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Video shows officer beating 66-year-old man suffering from dementia
- Thread starter quest7
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Controversy is growing over a beating of a 66-year-old man by a police officer in Brevard County that was recorded by the officer's dashboard camera. After viewing the video, prosecutors said they changed the charges against Albert Flowers, who was beaten by Officer Derek Middendorf. Flowers was arrested on Friday and charged with felony battery, investigators said. However, prosecutors said they reduced his charges to a misdemeanor of resisting an officer without violence.
Charges reduced against man beaten by officer
Wtf?
Charges reduced against man beaten by officer
Wtf?
kool kat2
Android Expert
Holy crap i just saw that video. What reason could he have had to continue beating him instead of just cuffing him? And when the other jackass comes and tases him????? Jeez, and nothing happens to him. He goes about his routine and who knows what else he has done. This is what pisses a lot of people off, that jerks like this get a free pass at being idiots. I clean animal $#! + for a living and im REQUIRED to show more professionalism than theae rear ends!
chrlswltrs
Extreme Android User
It seems over the last year or so that either police brutality has gotten worse, or they are just getting caught more. Even the Department of Justice found that the SPD uses excessive force that violates federal law. Story here
They have also been racking up fines and breaking more laws by trying to conceal evidence of further brutality. Story here
They have also been racking up fines and breaking more laws by trying to conceal evidence of further brutality. Story here
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
The video no longer appears to be available.
"The officer turned off his video and audio equipment before the beating. The department was able to extract the video from the hard drive, but not the audio."
If true, the police officer should be charged with obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence and fired upon conviction, no resignation to avoid prosecution permitted.
These bad apples taint the law enforcement institution.
"The officer turned off his video and audio equipment before the beating. The department was able to extract the video from the hard drive, but not the audio."
If true, the police officer should be charged with obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence and fired upon conviction, no resignation to avoid prosecution permitted.
These bad apples taint the law enforcement institution.
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TxGoat
Guest
Here's the complete footage. (due to graphic nature....viewer discretion, blah blah blah)
White cop beating 66 year old black man courtesy of the Melbourne FL Police Department - YouTube
The piece of garbage officer should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. When a dog viciously attacks a human, they euthanize the animal thus I'd have no problems with this animal being euthanized.
White cop beating 66 year old black man courtesy of the Melbourne FL Police Department - YouTube
The piece of garbage officer should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. When a dog viciously attacks a human, they euthanize the animal thus I'd have no problems with this animal being euthanized.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Appears to be "Roid Rage". Humans are not dogs, let's see if another course of action is available.
Anabolic steroids are the most insidious drugs known. It should be mandatory that all law enforcement members be tested and if tested positive, placed in a proper rehabilitation program.
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TxGoat
Guest
Roid/Cop rage. I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but for some reason a lot of officers have decided to let the authority go to their heads and instead of remembering that they're there to "protect and serve", it's as if they've decided to "intimidate and harass". I actually remember looking up to the profession as a child, now as an adult, not so much. I'm not sure when I stopped thinking that it was an honorable profession, but there has to be a reason that the profession has had an influx of these types of situations. Maybe they're under-paid and under-trained?!?!
And you're probably 100% right about the roid rage. For some reason steroid use within police departments seems to be a little more widely accepted than in other professions. Below is a local officer that used to be somewhat a local celeb. I've seen studies that indicate you don't get that big on anything "natural" no matter how much you workout.
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
... Below is a local officer that used to be somewhat a local celeb. I've seen studies that indicate you don't get that big on anything "natural" no matter how much you workout.
Appears to fit the profile. Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The upper region of the body (thorax, neck, shoulders, and upper arm) seems to be more susceptible for AAS than other body regions because of predominance of androgen receptors in the upper body. The largest difference in muscle fiber size between AAS users and non-users was observed in type I muscle fibers of the vastus lateralis and the trapezius muscle as a result of long-term AAS self-administration. After drug withdrawal, the effects fade away slowly, but may persist for more than 6
copestag
Android Expert
I've seen studies that indicate you don't get that big on anything "natural" no matter how much you workout.
Im not gonna claim this fella isnt on steroids...... I dont know him.... Ive never seen his medical records......
but I can say with 100% certainty that ANY study that says you cannot get this big without steroids was clearly conducted by complete idiots...... there is plenty of irrefutable evidence that you can achieve this size without the use of steroids.... and plenty of pictures to prove it
as for the current state of police brutality becoming more prolific........ theres probably less brutality now than anytime in the past........ the difference is now everyone and their uncle has a cellphone with a video camera feature and departments arent willing to cover it up anymore......... 50 years ago you would have been hard pressed to find a single cop who didnt give at least 1 person a beat down each day
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TxGoat
Guest
I know one Ph.D. that would disagree with you and has actually tracked the progress of "natural" bodybuilders. Feel free to post the pictures that "prove" it's possible as I'd like to see how one proves someone hasn't used Steroids or some other HGH based on a picture alone.
