War against Android !!!

[Roze]

I never cared about RIM and BBs, but as pointed above, the choice is simple: innovate or perish!

Look at Nokia - failure to innovate and complete ignorance of the market and competitors brought them to their knees.

Blaming other successful companies/OSs is a failed attempt to justify their own choices.

Yeah Though being Canadian and considering we have very few 'Canadian companies' left, I'd hate to see RIM go under.

 

[takeshi]

As a Canadian, and as a general lover of tech, I want to see RIM do well, but this is pretty damn silly. The problem with RIM isn't Android. The problem is they haven't innovated enough.

I think the old Lazardis quotes I ran across recently sums it up really well. Years ago he stated:

"There will never be a Blackbery with an MP3 player or camera"
"A Blackberry with a name is ridiculous"

He clearly expected the corporate and government customer base to be more than sufficient for RIM and completely underestimated the value of the consumer base. They rested on their laurels for far too long and focused in the wrong areas. Companies like RIM don't change direction on a dime and we're seeing them still trying to avoid the iceberg like a massive ship turning at the last second.

Even if say Android DOES fall a part, what good would that be to RIM. Apple is already dominant in this business so far.

Suddenly we go from discussing to trolling?

Android has the market share by over ten percent. iOS just recently (as in the last couple of months) passed BlackBerry to garner the number two position. RIM is committing suicide yes, but that doesn't suddenly give the title to anyones favorite player.

Stop reacting in a reactionary fashion to "protect" your beloved mobile OS and try actually reading what you're responding to. How did you miss "say Android DOES fall apart"? If Android is out of the picture Apple does have the dominant position. Your own reply even acknowledges this. Granted, that's a scenario that won't happen but read and understand what you're responding to before incorrectly tossing the troll label around. Troll doesn't mean someone that you don't agree with or someone that states something that you don't like. Splash104 is discussing.

To me those numbers don't mean anything.

You can stick your head in a hole in the ground if you want, I guess... What would you go by instead to determine who has market dominance? We can only assume you're going by gut feeling otherwise. An objective measure generally means more to people.

I want RIM to do what they're good at. Secure mobile products. I don't want them to die off, but the cornerstone of RIM is that you know your data is as safe as it can be on a mobile phone.

But there is only so much security you can have when you connect to Facebook and Twitter.

Can BB's not connect to FB or Twitter? If they can, it seems odd to use that as an argument pointing out Android security deficiencies. RIM is good at corporate and government customers and that's because of the security in their email setup as well as IT policies which allow for granular lockdowns of devices. That and centralized device management.

I have a soft spot for RIM. Don't wanna see em fail...

I used BB's for ages because they were the best option at the time but I don't understand statements like this. However, I assess products individually and brand doesn't matter to me. I personally don't get brand loyalty but I don't offer loyalty to any entity that doesn't reciprocate. If any company can't keep up then they don't need to stick around IMO. I'll happily switch as needed.

I can, however, understand the Canadians that want RIM to do well. I guess that's contradictory if you view nationalism as just another form of brand but that's my opinion for what it's worth (maybe 2 cents).

Apple is googles only true opponent in this industry. The recent string of lawsuits apple has filed against amazon, HTC, and samsung are simple proof of that.

I don't get why people single out Apple (aside from competitor fanboyism). Apple's not the only tech company that files lawsuits against competitors. I'm not saying I agree with Apple's suits but any company has to actively and aggressively attempt to protect IP.

 

[zuben el genub]

MS is now planning all-in-one OS. Which means pc, phone, tablet, and whatever else they have ( Kinect?) will all be connected.

Neowin.net - Rumor: Microsoft could dump Windows brand after Windows 8?

Rim seems to be doing some innovating:
RIM said to be prepping Apple TV competitor for fall launch

Amazon is supposed to be bringing out a tablet to compete with Ipad.

 

[_mw_]

Stop reacting in a reactionary fashion to "protect" your beloved mobile OS and try actually reading what you're responding to. How did you miss "say Android DOES fall apart"? If Android is out of the picture Apple does have the dominant position. Your own reply even acknowledges this. Granted, that's a scenario that won't happen but read and understand what you're responding to before incorrectly tossing the troll label around. Troll doesn't mean someone that you don't agree with or someone that states something that you don't like. Splash104 is discussing.

Begging your pardon? I have no desire to protect 'my beloved' mobile OS; I can be quite outspoken when it comes to using what works best for a person, be that Apple, Android, RIM, Palm... or a megaphone. A device is a device is a device and I'm not much for attaching religious fervor to electronics.

The statement about Apple was not in regards to if Android fell apart; you may want to read it again. "Apple is already..." Subjectivity being tossed around as fact can sometimes be innocently excused, but more often than not it is the epitome of troll bait.

 

[Stuntman]

You want to fight Android and win? Build a better product. I have nothing against BlackBerrys and RIM other than the fact that I don't like their products. Build a product that I like more than my Android phone and when the time comes to upgrade, I'll buy that instead of another Android or anything else.