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What do you think about survivalists/preppers?

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controlling what goes on the internet...

I cant even express how ... futile that would be .. it cant be done.
 
dan330 said:
controlling what goes on the internet...

I cant even express how ... futile that would be .. it cant be done.
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Its not about control, but common sense (or lack thereof) about posting "sensitive" things. They dont have to be a genius to understand "people are always watching" and those things can be used by others to harm them or anyone.

BUT to argue the other side as well
Without people freely posting those things, the "uneducated" (anyone, anywhere without existing knowledge) would never learn those things. Which is how a lot of people learn, because we all start out uneducated. That is how we grow.
 
Seriously, does anyone really think that terrorists are that dumb? Knowing a civilized society's weaknesses is common sense itself. There's nothing anybody could say that they haven't thought of already. Underestimating them like that is the mistake.
 
I was thinking of the "common sense" grounds @HasH_BrowN mentioned. Just cuz you can use and clean a weapon safely doesn't mean it's OK to leave information or access to a child, while expecting them to not touch due to the parent's common sense (or lack thereof). No. Ppl hide stuff outta the way for eager or demented hands that DON'T have that common sense. I'm just saying to use YOUR common sense and be more selective on what you make publicly available. Unfortunately, ppl can be horrible and ppl with an agenda can be far more dangerous.
 
Gmash said:
Seriously, does anyone really think that terrorists are that dumb? Knowing a civilized society's weaknesses is common sense itself. There's nothing anybody could say that they haven't thought of already. Underestimating them like that is the mistake.
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Allowing them critical info just cuz is being blinded by ur ego.. I certainly wouldn't post my lock combo/pswd for other ppl to take advantage of.. Think about it.
 
Somehow I doubt would be terrorists would be searching AF for hints and tips.

Having said that I bet cyber criminals look at sites like ours to get info on they latest root exploits.
 
For most "preppers" (I am one) it's more about having access to the big 4 (shelter, fire, water, food, in that order) and the means to survive for at least one full week, preferably two.

The majority of "SHTF" scenarios are likely to be somewhat short term, such as a chemical plant explosion, a local earthquake, flooding, storm, volcano or whatever possible/likely hazards you have locally. Such situations are likely to be mostly resolved within a few days.

If things go on for more than a few days then yes, you WILL see a total collapse of supply chains. Local stuff will be snatched up in panic and no new supplies will be coming until things are back to "normal", or close enough to normal that companies will risk paying for and shipping entire container loads again.

Remember, modern stores work on a "just in time" ordering system, to reduce waste and space requirements. without restocking you'd have empty shelves within a week anyway, plus factor in panic buying or looting and you can make it 72 hours or less.

The really big scenarios, where the system goes down for months or years cannot be prepared for with any expectation of comfort, purely survival.

The concept of heading off out into the boonies doesn't make much sense, unless you already have a totally secret stash that will sustain you for much longer than the time spent getting there and back. Again, for most scenarios things will be back to normal(ish) within a few days. If not, then you are better off within a supportive community than trying to fend for yourself - for all the reasons that you are currently living in one now!

I'd go further and say being on a farm within a couple of day's hiking from a city is probably the most dangerous place to be in a true SHTF scenario, as you'd have gangs of idiots all having the same idea.

Finally let me stress those big 4 again

Shelter - from sun, from cold, from rain etc.
Fire - for cooking, boiling, sterilizing, mending, light, heat etc
Water - you can survive more than a week without food but you have 3 days max without water, especially in hot places or if exerting yourself
Food - obviously important but actually the least of the main 4 worries.

If interested in such things I also suggest you look into the 10 essentials for camping, as in a truly bad scenario the ability to be mobile and/or hidden is more valuable than a stockpile of ammo.

And I still hate my S6.
 
secretsquirrel said:
For most "preppers" (I am one) it's more about having access to the big 4 (shelter, fire, water, food, in that order) and the means to survive for at least one full week, preferably two.

The majority of "SHTF" scenarios are likely to be somewhat short term, such as a chemical plant explosion, a local earthquake, flooding, storm, volcano or whatever possible/likely hazards you have locally. Such situations are likely to be mostly resolved within a few days.

If things go on for more than a few days then yes, you WILL see a total collapse of supply chains. Local stuff will be snatched up in panic and no new supplies will be coming until things are back to "normal", or close enough to normal that companies will risk paying for and shipping entire container loads again.

Remember, modern stores work on a "just in time" ordering system, to reduce waste and space requirements. without restocking you'd have empty shelves within a week anyway, plus factor in panic buying or looting and you can make it 72 hours or less.

The really big scenarios, where the system goes down for months or years cannot be prepared for with any expectation of comfort, purely survival.

The concept of heading off out into the boonies doesn't make much sense, unless you already have a totally secret stash that will sustain you for much longer than the time spent getting there and back. Again, for most scenarios things will be back to normal(ish) within a few days. If not, then you are better off within a supportive community than trying to fend for yourself - for all the reasons that you are currently living in one now!

I'd go further and say being on a farm within a couple of day's hiking from a city is probably the most dangerous place to be in a true SHTF scenario, as you'd have gangs of idiots all having the same idea.

Finally let me stress those big 4 again

Shelter - from sun, from cold, from rain etc.
Fire - for cooking, boiling, sterilizing, mending, light, heat etc
Water - you can survive more than a week without food but you have 3 days max without water, especially in hot places or if exerting yourself
Food - obviously important but actually the least of the main 4 worries.

If interested in such things I also suggest you look into the 10 essentials for camping, as in a truly bad scenario the ability to be mobile and/or hidden is more valuable than a stockpile of ammo.

And I still hate my S6.
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Nice. :)
 
My 41 year old son has gotten caught up in the "dooms day" scenario.
he wastes tons of money keeping food in a fridge, dry goods in a closet, big freezers running all the time....

Personally, short of an EMP explosion in the central USA, we will never have a scenario where there is a problem for more than a few days. Winter conditions already put pressure on folks who live in the northern climates. they plan for it, and get by.

I'm in Oklahoma.... a power pole goes down in a high wind, or a car crashes thru a power pole..... I once had to wait 18 hours to get power back in a bad Ice Storm... no generator at the time.... we lost our TV, and our internet.

but our Kindles and cellphones all kept on working just fine, the fireplace works just fine, we were warm, the water lines were okay, the toilets were flushing, the car's had gas in them, I could drive 5 miles away and find a store open and get more milk, or cereal, or eggs...

I'm not going to worry about the Big bomb..... I won't live long enough to worry about it anyway, even if it were to ever happen.

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I ordered up a 10kw dual fuel generator a couple of days ago, it will run 1 hour on 0.6 gallons of gasoline.
Or, it will run 9 hours on a BBQ grill's propane bottle. I have two big 20 gallon propane bottles on my TT out back, so that is 72 hours of continuous running if ever needed... I also have five 5 gallon plastic fuel cans that I use for my lawn tractor and motorcycle... those can be added to the 20 gallons of propane to extend the running time to almost a week.
 
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