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Windows 8 Vs. Linux

Run both! You can dual boot and there are pros to both systems, BTW one of the best sounding DAWS is a Linux program, Harrison (maker of the multi million dollar mixing consoles used in huge records that you know and love) used that software as a base for their Mixbus software. They also have drafting programs that were developed by the military. Don't discount the diversity of Linux. On the other side, I really liked windows 7 (and have not upgraded to Windows 8) but my uncle has Win8 and loves it, it's faster and more efficient. Also, he found a way to get the start menu back!
 
Forget about using Virtualbox running windows inside of Linux if you want to play Windows games, it won't work or will work poorly. Virtual machines don't have directX or support for direct hardware access, only virtualization so if games even run, they feel like they're running on hardware straight out of 1998
 
Forget about using Virtualbox running windows inside of Linux if you want to play Windows games, it won't work or will work poorly. Virtual machines don't have directX or support for direct hardware access, only virtualization so if games even run, they feel like they're running on hardware straight out of 1998
oOo I didn't know that.
 
Run both! You can dual boot and there are pros to both systems, BTW one of the best sounding DAWS is a Linux program, Harrison (maker of the multi million dollar mixing consoles used in huge records that you know and love) used that software as a base for their Mixbus software. They also have drafting programs that were developed by the military. Don't discount the diversity of Linux. On the other side, I really liked windows 7 (and have not upgraded to Windows 8) but my uncle has Win8 and loves it, it's faster and more efficient. Also, he found a way to get the start menu back!

Latest thing I've heard about Windows Blue, Win8.1, is that Start is coming back. The modern UI might be ok on a tablet, not so good on a desktop PC or a regular laptop.
 
I got two MMOs and Flight Simulator X to run quite well inside Linux however the amount of steps, skill, and time wasted to make it happen compared with double-clicking an *.exe file on a DVD just isn't in most user's tolerance levels. There are also a ton of games that just won't work in Linux no matter the amount of coffee and hacking you do, and some of those games lack even a console variant and people just wont give them up for a little more customizations that can be done in Linux

The filesystem in Linux isnt much of an issue today since the same folders most are accustomed to in Windows (my documents, downloads, etc) are default placed in the user's /home folder in many popular distros

The few commercial games that shipped with Linux or released Linux versions all had a .sh command you double click on, then just follow the prompts like a Windows install. Steam does as well, AFAIK. Some games run just fine w/o extra steps in WINE (though some swear by Cedega). I know for a fact Unreal Tournament games run in Wine as should most Unreal Engine games, as well as EVE Online.
 
If you have games you have purchased from Steam for the Windows environment, can you download the Linux version for free, or do you need to purchase it a second time?
 
If you have games you have purchased from Steam for the Windows environment, can you download the Linux version for free, or do you need to purchase it a second time?
If the game you bought for Windows also works with Linux, you can download the game for free again. The games are saved to the cloud, so you buy it once, and you can download it to any computer you want. But game files are saved to the computer I believe.
 
XP .. what will happen when Microsoft lets it go completely if they do. Soon I heard that they will stop supporting it meaning no more updates will be there, so what will businesses and schools do? (I'm on a school computer right now, running XP)

Well, I guess we'll see what happens.

Microsoft keep announcing they're going to cut support and everybody keeps refusing to believe them.

It'll have to come at some stage but my guess is that lots of people will hold out thinking Microsoft are going to back down yet again, then have to do a super-fast rollout of a newer version of Windows when they discover that this time, MS meant it.

Still don't think that will trigger much of an uptake for Linux. I have yet to see any company considering anything other than Windows on the desktop. Lots of companies are moving toward - or have already implemented - virtualised desktops, but they're still running windows.
 
I think XP is supposed to go EoL in April of next year. :/

Microsoft have been telling anyone who'll listen "we really mean it this time!", but they have cried wolf several times before so I'm sure there are those who won't believe them ;)

I think they might just mean it: they could really use a few nice, big dollops of upgrade cash from all those XP hold outs over the next year :D
 
XP is over a decade old. Surprised they even support it at all, being that it's basically Windows 2000 with an interface upgrade. Those clinging to it probably were the same folks saying carburetors were superior to fuel injection, too.
 
XP is over a decade old. Surprised they even support it at all, being that it's basically Windows 2000 with an interface upgrade. Those clinging to it probably were the same folks saying carburetors were superior to fuel injection, too.

Think there's a few reasons why MS still supports XP, even though it is 12 years old now. Also Windows 2000 was never intended as a home or domestic use OS, unlike XP Home. Home users got Windows ME! on their new PCs. :rolleyes:

1) Windows Vista. XP was around for a long time before Vista came out. Existing "Designed for Windows XP" machines couldn't really run Vista properly, if at all, because of Vista's increased requirements over XP. AFAICT many people just didn't want Vista anyway, and would often downgrade Vista PCs to XP. Myself, Vista made me buy an Apple MacBook because I was so impressed with it...NOT!

