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Whitehouse petition to change cell unlock laws tops 100k signatures...

I'd be interested in knowing if a single one of these petitions has ever changed anything. To my knowledge not a single one has.
 
A.Nonymous said:
I'd be interested in knowing if a single one of these petitions has ever changed anything. To my knowledge not a single one has.
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Me too. You make an interesting point and my guess is very few actually go very far. At least we the people are trying, so perhaps that is something, I suppose.

What works are letters to your congressmen and women and letters to your carriers and other involved parties saying we do not like this, stop it, NOW or we will find a new congressman and a new carrier!

What would be better is if most of us voted and paid attention after the fact. The last thing any politician wants is a majority of informed voters that like to recall those that BS us. They would hate 98% turnout and those that vote calling their elected officials on the carpet when those we elect decide not to follow through with campaign promises.

If most senators or congressman learned that most of their voters do not like something and if they want to be reelected they better change it, things get done.
 
The problem is people threaten to oust the congress critter and then never do. Honestly, we bring this crap on ourselves because we elect the same morons we hate every year.
 
ATT/Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile lobbyists in washington - they want to take our guns away & now we can't unlock cell phones anymore either.....whats next no fast food :()
 
Caleb L said:
ATT/Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile lobbyists in washington - they want to take our guns away & now we can't unlock cell phones anymore either.....whats next no fast food :()
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The lobbyists from the cell phone companies simply pressured the government into making unlocking illegal in a vain attempt to keep customers. I assure you they have no concern of your guns. I'm sure Obama didn't bother authorizing the unlock law, considering it came from the Librarian of whatever...But there is precious little Obama actually authorizes that isn't just authorized with the auto-pen.
 
Caleb L said:
ATT/Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile lobbyists in washington - they want to take our guns away & now we can't unlock cell phones anymore either.....whats next no fast food :()
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Read the news.

There are laws out there to ban super sized foods, salt on the public dining table and other crazy crap. Fast food is most certainly in the cross-hairs.

There are trans-fat bans, sugar bans, bans on fast food joints themselves. Some schools are banning cupcakes. One school recently banned homemade lunches.

So yes, fast food is on its way out.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Read the news.

There are laws out there to ban super sized foods, salt on the public dining table and other crazy crap. Fast food is most certainly in the cross-hairs.

There are trans-fat bans, sugar bans, bans on fast food joints themselves. Some schools are banning cupcakes. One school recently banned homemade lunches.

So yes, fast food is on its way out.
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I don't think it's on its way out. Rather, it's going to become healthier. We're gonna see more healthy sandwiches, more fruit/vegetables, and slightly fresher foods. Think Cosi, Chipotle or Starbucks compared to the "old" McDonalds or Dairy Queen. Fast food will change, hopefully for the better, but it won't ever disappear.
 
when fast food all becomes "healthy" it will be the original greasy meaty food joints that become rich.... its a very small percentage who eat that garbage......... the overwhelming majority of americans want 'unhealthy' foods and will continue to want them....... despite the overbearing mindset of the meddlers
 
I love living in a country that tells me how to live my life and still has the nerve to tell me that we have the freedom to make our own choices..

I bought my phone, straight up.. How can they tell me I don't have the right to unlock it? Is it not actually my phone? You know how to keep customers and make them happy? Look at lowering rates to compete with low budget competitors that everyone is turning to. If they did this people wouldn't be as upset.. Verizon no longer has add a line for $10 now they have the share all plan, while that is nice for families, it isn't really ideal for a couple. My gf and I were going to do the add a line because then it would have been $100 between the two of us with 4GB of data to share, but now it would have to be something like $150 for 2 gb of data to share. Thats why I am jumping ship and going for a $45 a month plan this summer.. or I can get a phone from my employer and not have to pay at all.

Everyone has the power to control what they eat and drink. I quit drinking pop "cold turkey" and haven't had one for just about a year, I lost 5lbs a month for the first 3 months, I started walking to work on top of that and now I have started to be more conscience about what I eat and now I am down to the weight I was at two years ago and feeling better. I don't need the government to tell me how to live cause it seems like I have a pretty good idea myself how to live MY life
 
I was going to say everything's fine in moderation however, on reflection, maybe you should avoid cyanide altogether .. :)

Re the original issue: this is exactly the sort of thing you can look forward to following the Citizens United ruling. If you allow unfettered bribery - sorry, lobbying - of politicians, then the paymasters are going to get everything the way they want it.

One of the prime reasons you have an elected government is to able to control the excesses of private individuals and corporations. Obviously, they were pretty much getting their own way already but that ruling essentially means you (and because of US influence on internation rules, the rest of us) can kiss your derriere good bye when it comes to fair treatment by business.
 
SiempreTuna said:
I was going to say everything's fine in moderation however, on reflection, maybe you should avoid cyanide altogether .. :)

Re the original issue: this is exactly the sort of thing you can look forward to following the Citizens United ruling. If you allow unfettered bribery - sorry, lobbying - of politicians, then the paymasters are going to get everything the way they want it.

