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What can the iphone do that android can't?

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bjacks12 said:
S3 is getting 4.4 KitKat. That's been confirmed. Probably around March/April.

I will agree that Samsung is being left in the dust by HTC and Motorola right now. I hope they're embarrassed, but more likely they just don't give a damn. Like Apple, they assume that we are all just iDiots. They may be correct. At least as far as tech goes. Most of my friends had no idea an update existed for their Nexus 4's until either I told them or their phone told them to update. They were perfectly happy beforehand.

You'll find that those of us who care about getting timely updates are in the minority.
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I think you got it backwards. HTC's share is dropping. They're literally losing money in the latest news I've seen. They've been selling shares to some of their stuff. And Motorola is just starting to get back on track now with Google at the helm. The gap between Samsung and those two are just huge. Even LG is doing better than HTC and Motorola right now. And then you say Nexus 4, which is not even Samsung made. I take a look at Samsung devices and the only knock you can give them really is plastic construction. In other stuff they seem to produce better products than most of the competition. And when I look at the competitors, LG is rising fast to challenge. HTC is getting lost. Samsung and LG are the ones who actually provide timely updates as possible to their better selling devices.
 
Timely updates? You're kidding, right? The Galaxy S3 is one of their highest sellers and it's still held back in 4.1.2, might get 4.3 but 4.4? Maybe never. That's what I hate about android. If you want the latest OS, root and flash a custom ROM which requires wiping your user data and saved game progress. (I've tried to dirty flash but it always causes a boot loop)

Meanwhile to get iOS 7 onto an iPhone 4 (older than the S3) just hit settings, general, software update. No wipe, no jailbreak, no fuss
 
nickdalzell said:
Better than not getting *anything* like the stock Galaxy S3, which *might* get Android 4.3 this April.
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The 4.3 upgrade for the SGS3 has rolled out to Sprint, US Cellular, T-Mobile, AT&T.

If you're on Verizon, your complaint is with them, not Android.

Google can't change that.

They produce an open source operating system.

The members of the Open Handset Alliance are free to use it and customize it.

Samsung turns it into Touchwiz, based on Android.

Carriers in the USA form contractual relationships for sales and support.

Google has clearly provided a 4.3 that is suitable for the Open Handset Alliance.

Samsung has found it acceptable to customize for their hardware and software.

Most carriers have found it acceptable for their networks.

If you have to wait until April, your complaint is not with Android.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/11/27/samsung-galaxy-s3-expect-android-4-3/
 
Then explain why that whole mess with the carriers is never an issue with iOS upgrades? By your reasoning, Verizon would also hold back iOS 6 and 7 from Verizon iPhones
 
nickdalzell said:
Then explain why that whole mess with the carriers is never an issue with iOS upgrades?
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Because Steve Jobs was a unparalleled freaking marketing genius and because he had the right vision.

And I said so on Slashdot when the first iPhone launched on AT&T and the entire industry was laughing at what a babe in the woods he was. I lmbo'd at the AT&T CEO who thought he had Steverino over a barrel - including having Apple having to handle those pesky updates.

Eventually, the iPhone went into demand and carriers wanted it to compete for that market segment against AT&T.

Apple is about direct control and it was a seller's market.

Carriers screwing up support updates did not begin with Android - and Steve saw the problem.

He also was building a direct-to-customer supply chain at the time.

Even the Galaxy Nexus got hit by Verizon marketing politics (and that wasn't due to CDMA, the Sprint GNex customers were not in the same boat).

Motorola has started on the path to wising up.

We've seen them use the Play Store to fix bundled apps that previously would have required an incremental update and another chicken dance with the carriers.

I hope others follow suit.

The rest of the Nexus discussions about updating and the opinions about older Android being ahead of newer iOS aren't on point to your question and you've seen them so let's skip all that. :p

The answer is Steve Jobs was a genius, built a better upgrade mousetrap, and a lot of people respect that. :)
nickdalzell said:
By your reasoning, Verizon would also hold back iOS 6 and 7 from Verizon iPhones
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It's not reasoning, it's a set of facts. :)

And I've inadvertently answered that while you were adding that while I was typing. ;)
 
There are a few things like touch I'd and panaramic pictures. But other then that I can't think of anything else. I stopped using iOS after a while.
 
nickdalzell said:
Timely updates? You're kidding, right? The Galaxy S3 is one of their highest sellers and it's still held back in 4.1.2, might get 4.3 but 4.4? Maybe never. That's what I hate about android. If you want the latest OS, root and flash a custom ROM which requires wiping your user data and saved game progress. (I've tried to dirty flash but it always causes a boot loop)

Meanwhile to get iOS 7 onto an iPhone 4 (older than the S3) just hit settings, general, software update. No wipe, no jailbreak, no fuss
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It's hard to take a person seriously when they exaggerate.