The WeighTrainer - Bodybuilding, Powerlifting, Weightlifting, Strength Training, Nutrition
copestag
Android Expert
you do realize that steroids didnt exist pre-1950s right......... do a simple search youll find all kinds of images of very large very buff men as far back as the invention of photography....took me about 10 seconds on google....found quite a few from the 1800s (dont think they dabbled much with steroids back then)..... so Id suggest you help your Ph.D. friend find an education to match his title..... he obviously knows very little about human anatomy
now do most bodybuilders use steroids...... nobody could argue that....and if someone wrote a paper stating that the majority of large muscular people got that way due to steroids..... I wouldnt even argue that.... but the fact is that steroids are not required to be a very large extremely muscular person.... so you cant make a blanket statement that you cant get that way naturally....... its just not true
now do most bodybuilders use steroids...... nobody could argue that....and if someone wrote a paper stating that the majority of large muscular people got that way due to steroids..... I wouldnt even argue that.... but the fact is that steroids are not required to be a very large extremely muscular person.... so you cant make a blanket statement that you cant get that way naturally....... its just not true
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
From the previously cited source, "Anabolic steroids were first isolated, identified, and synthesized in the 1930s ..."
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TxGoat
Guest
Dr. Darden's H.I.T.
That's 1939 MR AMERICA.... I guess he should've worked out harder. And please don't tell me that nutrition and technique has improved so drastically that it's added several inches to the average man. I can see it adding some size to the average man, but not to the extent we're seeing now.
Good find. I bet before the 30s they had other methods of introducing a growth hormone to their body. Although, considering that Coca-Cola was actually used as "medicine" (granted the cocaine laced variety) back in the day, there's no telling how effective/ineffective their muscle growth serums would be.
copestag
Android Expert
I cant believe were using wiki as a trusted source..... DOH
but since we are.... then I shall keep up to your standards
heres one that took all of 10 seconds to find..... Louis Cyr 1863-1912 (the golden age of steroid abuse)
Louis Cyr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
his pictures certainly make him look puny....... I guess someone believes the 'average man' includes EVERY man
the 'average man' would have enough common sense to realize that since the dawn of time there have been people of all shapes and sizes......... some more robust than others....... some with a body better suited for muscle growth (regardless of their initial physical characteristics)...... the 'average height' of 'average man' is about 5'10"..... ask your Ph.D. pal is its impossible to be taller than 5'10" without external resources.... physical characteristics are different among EVERY human...... the 'average man' is not what were talking about
if I dig around on wiki long enough I can probably find some actual photographs of cavemen that are just as large as the cop in the photo....... dont have the time or patience to dig through this most trusted source that long though
but since we are.... then I shall keep up to your standards
heres one that took all of 10 seconds to find..... Louis Cyr 1863-1912 (the golden age of steroid abuse)
Louis Cyr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
his pictures certainly make him look puny....... I guess someone believes the 'average man' includes EVERY man
the 'average man' would have enough common sense to realize that since the dawn of time there have been people of all shapes and sizes......... some more robust than others....... some with a body better suited for muscle growth (regardless of their initial physical characteristics)...... the 'average height' of 'average man' is about 5'10"..... ask your Ph.D. pal is its impossible to be taller than 5'10" without external resources.... physical characteristics are different among EVERY human...... the 'average man' is not what were talking about
if I dig around on wiki long enough I can probably find some actual photographs of cavemen that are just as large as the cop in the photo....... dont have the time or patience to dig through this most trusted source that long though
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TxGoat
Guest
I find it humorous (in a sad way) that you state you can't determine if the cop above is on steroids because you've "never seen his medical records", yet to try to back your claims, you insist that there are pictures online that prove you to be right.
Also, your last post is about someone's strength, not size. Please don't tell me you think both are the same, granted it might explain your incorrect views on this subject matter in general.
Also, your last post is about someone's strength, not size. Please don't tell me you think both are the same, granted it might explain your incorrect views on this subject matter in general.
copestag
Android Expert
I gave you a link to a picture online that was taken nearly 70 years before steroids existed (according to your dating)...... a picture that shows a man equal in size to the cop pictured above or larger....... I cant tell if the cop above took steroids because steroids existed in his lifetime and I havent seen his medical records...... I can EASILY deduce that the picture I linked is of someone who didnt take a product that did not exist in his lifetime...... my dog sitting beside me could figure this one out........ not exactly rocket science here.
The picture also clearly shows the mans physical size to be equal or greater to the picture above...... not exactly sure how you deduced his strength from the picture.... thats quite a feat
should we switch languages or something...... clearly english isnt working here
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
Your claim, " you do realize that steroids didnt exist pre-1950s right......... do a simple search ..." is not supported.
I provided a link to support that anabolic-androgen steroids (AAS), i.e. steroids did exist pre-1950.