2) Netbooks. The first ones came with a Linux OS. Which obviously wasn't in MS's favour. They couldn't run Vista or 7 in a usable manner, so MS made XP available with the licensing provision the netbooks only have 1GB RAM and a single core CPU. Although in China, and other emerging markets, apparently netbooks are not so limited, they can have 2GB RAM etc, and can still be licensed for XP. Again MS would rather them be running their OS over Linux.

3) Enterprise users. Many of them are still using XP, and are only now considering upgrading to 7 or 8 with new PCs. More so in emerging markets on older PCs, which can't run newer versions of Windows. Where I am, the standard office PC is running XP with Office 2003, and is likely to be like that for a few more years yet. Looking at the ancient school property "Founder", Pentium 4, 512MB RAM, "Designed for Windows XP" thing I got on my desk here. That can't be upgraded to a newer version of Windows. It runs Linux Mint OK though. :D

BTW vehicles with carburettors are very popular in emerging markets and third world countries. Besically because they're easy and cheap to fix and service. Complex computerised fuel injection systems can be very expensive if they go wrong, and spares parts might not be readily available in many regions.

Many tractors and older trucks where I am are two stroke, single cylinder diesel, i.e. very simple, reliable, electrics only needed for starting, but are not essential. You can start them with a flat battery by hand-cranking. And easy to service with only basic commonly available tools. It's KISS philosophy, Keep It Simple Stupid. :)

Myself, I drove older vehicles for a long time, basically because of ease of DIY servicing. And if ever on very rare occasions they would not go, it was usually very easy to find out why, either fuel wasn't getting through or there was no spark. Vehicles with ECUs and other electronics, if they don't go, you need a specialised diagonistic computer to find out why. Which usually means a very expensive garage job. I've known people write-off cars, because the ECU has failed, and a replacement was just too expensive. You might see a 90 year old Model T still running, but it's highly doubful if any modern cars will still be running when they're 90 years old, let alone 10-20 years.
 
17% of my blog's traffic comes from Linux computers, I was interested in finding out.
That is something interesing to find out. What do you write about?
Well, I guess we'll see what happens.

Microsoft keep announcing they're going to cut support and everybody keeps refusing to believe them.

It'll have to come at some stage but my guess is that lots of people will hold out thinking Microsoft are going to back down yet again, then have to do a super-fast rollout of a newer version of Windows when they discover that this time, MS meant it.

Still don't think that will trigger much of an uptake for Linux. I have yet to see any company considering anything other than Windows on the desktop. Lots of companies are moving toward - or have already implemented - virtualised desktops, but they're still running windows.
Who knows what they will actually do. XP is still a strong operating system, with many people still using it because it works. It's getting things done.
 
But this thread has gotten off topic. It's originally about gaming from Linux and Windows, not really about XP. Could we possibly get back on topic?
 
That is something interesing to find out. What do you write about?

Who knows what they will actually do. XP is still a strong operating system, with many people still using it because it works. It's getting things done.

Politics, economics, philosophy. Game reviews, fiction, fan ficiton, poetry, literary reviews, car reviews, tech reviews, that sorts of things.

As far as the OP, Steam for Linux will really help out, I think, with its expanding selection of Linux games.
 
XP is over a decade old. Surprised they even support it at all, being that it's basically Windows 2000 with an interface upgrade. Those clinging to it probably were the same folks saying carburetors were superior to fuel injection, too.
I still use XP, and I don't think any fuel injection system is superior. :p It works for me, my machine runs better with it than Vista, and that's that. Also, I don't think 10 years is a crazy long support for an OS, RHEL 6 (another commercial OS) was released in 2010 and looks like it's supported until 2023. Hell, CentOS 5 and 6 are both supported for 10 years. And it's free.

Seems reasonable to me. MS kept supporting XP because there was a demand for it. I'm sure it all comes down to $$$ for them (and any for-profit company).

But yeah, steam is going to help linux gaming for sure. So I'd say Windows for now and Linux pretty soon. :D
 
At the OP's request let's keep the XP discussions shelved and get back on topic please.

Thanks!:D
Thank you. So I have a question.

Make a guess as to how long you think it will take Linux to become a Priority in gaming like Windows? As in it getting the big titles like Skyrim, and Battlefield, and Call of Duty?
 
You're welcome!

Realistically, I would say it is 2 years out at the very least. If there is an explosion of Linux users it could come sooner, sheer numbers and money talks.
 
Hmmm... I am not sure. It'll take a while. I'd say it depends on steam. If steam gets more games on the linux side of their service, it could be pretty quick, but it linux only gets a few titles here and there... it'll be longer.

We'll see. :)
 
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