The S3, as has been pointed out by myself and others, has already received the 4.3 update. The 4.4 update details have been leaked (supports Knox). The S3 is getting 4.4. Samsung may not be the fastest with updates, but they support their phones for a long time.

You're absolutely correct about the iPhone vs. Android update situation, but you don't need to exaggerate to prove it. iOS is an Apple OS. Android is meant as an open OS that is freely modified by the OEM, the carrier, and if desired, the user as well. The base OS allows for compatibility with the same apps while it can be modified by the OEM/carrier to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers.

Because of this flexibility, Android can never have the ease of updating that iOS enjoys. At least not on today's hardware. If you prefer iOS, it's a very nice OS. Move to it. No one here is stopping you. I use Android and my wife uses iOS, and I do see the advantages to both.

Also, if you're bootlooping after flashing a custom ROM, you're doing it wrong. You do NOT need to wipe data if you're simply upgrading the same ROM (IE, CM 11 to CM 11.1), though it's recommended as a way to avoid liability. Back when I did Liberation for the HTC Incredible, so long as you only upgraded to stable releases, you NEVER had to wipe data. If you're doing dailies/nightlies/betas, then yes, wipe data.
 
nickdalzell said:
Then explain why that whole mess with the carriers is never an issue with iOS upgrades? By your reasoning, Verizon would also hold back iOS 6 and 7 from Verizon iPhones
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as Earlymon said...


Verizon wanted to be able to sell iphone products.. to compete with ATT.
they wanted it really really bad.. and apple is the ONLY source of iphones.
so i am sure they had to agree to a lot of stuff..
they had to follow what apple wanted..
Verizon can not hold anything back that apple wants to push to their products.

android products.. have many providers.. and all are fighting for store space.
so.. Verizon has more leverage on them.
Verizon is the biggest carrier in usa... so they have a better negotiation standpoint....
so V did not agree to be the pushed around on their network.
and only push out things that help them make $$$...

pretty simple line of deductions... don't u agree?
 
nickdalzell said:
Timely updates? You're kidding, right? The Galaxy S3 is one of their highest sellers and it's still held back in 4.1.2, might get 4.3 but 4.4? Maybe never. That's what I hate about android.
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Don't you mean "That's what I hate about Samsung."? ..or HTC, Huawei, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc. etc. Want to get the latest updates in a timely manner and direct from Google instead? Then get a Nexus phone. :thumbup: The S3 has got 4.3 now AFAIK..but if it's a carrier flavoured subsidised version, it may not have though.

The iPhone can still be a very desirable and prestige phone, and can be reassuringly expensive as well. It's a great asset and maybe even be considered a privilege to have it in their range. Carriers have to have it on Apple's terms, which means they're not allowed to customise, cripple or put bloatware/ads on it, and any updates come directly from Apple of course. I'm sure China Mobile, the world's largest carrier, would love to be able to offer it, but so far no dice. Where I am, the iPhone is like a Gucci handbag, and can only be sold by select dealers or boutiques.

Even in the United States, seems it's a privilege for a carrier to be able to sell the iPhone.
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/14/cricket-to-offer-iphone-5s-and-iphone-5c-starting-october-25/

The only cellphones that I would consider to more exclusive than the iPhone, are Goldvish and Vertu, and the Vertu Ti is Android.
 
nickdalzell said:
Why isn't the Nexus line affected by carrier standstills?
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After the carrier politics that came with the Galaxy Nexus, Google decided it was done dealing with it. So the sold the Nexus 4 and the data enabled Nexus 7 as unsubsidized unlocked gsm devices. Thus, they circumvent the entire carrier process because there are no carrier specific version, it's one model for all. Being GSM, all you need is a sim card and you're good to go. They repeated this formula for the 2013 LTE Nexus 7 & Nexus 5, but things got better and worse. First, carrier politics crept back in because Google decided to test the C Block regulations on Verizon's LTE with the Nexus 7 and Verizon refused to activate it on new sim cards (and still doesn't to this day). However it appears that Sprint is willing to let Google control the updates on the Nexus 5 after not doing so on the Galaxy Nexus.
 
