Westboro Baptist Church and other Radicals: Enough is enough?

[Strings]

Have the guys go out and hit on the girls, and the girls go out (provocatively) hit on the guys. Wear low cut and VERY inappropriate clothes. See how they react.

Try to have the girls discuss with the male protestors, off a little bit from the group. Like they are flirting.

Offer them cigarettes and offer to help them sin.

Just surround them and engage them.

TEMPT them, but don't ARGUE with them. SEE if they come back again.

This is THE best idea of I've seen yet.

I also know that, given the Phelps' MO, eventually they WILL hit the wrong funeral. One where the media isn't present, and the cops look the other way.

Oh... OT...

Bikers? Please! As a motorcycle rider myself, I can't stand "bikers". They thing they are big, tough hard asses yet they have to join gangs and attack people in packs rather than one on one. Gangs are for pussies. Just ride!

Although I'm not in a "gang", I AM a biker. Kida resent your implications there, imtoomuch.

To understand why, hit www.bacaworld.org. Then tell me what YOU have done to help society...

 

[imtoomuch]

As am I. FYI: The gentlemen I know ride with the Barrons. Bet you don't have the stones to call a gang member a ***** to his face.

I do not condone their antics, I just know a few.

Bob Maxey

Of course I wouldn't call them that to their face. You know why? Because, as I stated before, guys in gangs need 25 people to back them. And they use guns and knives. How would that be fair? It's not. They don't fight fair. There is NEVER 1 on 1 when it comes to biker gangs. That is exactly why they are pussies. They hide behind their "brothers" and their weapons. What is funny is that a "brother" will kill another member to gain power and not even blink. Yeah that's what I call "brotherly love".

Although I'm not in a "gang", I AM a biker. Kida resent your implications there, imtoomuch.

To understand why, hit www.bacaworld.org. Then tell me what YOU have done to help society...

Come on now! Now you're just nitpicking. I ride a motorcycle, as I stated above, so I could also be considered a biker. I'm just a law-abiding rider. What have I done to help society? I went to school, got an education, and became a law-abiding person who contributes to the world by way of my profession. Do I owe society anything else? Nope.

 

[If_Only_VZW_had_iPhones]

Of course I wouldn't call them that to their face. You know why? Because, as I stated before, guys in gangs need 25 people to back them. And they use guns and knives. How would that be fair? It's not. They don't fight fair. There is NEVER 1 on 1 when it comes to biker gangs. That is exactly why they are pussies. They hide behind their "brothers" and their weapons. What is funny is that a "brother" will kill another member to gain power and not even blink. Yeah that's what I call "brotherly love".

Someone's been watching too much Gangland on History Channel

Come on now! Now you're just nitpicking. I ride a motorcycle, as I stated above, so I could also be considered a biker. I'm just a law-abiding rider. What have I done to help society? I went to school, got an education, and became a law-abiding person who contributes to the world by way of my profession. Do I owe society anything else? Nope.

you're right

 

[imtoomuch]

Someone's been watching too much Gangland on History Channel

Those shows have events similar to what has happened in reality. A Harley-riding friend of mine went to a bike show wearing a "Sons of Anarchy" T-Shirt. As a lot of us know, that is a TV show. He was surrounded by a group of bikers in one of the large, well-known biker gangs and they bullied and harassed him because of a friggin' shirt! That's how pathetic bikers gangs are.

And it's well known that bikers aren't allowed to wear their "colors" to most bike shows because it always leads to trouble. You have to realize the majority of these guys are the scum of the Earth and they are part of the gangs to sell drugs and feel tough. So don't tell me I get my info from TV shows.

 

[If_Only_VZW_had_iPhones]

you must pick horrible bike shows to attend, because my town has one every year and I go, and I have never had, nor have I seen any major problems beyond that of just individual beefs between riders.

 

[imtoomuch]

you must pick horrible bike shows to attend, because my town has one every year and I go, and I have never had, nor have I seen any major problems beyond that of just individual beefs between riders.

Yep it's my fault!

Wear a biker gang shirt or wrong color to a bike show and see what happens.

