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Why we should support iphone fanboys...

* For prospective buyers, Android pro argument is innovation, the con side for newcomers is sorting out which phone to get or why they don't all look the same.(*)

Let me rephrase this just a bit to see how this statement holds up:

"And the cons side for Car newcomers is sorting out which car to get or why they don't all look the same."


In every other thing we buy, we compare and determine what performs best and has the best features before we buy. That's not a con. It's called choice.
 
Let me rephrase this just a bit to see how this statement holds up:

"And the cons side for Car newcomers is sorting out which car to get or why they don't all look the same."


In every other thing we buy, we compare and determine what performs best and has the best features before we buy. That's not a con. It's called choice.

Now we're getting somewhere.

That's a perfect example of a mature market without fragmentation.

Allow me to build on your example. There was a time not long ago where choices were pretty simple - you basically bought a Motorola, a Sony-Ericsson, or a Nokia. It was like that. If you wanted something esoteric for business, you got a BlackBerry.

Things evolved, every nut and his uncle got a foothold, everyone wanted smart phones, Apple saw the opportunity and marketed the concept: iPhone.

Despite it's strengths or weaknesses, it became a market force.

Now, something called Android comes along to serve that same market, only better, as well as the market that the iPhone can't and never will serve.

That's my starting point for the discussion, it's simple, it goes like this:

1. With 58 million Android buyers this year, how can we do better? Are we missing something?

2. Yes.

3. Anecdotal example: Joe and Mary Blow go to cell phone store. They're not sure what Android phone is, but they've heard it's better than an iPhone, so they know they want to check it out. They're the typical, reasonable, well-informed consumer. (Think about it - for non-forum dwellers and a lot of people - that is well-informed, and we would agree they're on the right track.) At this point, their entire mindset is integrated.

4. They've seen ads for or have seen an iPhone. They know it's a thing. They ask to see the Android Phone. For a great many, this is their introduction to Android being a not a thing but a class of things.

5. The response dis-integrates their mindset. Step one, accept that Android is a class. Step two, choose within the class.

6. For a great many people, the bridge between step one and step two is huge. They've just had their approach to their purchase decision invalidated.

7. The buyer at that point can be validly said to be perceiving, in their mind, a fragmented situation. They haven't made the leap to choice, they're cavitating at their decision process being wrong.

And like it or not, many will then turn back to the iPhone, not because they're stoopid, old ladies or have insufficient gentalia - but because it's just a phone and they have more important things to think about. They have lives.

If you go back and look at the original post I made, I'll think you'll find that I never made the huge deal about fragmentation that's been laid on me.

Originally Posted by tmaxey1:
Android is selling 160k phones a day. That was from google at the Droid X release today. Imagine that. 160k per day. Sure it takes some getting used to. But that is changing more each day. I dont think a person will have a hard time figuring out an evo. Its not that complicated.

Emphasis mine. I reasonably questioned that. I didn't argue. I even said I was leaning towards disagreeing with that.

First thing I did was to help everyone out, and provided a web reference supporting the claim by tmaxey1.

Next thing I did was re-phrase the numbers - 58 mm Android vs. 44 mm iPhone projected sales in next year.

Next thing I tried to point out - in my own, calm way at the time - is that there's a lot of selection in Android. I used the proper term - to the newest shoppers, it's fragmented.

The obvious intelligent conclusion is that I'm questioning how suddenly EVOs are so easy to figure out, in a sea of Android, against a unified product with maturity.

I simply raised the freaking question. I made only claim against him:

Android, to the unwashed, is some "thing" better than Apple - but until there's much more momentum than this, the choice to an Evo might not be as simple as you make it sound.

I can defend every word I've said, but I'm frankly disgusted with being the target of anyone who wants to take my words out of context (tmaxey1) or not bother to read what I said in the first place (tmaxey1 and LoyalServant) and put words in my mouth.

I use real English, and real terms. I'm not responsible for lazy thinking or lazy reading by others.