nickdalzell said:
Why isn't the Nexus line affected by carrier standstills?
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Simple, they're not sold by carriers. Which means they're not subsidised, customised, crippled, locked, bloatware, ads, etc. You're buying them from Google. You're getting Android as Google intended and Google themselves pushes out the updates. And not how Samsung, Verizon, Sprint, NFL, NASCAR, God, or whatever decides. AFAIK Nexus is intended as a reference platform, to showcase how Google would like Android to be. But manufacturers, along with carriers and their sponsors, are very much free to do whatever they like with it. Which is a complete opposite of iOS.

There's probably very few phone makers that can dictate terms to carriers in the same way that Apple can. Vertu would be one, but their Androids start at around $10,000 each.
 
nickdalzell said:
Why isn't the Nexus line affected by carrier standstills?
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To add to what others have said, carriers REALLY get in the way. Newer flagship devices may only be held up by 1-4 months, but older devices are held up extensively.

For example, if you owned an unlocked Galaxy S2, the 4.1 update went out starting in January 2013. If you had a US carrier-branded version, that update landed starting in August (for some carriers), a 7 month difference. This was after the S4 landed.

If you get an unlocked handset, you get the update direct from the OEM, which me faster (and longer) update support.
 
Now that Boost is offering the iPhone I may have to take the plunge and get the 5s. The only downside is paying over five-hundred bucks for it, but after dealing with some of the headaches associated with Android it may just be worth it.
 
desktop said:
Now that Boost is offering the iPhone I may have to take the plunge and get the 5s. The only downside is paying over five-hundred bucks for it, but after dealing with some of the headaches associated with Android it may just be worth it.
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What issues are you having? What android phones have you tried?

If you spend $200 off contract on an android its going to be outperformed by the iPhone, but if you put android and iOS on equal footing with comparable devices you shouldn't have issues with either.
 
iPhone's advantages over Android smartphones:
1. Physical mute switch. It amuses me that my sister has to download an app to simulate a silence button.
2. Long-term device support. The iPhone 4 and the iPad 2 can both run iOS 7, and the iPhone 3GS made it all the way to iOS 6. No Android smartphone/tablet has been, or ever will be, supported for this long.
3. Touch ID.
4. 64-bit operating system.
5. iPhone's app store blows everyone else out of the water.
6. Customer service. Apple is #1, and it's hit-and-miss with all the Android hardware manufacturers. See my post history for my complaints against Google.
 
frame_of_mind said:
iPhone's advantages over Android smartphones:
1. Physical mute switch. It amuses me that my sister has to download an app to simulate a silence button.
2. Long-term device support. The iPhone 4 and the iPad 2 can both run iOS 7, and the iPhone 3GS made it all the way to iOS 6. No Android smartphone/tablet has been, or ever will be, supported for this long.
3. Touch ID.
4. 64-bit operating system.
5. iPhone's app store blows everyone else out of the water.
6. Customer service. Apple is #1, and it's hit-and-miss with all the Android hardware manufacturers. See my post history for my complaints against Google.
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1) I don't see the functional difference between a switch or holding down the volume key til you get to mute, or downloading an app. Muting is muting.

2)This has been covered in this thread plenty of times. iOS 7 is crippled on older devices.

3) Technically android had it years ago, but its use is still subjective. I don't use a pin lock on my phone, a fingerprint scanner would be useless for me

4) ...64-bit OS is great and all, but is there actually any improvement or is it just having a feature to have it?

5)Fairly relative. I haven't had a need to search for an app that hasn't been filled with a available options. Sure there are exclusives for one OS or the other but I'm not sure I'd call that superior. Try to get anything apple doesn't want you to have from the app store. Won't happen, and you'll have to jailbreak to get it. Meanwhile android users can just sideload it.

6) Relative again. I've never had an issue with any manufacturer or my carrier with customer service. I've owned HTC, Samsung, and LG devices. Including multiple nexii and dealing with Google.
 
Iphones are for 16 year old girls. Android is for more sophisticated people that have more knowledge about how you can manipulate an OS.
 
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