ElasticNinja
Android Expert
but the point was that it was a revolt more than anything
remember most deaths were caused by pro-government forces
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but the point was that it was a revolt more than anything
remember most deaths were caused by pro-government forces
I'm really starting to question the media narrative about "peaceful" protests, really after this CBS reporter story came out... there is more filtering out now.
Apparently it lasted more than 20-30 minutes, not just a bunch of guys groping.
It's also being reported, the gang of 200 that attacked her, were shouting "jew!, jew!"
That dosn't seem like a bunch of peaceful people out for secular democracy to me... and being these were supposed to be the "good guys" I really wonder how many of the 350 dead were really a result of the pro-mubarak gangs.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
there were more than a million protesters.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
These people over there will protest over any little thing just to protest and don't even have to agree with what is being protested. What those guys did to that reporter show how worthless women are in their culture. Sorry to day they are no better thn their president that was ousted.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
yet women were mingling freely in Tahrir square, bringing there families
you are sadly mistaken
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Dark Jedi
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The value of a woman is less than that of a man over in those countries.
Yes, women have a different place in Arab society than in western countries. But I think whats more telling, is the Jew! Jew! part.
yes women and kids, were reported to be in the crowds, and its said a group of women and the army help the reporter out.
So, I don't think the crowd was full of men looking for women to rape, but I think the crowd was full of men looking for Jews to rape or attack, challenging the notion Egypt is gonna be the next Canada.
the big question in all this is where does Egypt go from here, many lefties are claiming the protests were people wanting secular democracy, others have pointed out, democracy in Egypt could, like in Gaza bring about a democratically elected racist theocratic government.
I think this incident, and the "Jew! Jew!" reports point to maybe more racist desires of the Egyptians than has been reported in the media narrative... but only time will tell for sure.
yes women and kids, were reported to be in the crowds, and its said a group of women and the army help the reporter out.
So, I don't think the crowd was full of men looking for women to rape, but I think the crowd was full of men looking for Jews to rape or attack, challenging the notion Egypt is gonna be the next Canada.
the big question in all this is where does Egypt go from here, many lefties are claiming the protests were people wanting secular democracy, others have pointed out, democracy in Egypt could, like in Gaza bring about a democratically elected racist theocratic government.
I think this incident, and the "Jew! Jew!" reports point to maybe more racist desires of the Egyptians than has been reported in the media narrative... but only time will tell for sure.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Malaysia has a higher proportion of women in third level than men
in poor countries, worn are sadly usually discriminated against
look at China even
in poor countries, worn are sadly usually discriminated against
look at China even
This.
In fact it was 30yrs to the day this EXACT thing happened in Iran... please, tell me how much better off the world is as a result.
Revolution =/= Democracy
Egypt is not Iran.
30 years ago, Iranians rose up against a king put in place by the US, and they desired an Islamic Republic.
Egyptians do not desire an Islamic Republic, since there is a large population of Coptic Christians there.
Compared to how many died during the American Revolution? French Revolution?
Same in the US... I mean, seriously, a woman gets raped in Egypt, and people here start saying it was her fault for being there.
What happened in Egypt technically wasn't a revolution. It was a large public protest, that lead to a bloodless coup by the military. The Egyptian military saw what was going on and forced the current government out and took control.
You seriously can't say womens rights in the middle east is equal to womens rights in the West.
When was the last time a western government killed a 16 year girl old by lashes for getting raped?
When was the last time we considered that among our lurkers there may be rape victims?
Can we kindly move on to make other points, or failing that, can we do so with the above thought in mind?
Can we kindly move on to make other points, or failing that, can we do so with the above thought in mind?
No not at all - it's just starting to add up to a lot of ink for a sensitive subject, so I wanted to be out in front.
I trust everyone to self-manage on this, I just wanted that reminder out here _before_ things heat up.
I trust everyone to self-manage on this, I just wanted that reminder out here _before_ things heat up.
bajabum
Newbie
America had a middle class and rosie the riveter could stay home and raise the kids. America had an industrial base that put people to work and they got paid a living wage.
It was also the beginning of the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell speech:
"Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together".
And let's not forget JFK speech known as the "Secret Society's" speech, some excerpts:
The very word
Jimmy Carter was a puppet for psychopaths?
Will democracy continue to sweep every Middle Eastern country that George W. Bush did not invade?
I find your statement ironic because George W. Bush has had a hand in funding MANY of these pro-democracy movements...
Many of these movements are alive because of funding he started.
Interestingly enough... it was a Democrat controlled Congress that cut those funds in half.
But I guess if you only listen to one side of the story, that's all you'll get.