You, at least, focused your question, and I appreciated it. I hope my answer was clear.

The rest of this post uses the rhetorical you.

I don't in a forum world. I live in a world where my wife's friend was pretty sure my wife didn't have an Android, because it looked nothing like our other friend's Droid.

In her own words: "Hey. iPhone. Android. It's simple EarlyMon - that's not an Android. You should have gotten an iPhone, because you're pretty confused."

Took about one second to set that right.

So go out and teach people about classes, kids.

Or sit around and lecture me about how I'm an Apple fanboy and not as smart as you.

And when you folks encounter friends similar to mine, give them the nickel lecture about multi-tasking and the Steve Jobs reality distortion field.

While everyone's beeotching about what I don't know, I've influenced 22 people to start shopping for Android this month alone, and three dropped their iPhone 4 purchase plans, one has an EVO on order, one with a Droid, and one is going to decide on an EVO or a Droid X when he's back from travel. (My wife's friend is now one of the 22, probably leaning towards Moment, probably next month when finances free up.)

All because I told them it's simple. I told them it was a little fragmented, but it's ok because Android isn't a thing, it's a class of things. I told them that the iPhone was behind in innovation and to check out several Androids because maybe one would be better than another for them.

That's all I had to do. Tell the truth, including the fanboy-dreaded-and-fully-charged fragment word.

So, please, tell me one more time how I'm the one that doesn't understand what helps people to make the right choices for themselves.

Tell me one more time that I'm the iPhone fanboi.

And while you're at it, tell me what you've done for Android lately.

PS - I don't work in the cell phone industry in any way.

PPS - How many ads have you seen for Android? How many for Droid? How many for EVO? Point.
 
3. Anecdotal example: Joe and Mary Blow go to cell phone store. They're not sure what Android phone is, but they've heard it's better than an iPhone, so they know they want to check it out. They're the typical, reasonable, well-informed consumer. (Think about it - for non-forum dwellers and a lot of people - that is well-informed, and we would agree they're on the right track.) At this point, their entire mindset is integrated.

Hate to inform you of this, but about 30 years ago, Al Gore invented something called the internet. Now, most people look up things they want to know about before they buy them.

4. They've seen ads for or have seen an iPhone. They know it's a thing. They ask to see the Android Phone. For a great many, this is their introduction to Android being a not a thing but a class of things.

For many older folks (like my parents) this might be true, but younger folks who are more familiar with the internet, tend to (not always) do research before they go to make a purchase.

For older folks, like my parents, they have someone younger who can inform them in regards to their tech purchases.

5. The response dis-integrates their mindset. Step one, accept that Android is a class. Step two, choose within the class.

I've dealt with some elderly folks buying cell phones (aging work force at my job) and nobody has ever had their mind disintegrated because Android is a class of phones.

They accept it, just like they accept that Ford isn't one car, but an entire line of cars, trucks, and SUV's.

6. For a great many people, the bridge between step one and step two is huge. They've just had their approach to their purchase decision invalidated.

With 2000 people in my building, I'm constantly getting questions about Android (many by older employees who are looking for something specific), and no one has EVER had a problem.

7. The buyer at that point can be validly said to be perceiving, in their mind, a fragmented situation. They haven't made the leap to choice, they're cavitating at their decision process being wrong.

Never, EVER, happened with anyone I've ever talked to (even an 80 year old woman who is tech illiterate)

And like it or not, many will then turn back to the iPhone, not because they're stoopid, old ladies or have insufficient gentalia - but because it's just a phone and they have more important things to think about. They have lives.

Also, never happened. The choice really comes down to 1 of three phones right now. Incredible, Eris, or Moto Droid. There is a clear winner on specs and a clear winner on price. Most older folks choose Moto Droid because it's somewhere in the middle. Most younger guys (sorry... no younger girls yet to ask) end up with the Incredible (Moto Droid before the Incredible was released).