One of the prime reasons you have an elected government is to able to control the excesses of private individuals and corporations. Obviously, they were pretty much getting their own way already but that ruling essentially means you (and because of US influence on internation rules, the rest of us) can kiss your derriere good bye when it comes to fair treatment by business.
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LOL . . . without cyanide and 40 or so other dangerous chemicals as well as some trace amounts of chemicals not allowed by the drug enforcement folks, we would have no chocolate.:D

And one of the reasons we vote is to eliminate the bad ones. We are getting exactly what we have long begged for. Now we must live with what we get.
 
Bob Maxey said:
LOL . . . without cyanide and 40 or so other dangerous chemicals as well as some trace amounts of chemicals not allowed by the drug enforcement folks, we would have no chocolate.:D
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What?! No chocolate?!!

Cyanide is now my friend.

In chocolate, if not moderation.
 
huntersquid said:
I don't think it's on its way out. Rather, it's going to become healthier. We're gonna see more healthy sandwiches, more fruit/vegetables, and slightly fresher foods. Think Cosi, Chipotle or Starbucks compared to the "old" McDonalds or Dairy Queen. Fast food will change, hopefully for the better, but it won't ever disappear.
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Sounds like you are supporting socialism to me. Whether or not someone wants to eat a greasy cheeseburger with fries should be entirely up to them. And there should NEVER be a law against selling them.

If you want to eat more fruit and vegetables, like I do, then just go buy some. Why do you support criminalizing someone who wants a cheeseburger today?

Would you also support registering your daily meals so the government can monitor your calorie/fat intake to make sure you are not going over what they have deemed "healthy" levels and then fining or incarcerating those that violate the set standards?
 
PrinceCorwin said:
Sounds like you are supporting socialism to me. Whether or not someone wants to eat a greasy cheeseburger with fries should be entirely up to them. And there should NEVER be a law against selling them.

If you want to eat more fruit and vegetables, like I do, then just go buy some. Why do you support criminalizing someone who wants a cheeseburger today?

Would you also support registering your daily meals so the government can monitor your calorie/fat intake to make sure you are not going over what they have deemed "healthy" levels and then fining or incarcerating those that violate the set standards?
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Well said, PrinceCorwin.
 
PrinceCorwin said:
Would you also support registering your daily meals so the government can monitor your calorie/fat intake to make sure you are not going over what they have deemed "healthy" levels and then fining or incarcerating those that violate the set standards?
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Please read the full Obama Care bill and I guarantee, food monitoring is the least scary thing to fret over.

Perhaps those on food stamps should be monitored. They buy crap and junk food which is not always a good thing. Since it is my tax dollars funding the new HC, I have a say so in how the dollars are spent.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Please read the full Obama Care bill and I guarantee, food monitoring is the least scary thing to fret over.

Perhaps those on food stamps should be monitored. They buy crap and junk food which is not always a good thing. Since it is my tax dollars funding the new HC, I have a say so in how the dollars are spent.
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I can agree with that, being that food stamps money actually belongs to the tax payers; and you are right... we should have a say in what can be purchased with them. But I hope that everyone sees the difference between unearned government assistance and hard earned money. If I want to buy or sell a hot fudge Crisco sundae with my earned wages, I should be able to as long as I adhere to the FDA by letting the ingredients be clearly understood.
 
huntersquid said:
I don't think it's on its way out. Rather, it's going to become healthier. We're gonna see more healthy sandwiches, more fruit/vegetables, and slightly fresher foods. Think Cosi, Chipotle or Starbucks compared to the "old" McDonalds or Dairy Queen. Fast food will change, hopefully for the better, but it won't ever disappear.
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Have you ever actually been to a Starbucks? Do you honestly think that anything they sell is healthy? Cream filled pastries and sugar saturated triple-shot coffee beverages... I do love them but they are NOT healthy. Just FYI
 
Okay folks, I know that this is the Politics and Current Affairs forum, but that doesn't mean that this thread (or any other) is a free-for-all. This thread is about The White House petition to change the unlock laws for cell phones. Now we're on food stamps.

We need to stick to the original topic. If that topic has run its course, then it's time to close the thread.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation :)
 
Making it illegal to un-lock our cell phones is just another step towards that Jerks Socialistic Agenda to take our God given RIGHTS away... Yes, rights not privileges... I'm curious, is it harder for the Government to tap an unlocked cell phone? Or a rooted one? Bill
 
32blownhemi said:
Making it illegal to un-lock our cell phones is just another step towards that Jerks Socialistic Agenda to take our God given RIGHTS away... Yes, rights not privileges... I'm curious, is it harder for the Government to tap an unlocked cell phone? Or a rooted one? Bill
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Everything goes through the cell tower and associated computer systems, so I would imagine, rooted, jailbroken or not, they (them, whoever they or them be) can get you. So stop those prank calls :).

Here in Utah, the NSA is building a vast data center designed specifically for data collection and cell calls will be something they will look at.

Incidentally, my brother did some work out there and he tells me they do not have a funny bone.

"Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy."

They will be dealing with yottabytes of data. That is to say, 1,000 zettabytes= 1YB. I did not know numbers could get that big: 1000000000000000000000000 bytes.

I would hope a petetition would do something, but I really have not read anything about its impact. My guess is no, it failed or it will be evaluated down the road. And then ignored, perhaps.
 
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