 

[If_Only_VZW_had_iPhones]

I'm not saying it's right, but I don't wearing Blue into Bloods territories. There's innocent mess ups, and there is just being stupid.

 

[imtoomuch]

I'm not saying it's right, but I don't wearing Blue into Bloods territories. There's innocent mess ups, and there is just being stupid.

So wait a second. You are suddenly agreeing with me? Before you said you wouldn't get bullied by bikers because it only happens on TV. And you said that I must only attend "horrible" bike shows because you've never had a problem. Now you are changing your mind?

 

[Strings]

Every show and event in my area of existence has had no trouble in ages. Sure you're not using outdated info?

Yes, SOME of the newer generation of bikers in the clubs get caught up in the BS. Oddly enough, the true "old schoolers" I know (who should have been where the rep CAME from) are some of the most laid-back individuals I've ever known.

And you may not owe society anything beyond what you do: that's up to you and your conscience. However, you DO owe a bit of civility to folks you meet, unless they give you reason to not extend such.

Your statement here:

Bikers? Please! As a motorcycle rider myself, I can't stand "bikers". They thing they are big, tough hard asses yet they have to join gangs and attack people in packs rather than one on one. Gangs are for pussies. Just ride!

could very easily be taken by me (or my brothers and sisters) as a personal attack. Is there something we've done that justifies it?

Oh... "fair fight". Doesn't happen outside a ring. There's a winner and a loser, however the altercation transpires. Which is why I don't fight unless absolutely necessary...

 

[imtoomuch]

Every show and event in my area of existence has had no trouble in ages. Sure you're not using outdated info?

Yes, SOME of the newer generation of bikers in the clubs get caught up in the BS. Oddly enough, the true "old schoolers" I know (who should have been where the rep CAME from) are some of the most laid-back individuals I've ever known.

And you may not owe society anything beyond what you do: that's up to you and your conscience. However, you DO owe a bit of civility to folks you meet, unless they give you reason to not extend such.

Your statement here:



could very easily be taken by me (or my brothers and sisters) as a personal attack. Is there something we've done that justifies it?

Oh... "fair fight". Doesn't happen outside a ring. There's a winner and a loser, however the altercation transpires. Which is why I don't fight unless absolutely necessary...

I never personally have had a problem either. My coworkers was harassed a couple of years ago. Is that outdated to you?

Maybe your definition and my definition of "biker" is different. I don't know who you mean when you say "we", but if you take personal offense to my comments that is your problem not mine. Do you think you are a big, tough hard ass who had to join a gang so you can attack people in packs rather than one on one?

There are fair fights. If you bring 2+ guys to beat up another man of equal size you are a coward. If you pick on somebody that is smaller than you you are a coward. If you bring weapons into an equal fight you are a coward.

 

[Strings]

Define "equal". I've seen some pretty bad-ass little guys (and gals, come to that).

The "reasonable man" argument doesn't help here ("Would a reasonable man believe..."), as you have no idea what you might be stepping into in a confrontation. hat's just the way life is...

"We" means myself, and every other person proud to wear the identifier "biker". Yes, there are some who use mass attacks and overwhelming numbers in those attacks. There are similar in many other subgroups of society: your point?

And the reason I mention "being offended" is that I try VERY hard to never offend accidently. I'm guessing you really didn't mean to say that all my brothers and sisters are cowards, based on the actions of a few. But thought I should point out the issue...

 

[If_Only_VZW_had_iPhones]

So wait a second. You are suddenly agreeing with me? Before you said you wouldn't get bullied by bikers because it only happens on TV. And you said that I must only attend "horrible" bike shows because you've never had a problem. Now you are changing your mind?

what kind of shows you go to? All I'm saying is the biker shows I go to (and we have a big one in my area, not sturgis big, but regionally big) don't have this problem.

However, if we did I would do two things
1. not go
2. if I did go, I don't go looking for trouble.

your assumption that all biker rallies have gangs I do NOT agree with.

 

[imtoomuch]

Define "equal". I've seen some pretty bad-ass little guys (and gals, come to that).

The "reasonable man" argument doesn't help here ("Would a reasonable man believe..."), as you have no idea what you might be stepping into in a confrontation. hat's just the way life is...