You dismissed this source, even though the article had 129 references, but have not supplied any evidence to support your claim.
Are you unable or unwilling to "do a simple search" to support your claim ? I would venture to say unable, as your claim can not be supported.
copestag
Android Expert
even your source says steroids werent used in the US pre-1950s........ hard to argue with someone who agrees with me
yes "didnt exist" was an inaccurate portrayal......... should have stated were rarely used and even rarer for anyone outside of russian bodybuilding
but lets strawman the point
back to the original...... any Ph.D. who claims that its impossible to reach that size without steroids is a complete moron...... a fancy title rarely gives one intelligence
alas we are way off topic anyhow.... which is that this cop beat a man suffering from a disease....... guess I'll go read and see how its turning out
yep appears that the reprimand for the recording equipment was the only punishment..... guess we'll have to wait a few years for a lawsuit to find out how much the taxpayers have to pay the victim
yes "didnt exist" was an inaccurate portrayal......... should have stated were rarely used and even rarer for anyone outside of russian bodybuilding
but lets strawman the point
back to the original...... any Ph.D. who claims that its impossible to reach that size without steroids is a complete moron...... a fancy title rarely gives one intelligence
alas we are way off topic anyhow.... which is that this cop beat a man suffering from a disease....... guess I'll go read and see how its turning out
yep appears that the reprimand for the recording equipment was the only punishment..... guess we'll have to wait a few years for a lawsuit to find out how much the taxpayers have to pay the victim
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TxGoat
Guest
Seems like you're the only one making absolute statements about the subject of bodybuilding. Who is the bigger moron, the person that does research and reaches a conclusion with the data to back up their conclusion or the person that just has a "gut feeling"? Yes nature throws us a curve from time to time, from 7' giants to growth stunted little people, that's not a valid argument for claiming these people are "naturally huge". You might as well argue that people are born with wings, since we have really tall people walking this planet.
copestag
Android Expert
so your argument would be essentially that because someone researched bodybuilders and determined that bodybuilders use steroids and transferred that reasoning to the conclusion that it would be impossible to reach a large body mass without the use of steroids.... despite the fact that we know there have been people throughout history with very large muscular body masses who have not used steroids.......... that he must be correct?
very logical conclusion indeed
never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess
youre absolutely correct....... even though we know for absolute fact that there have been very large muscular men with huge body mass that have not used steroids...... its still impossible for any human to do it.... because you know a guy with a Ph.D. who said so
thanks for pointing out though that "nature throws us a curve from time to time"..... I guess even though you openly admit its possible...... you still claim its impossible
hard to argue with that logic...... FFS
very logical conclusion indeed
never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess
youre absolutely correct....... even though we know for absolute fact that there have been very large muscular men with huge body mass that have not used steroids...... its still impossible for any human to do it.... because you know a guy with a Ph.D. who said so
thanks for pointing out though that "nature throws us a curve from time to time"..... I guess even though you openly admit its possible...... you still claim its impossible
hard to argue with that logic...... FFS
OutofDate1980
Android Expert
I think this is more on topic:
Police Chief Magazine - View Article
FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin that stated,
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TxGoat
Guest
copestag
Android Expert
Yes
given the evidence....... I would say yes he has used steroids
I couldnt be 100% certain because i havent seen any medical record that states he has.......... but in this case there are plenty of witnesses who have watched him inject himself....... and if memory serves me wasnt he in trouble for lieing to congress about the use of steroids
are we going to do this for every large athlete you can think of? gonna be a lot of pages to this thread
ok my turn.......... YES or NO....... did Louis Cyr use steroids
given the evidence....... I would say yes he has used steroids
I couldnt be 100% certain because i havent seen any medical record that states he has.......... but in this case there are plenty of witnesses who have watched him inject himself....... and if memory serves me wasnt he in trouble for lieing to congress about the use of steroids
are we going to do this for every large athlete you can think of? gonna be a lot of pages to this thread
ok my turn.......... YES or NO....... did Louis Cyr use steroids
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TxGoat
Guest
I don't really know who the guy is and haven't found any measurements (arm/leg/chest etc) so I can't answer conclusively. Also, if he did, it had to be inadvertent since steroids hadn't been isolated by then.
So Barry Bonds is a professional athlete that GOT PAID to workout, and isn't even the size of some of the AVERAGE bodybuilders out there. What conclusion could one then reach? Let me repeat that, if Barry Bonds, who GOT PAID to workout and keep in shape, got paid MILLIONS and isn't even that big in comparison to average bodybuilders then something's not right. It's not as if Barry Bonds wasn't an athlete before he took steroids, but as an athlete that was PAID to workout, he still had to use steroids to get as big as he is, and he's still not as big as that cop posted above who DOESN'T get paid to workout and as a matter of fact, sits in a squad car for a lot of his time. Sounds suspicious to me.....