to save up $60k if we go for the lower number. Even if we go with $120k for the higher number you've still got 18 years to save that up. Do people have no responsibility to save?

Ah here, that's ridiculous and naive, to expect families to save $10K a year, for two kids doing 4 years of college. What is this, China?

 

[OutofDate1980]

Obama got a bounce from the convention. That's all. I still think he gets re-elected though I'm a bit shocked that the GOP isn't making a bigger deal of the fact that the economy isn't better and Obama hasn't done anything at all. Not the GOP is going to make anything better, but this is a winnable election for them.

The electorate has realized that voodoo economics doesn't work.

 

[Mr Wolfpack]

My side of the family: Depending on how my kids perform academically/atheletically, I'll recommend they attend the county community college, get their 2yr degree, then decide whether to go on to a 4yr school.
My wife's side of the family: Work hard, find a good blue-collar job, and make big bucks w/o student loans.

Whatever works...

 

[A.Nonymous]

Ah here, that's ridiculous and naive, to expect families to save $10K a year, for two kids doing 4 years of college. What is this, China?

You don't have to save $10k a year. There's a little thing called compound interest that works for you. How many parents get to the college age and have absolutely nothing at all saved for their children?

 

[Mr Wolfpack]

The main issues of the 2012 election, IMO.
1. Economic solution. (Obama will retain Bernanke, Romney won't.)
2. War. (Frankly, I see no difference between Obama and Romney in this regard.)
3. Social issues. (Which my right-wing friends summarize in 2 words: Supreme Court.)

Doing my best to see both sides of the issues...at this point, I'm contemplating a third party vote.

(Besides, I'm in KS. If Romney doesn't win KS, we go to bed early on Nov 6.)

 

[A.Nonymous]

The electorate has realized that voodoo economics doesn't work.

Well, clearly Obama's economics doesn't work either.

 

[ElasticNinja]

The main issues of the 2012 election, IMO.
1. Economic solution. (Obama will retain Bernanke, Romney won't.)

Well, Romney's policies will damage the living conditions of the majority, economic growth isnt much use if it only benefits the few.

2. War. (Frankly, I see no difference between Obama and Romney in this regard.)

Well, Romney doesnt have a policy on War/Foreign Policy. His only idea is to wage war against Iran. Time and again he has proved he doesnt have any idea of how the world works, or how diplomacy does.

As for Obama, I pretty much agree with most of his policies. From Afghanistan, to the drone attacks, to the bootless intervention in Libya. Probably should have dithered less on Egypt but thats going ok now.

Foreign Policy is probably the area where me and Obama are most similar.

Doing my best to see both sides of the issues...at this point, I'm contemplating a third party vote.

Well a third party vote wont make any difference, but it will send out a signal or something, seeing as you arent in a swing state anyway.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I hate the argument that we should just pick the lesser of two evils. You're still getting evil that way are you not?

 

[ElasticNinja]

I hate the argument that we should just pick the lesser of two evils. You're still getting evil that way are you not?

Generally, one of the choice is more conductive to your views than the other.

 

[copestag]

Well, Romney's policies will damage the living conditions of the majority, economic growth isnt much use if it only benefits the few.

Where Obamas policies only damage the living conditions of EVERYONE.

Well, Romney doesnt have a policy on War/Foreign Policy. His only idea is to wage war against Iran. Time and again he has proved he doesnt have any idea of how the world works, or how diplomacy does.

If youre going to stick your nose into American business at least TRY to read a newspaper or even the most extreme liberal rag...... they all have more of a clue than this.

As for Obama, I pretty much agree with most of his policies. From Afghanistan, to the drone attacks, to the bootless intervention in Libya. Probably should have dithered less on Egypt but thats going ok now.

YEP ....... Libya and Egypt are working out great ...... again..... try reading a newspaper or some type of news media

Foreign Policy is probably the area where me and Obama are most similar.

so your theory is to sit on the sidelines and let the world explode as well.......... nice

It was a good post... Im glad you made it.... solidifies even more the reason why you should mind your own business and worry about that craphole you live in...... and youre welcome for the welfare checks my crappy country sends yours..... YAWN