"We" means myself, and every other person proud to wear the identifier "biker". Yes, there are some who use mass attacks and overwhelming numbers in those attacks. There are similar in many other subgroups of society: your point?

And the reason I mention "being offended" is that I try VERY hard to never offend accidently. I'm guessing you really didn't mean to say that all my brothers and sisters are cowards, based on the actions of a few. But thought I should point out the issue...

I don't think you and I will ever see eye to eye on the fair fight discussion so I will drop it so that I don't waste my time or yours.

I am a motorcyclist, but I do not consider myself a biker. As I said, maybe our definition of biker is different. You dance around the subject of whether or not you are an outlaw in a gang. I don't understand why you are arguing with me if you are not. Most people don't like the people I am describing unless they are one themself.

I don't like scumbags of any kind - whether they ride motorcycles or not. Extremists in any group (motorcyclists, religion, politics, etc) that break laws and cause harm to others are pieces of shit.

what kind of shows you go to? All I'm saying is the biker shows I go to (and we have a big one in my area, not sturgis big, but regionally big) don't have this problem.

However, if we did I would do two things
1. not go
2. if I did go, I don't go looking for trouble.

your assumption that all biker rallies have gangs I do NOT agree with.

Did you read anything I have said? I personally have never had a problem! Believe me, I avoid trouble. It's just not worth it.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Those shows have events similar to what has happened in reality. A Harley-riding friend of mine went to a bike show wearing a "Sons of Anarchy" T-Shirt. As a lot of us know, that is a TV show. He was surrounded by a group of bikers in one of the large, well-known biker gangs and they bullied and harassed him because of a friggin' shirt! That's how pathetic bikers gangs are.

And it's well known that bikers aren't allowed to wear their "colors" to most bike shows because it always leads to trouble. You have to realize the majority of these guys are the scum of the Earth and they are part of the gangs to sell drugs and feel tough. So don't tell me I get my info from TV shows.

I am not sure I buy that. I will say that if your friend was bullied, it could be true, because the dandiest things you can imagine often happen. So nothing surprises me.

I am not surprised at the mentality of some gang members who think very little of those of us that like to ride without actually looking forward to hurting others. We ride and they ride; we never expect trouble and they often can

 

[Bob Maxey]

Yep it's my fault!

Wear a biker gang shirt or wrong color to a bike show and see what happens.

Relax, most people at bike shows do not care and you will go largely unnoticed. Just another wannabe tough guy.

That said, wear a Mongols or Hells Angles shirt anywhere and see what could happen. Probably nothing or perhaps a very bad night, indeed. Well, the HA does offer some licensed products, so you might be safe if you encounter a chapter member that knows the product you are wearing is officially licensed.

Then again, a Mongols member might slit your throat because they despise Hells Angles.

Wearing the colors however could get you killed. For you decent folks on the list,

 

[Bob Maxey]

Of course I wouldn't call them that to their face. You know why? Because, as I stated before, guys in gangs need 25 people to back them. And they use guns and knives. How would that be fair? It's not. They don't fight fair. There is NEVER 1 on 1 when it comes to biker gangs. That is exactly why they are pussies. They hide behind their "brothers" and their weapons. What is funny is that a "brother" will kill another member to gain power and not even blink. Yeah that's what I call "brotherly love".


Come on now! Now you're just nitpicking. I ride a motorcycle, as I stated above, so I could also be considered a biker. I'm just a law-abiding rider. What have I done to help society? I went to school, got an education, and became a law-abiding person who contributes to the world by way of my profession. Do I owe society anything else? Nope.

Well, so what? Perhaps if you do not confront a gang member, you will be ahead of the game. Yes, they use weapons, but it is also true that they are tough individually. For the most part, anyway.

And yes, fight one, you fight them all. So what? Fairness matters very little. Want to avoid problems? leave them alone and chances are, they will not bother with you.