If you go back and look at the original post I made, I'll think you'll find that I never made the huge deal about fragmentation that's been laid on me.

Regardless, I find your current post on fragmentation nothing short of fantasy.

The only people who have a problem with fragmentation are developers. Customers are used to choice.

Next thing I tried to point out - in my own, calm way at the time - is that there's a lot of selection in Android. I used the proper term - to the newest shoppers, it's fragmented.

It's fragmented in the same way that Ford's Sync lineup is fragmented. People don't care that there are choices. Choosing what suits them best is second nature to shoppers. Non-tech shoppers need help determining which one is best, but that's what sales reps and grand-children are for.

The obvious intelligent conclusion is that I'm questioning how suddenly EVOs are so easy to figure out, in a sea of Android, against a unified product with maturity.

I don't necessarily agree with you that the iPhone is a mature product.

Here's the comparison here... A man's preferences in an intimate relationship may take some time to learn (Android). They don't take any time at all to learn if he's been castrated (iOS). Sure, it's easier to learn... but I don't think that's something we want to call the more mature approach.




PS. We only see fragmentation as a problem, because Steve Jobs says it's a problem. Shoppers don't care. They WANT choices. They are comfortable with choices. Ever see someone purchase a car from a dealership? They expect, no Demand "fragmentation".

PPS. There is one group of people who have can have a problem with fragmentation. Developers. Having to code for multiple screens sizes/specs can be a pain at times. So can testing.
 
PS. We only see fragmentation as a problem, because Steve Jobs says it's a problem. Shoppers don't care. They WANT choices. They are comfortable with choices. Ever see someone purchase a car from a dealership? They expect, no Demand "fragmentation".

Prior to getting flamed for it, I had no idea whatsoever that Jobs-o had brought this up in any way, had not run into it in posts lurking around, or that it was in any way some sort of hot button around here.

Having a life, I pay scant attention to Jobs' point of view, and until this week have wasted zero of my time in Android forums discussing iPhone fanboyism.

As to your experiences varying from mine - the car industry has a saying for that:

Your Mileage May Vary.

PPS. There is one group of people who have can have a problem with fragmentation. Developers. Having to code for multiple screens sizes/specs can be a pain at times. So can testing.

Yeah. I know.

Your mind's all made up. How about I go back to where I came from, seems like you know everything you need to.

Toodles.
 
You just need to rub it in, eh.

Take off the smirk and edit the post, this is a friendly community after all. Since so far, all I have seen is you trolling mostly to piss him off deliberately.

So mate, cut it off. :)
 
You just need to rub it in, eh.

Take off the smirk and edit the post, this is a friendly community after all. Since so far, all I have seen is you trolling mostly to piss him off deliberately.

So mate, cut it off. :)

Umm... are you referring to me? Because I don't think I've said anything to troll, or piss him off deliberately.

I have taken issue with his claim that people having choices in regards to android is a problem for consumers and will drive people away from the product.

If you think I've done or said something deliberately to piss him off, please lte me know, and I will look at what I said and see if I agree with you, or maybe rephrase it so that I can come across the way that I intend to.
 
Meh, as mentioned before, I'm willing to bet 95% percent of consumers don't care about os versions. They just want to know what the phone does, and how it does it.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
 
Meh, as mentioned before, I'm willing to bet 95% percent of consumers don't care about os versions. They just want to know what the phone does, and how it does it.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Yet also key to point out that the same 95% of people who don't care about the the OS, as being most likely the same % who want a phone because its as hip as society says.
 
Meh, as mentioned before, I'm willing to bet 95% percent of consumers don't care about os versions. They just want to know what the phone does, and ho

Yet also key to point out that the same 95% of people who don't care about the the OS, as being most likely the same % who want a phone because its as hip as society says.

Yep so true. So many smartphone owners who don't use it for its intended purposes at all, and could get the same out of a feature phone or even dumbphone, all due to social status.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
 
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