Bob Maxey

 

[imtoomuch]

So perhaps this gang you mentioned did hassle your friend for wearing a SOA shirt. Or perhaps you made it up because you think all bike gangs are like the Bloods and Crips where colors do matter; they matter allot. I would be curious to know what

 

[Strings]

There HAVE been issues with MCs giving people trouble over what they wear. One I'm well aware of is the standing offer from the Outlaws for any Black Label Society shirts or jackets (one of BLS's designs is VERY close to the logo of the Outlaws). however, they don't try to just take stuff: they offer someone wearing such an item at a bike event a replacement with their logo...

I think you've bought into hype a bit. Yes, there ARE problem children in the MC world. Congrats: they're a subculture of society, and every such has it's problem children. Why not raise hell about the anarchists (do a Google search on the World Bank riots), or Christian Fundamentalists, or gay bashers, or... ?

Oh... how am I dancing around an issue when I posted a link to the group I belong to? I seem to be missing something there...

 

[imtoomuch]

There HAVE been issues with MCs giving people trouble over what they wear. One I'm well aware of is the standing offer from the Outlaws for any Black Label Society shirts or jackets (one of BLS's designs is VERY close to the logo of the Outlaws). however, they don't try to just take stuff: they offer someone wearing such an item at a bike event a replacement with their logo...

I think you've bought into hype a bit. Yes, there ARE problem children in the MC world. Congrats: they're a subculture of society, and every such has it's problem children. Why not raise hell about the anarchists (do a Google search on the World Bank riots), or Christian Fundamentalists, or gay bashers, or... ?

Oh... how am I dancing around an issue when I posted a link to the group I belong to? I seem to be missing something there...

I never said there aren't problem children in other segments. If you look five posts above your last you will see I mentioned other extremists. But we are talking about motorcycle gangs.

So basically you agree with me and you're just arguing for no reason?

 

[Strings]

I'm arguing with the broad brush you're using. Again:

Bikers? Please! As a motorcycle rider myself, I can't stand "bikers". They thing they are big, tough hard asses yet they have to join gangs and attack people in packs rather than one on one. Gangs are for pussies. Just ride!

You're painting an entire subculture based on the actions of a small segment. Let's change that a bit...

Droiders? Please! As an Android user myself, I can't stand "droiders". They thing they are big, tough hard asses yet they have to join gangs and attack people in packs rather than one on one. Gangs are for pussies. Just droid!

Might not scan quite as well, but it amounts to the same damn thing.

You have issue with a certain segment of the MC world. It's not a difficult segment to avoid: generally speaking, they leave you alone if you leave them alone...

 

[clutchy]

don't ever get into the habit of trashing a human right b/c you don't like it.

these are human rights and we have them b/c we're human, not b/c the .gov said we can. WE formed this government and it's a reflection of our beliefs.

 

[Chaznsc]

don't ever get into the habit of trashing a human right b/c you don't like it.

these are human rights and we have them b/c we're human, not b/c the .gov said we can. WE formed this government and it's a reflection of our beliefs.

Im not sure which side of the argument you are supporting, but hate-speach isnt what the founding fathers had in mind. These people take freedom of speech way outside the boundaries of decent and right. You cant scream fire in a crowded theater. Why should we be able to make hate filled comments to folks who are grieving? If this was a gay rights issue, the tables would soon flip.

The right to do reasonable things is FREEDOM, the right to do what you want is ANARCHY.

 

[clutchy]

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably

 

[clutchy]

Im not sure which side of the argument you are supporting, but hate-speach isnt what the founding fathers had in mind. These people take freedom of speech way outside the boundaries of decent and right. You cant scream fire in a crowded theater. Why should we be able to make hate filled comments to folks who are grieving? If this was a gay rights issue, the tables would soon flip.

The right to do reasonable things is FREEDOM, the right to do what you want is ANARCHY.

What is decent and right?

Who decides those qualifiers?

Is decent and right the same to all people?

I hope you see where I'm going with this...

 

[byteware]

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably

So, you believe that they should have the freedom to infringe on the family's right to grieve in peace at the funeral?

No one has a right to infringe on the rights of others.

No one is censoring their speech.

No one is forbidding their thoughts.

No one is denying their freedom.

We are simply saying that there are OTHER rights at play that may supercede this right in THIS situation.