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With Android on the rise, do you think that Apple's iOS is dying?

a friend of mine upgraded to the ip4 and had literally no idea why it was better. THATS why apple sell products because their bullshit sales blurb is still believed by alot of people.

Its not dying but its loosing momentum compared to other brands. Its not changed a whole lot from its first iteration (appart from adding all the stuff other phones have had for ages) when apple finally have to innovate something they will struggle or rebrand video calling and call it magic....and the sad thing is people will believe them.
 
I don't think it will die off, it will be another repeat of what happened to the mac. It will occupy a niche in the smartphone market. In a fast-paced, constantly evolving market, it will be difficult for one phone from one company on one carrier with one update a year to stay as the leader. Even with Apple's brand image.
 
apple arnt known for innovation, not recently at least.

that will damage them most in the long run.
 
Intervenient said:
Also, a lot of Android devices don't allow 3rd party software unless they're rooted, which is the same thing as jailbreaking on the iOS.
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This is just wrong. Third party software is never blocked, there are a few devices that block non-market programs. Those aren't even close to being the same thing. You constantly post pro-Apple rants, can you at least do it with correct information?
 
Intervenient said:
Also, a lot of Android devices don't allow 3rd party software unless they're rooted, which is the same thing as jailbreaking on the iOS.
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You're badly informed. Even devices where side-loading apps is blocked by the carrier can. Still. Do. So. Without. Rooting. Herp derp derp.

My mother likes things that work out of the box and continue to work and remain relevant for more than 3-4 months. Different strokes for different folks.
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How does Android not work out of the box? And here you are again with the "relevant for 3-4 months" crock. Oh hi, the original Droid is getting Froyo.
 
the iphone only stays ''relevevant'' because apple artificailly slows its release rate. In the wider tech scene the iphone is outdated in 4-6 months just like every other bit of tech.
 
Swizz said:
No.

While it may or may not decline in terms of numbers, it wont be going anywhere for quite some time. The market for smartphones is increasing by the day; and as a result, just because Android's numbers are on the rise doesn't mean we are going to see a decline in iOS users.

And quite frankly, we had better hope it doesn't. Competition breeds innovation. If the river that feeds a lake dries up, it becomes stagnant.

And what Android needs to shoot for is the true big fish: RIM.
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That's said perfectly. We need both. I have an HTC incredible and an iPad and love both very much. Certainly no Apple fan boy ad the iPad is the only Apple product I've owned. Competition is good.
 
I agree, healthy competition is good. I have ummed and ahhed about getting an iPhone for ages, but now that Android phones have become so amazing I have decided to buy an HTC Desire instead and am so happy. I don't like Apple's dominance and not allowing freedom with their products. More competition with a wide range of eqully good products will hopefully also force prices down.
 
well for us technologically aware a highly competative market is the best thing as we will be on top of the cutting edge in top end smart phones which will keep getting better and better!

and tbh its looking to be a big fight with Apple, Android and Winmo 7 looking v strong with the possibility of bb6 being ok(ish...dont rele care tho lol)
 
mrmojoz said:
This is just wrong. Third party software is never blocked, there are a few devices that block non-market programs. Those aren't even close to being the same thing. You constantly post pro-Apple rants, can you at least do it with correct information?
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Non-market programs then. Doesn't matter what you call it, it's true that some applications on certain networks are blocked. I've never been "pro-Apple", I explore both sides of the "smartphone wars" and try to be as objective as possible. Perhaps if you had used your reading abilities (something I've noticed the more sensitive members here don't use) you'd see I prefer Android by a longshot.


grainysand said:
You're badly informed. Even devices where side-loading apps is blocked by the carrier can. Still. Do. So. Without. Rooting. Herp derp derp.
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How does saying Herp derp derp better your argument? Yes you can do it without rooting, but rooting is the go to solution for most of us. People who want to sideload apps are people who are already interesting in working with custom ROMs and the like, so will already have it rooted.



How does Android not work out of the box? And here you are again with the "relevant for 3-4 months" crock. Oh hi, the original Droid is getting Froyo.
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Android works out of the box fine, but we all know that what we get stock is only 1/4 of what we can get when we tinker with the firmware and run custom ROMs. And when I say relevant for 3-4 months, I mean in the eye of the consumer. Too many Android powered smart phones are coming out way to fast.
 
Intervenient said:
How does saying Herp derp derp better your argument? Yes you can do it without rooting, but rooting is the go to solution for most of us. People who want to sideload apps are people who are already interesting in working with custom ROMs and the like, so will already have it rooted.
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To emphasize how wrong you are and how very obviously wrong your comment is? My argument doesn't need to be "better." I was objectively, factually right. You were objectively, factually wrong. Let me jolt your memory:

Also, a lot of Android devices don't allow 3rd party software unless they're rooted, which is the same thing as jailbreaking on the iOS.
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Do you suffer from short-term memory loss? You said there are Android devices that don't let you sideload apps unless rooted. I pointed out that you can sideload apps just fine without rooting. You furiously backpedal and waffle around with "well I'm saying something completely different to what I originally said and you might as well root anyway." This is what happens when you state nonsense as fact.

Android works out of the box fine, but we all know that what we get stock is only 1/4 of what we can get when we tinker with the firmware and run custom ROMs. And when I say relevant for 3-4 months, I mean in the eye of the consumer. Too many Android powered smart phones are coming out way to fast.
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And... the iPhone... does everything... out of the box... without jailbreaking? Could it multi-task out of the box pre-iOS4 or even change wallpapers? Let's try this again:

My mother likes things that work out of the box and continue to work
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You were talking about your mother and what "works out of the box" for her. Now you're talking about flashing custom ROMs and kernels, as evidently you consider stock Android to "not work out of the box." Does your mother flash custom ROMs then? Does she even jailbreak her iFail? You can't seem to stay consistent for more than one paragraph, which as far as an attempt at discourse goes is pretty pathetic.
 
grainysand said:
To emphasize how wrong you are and how very obviously wrong your comment is? My argument doesn't need to be "better." I was objectively, factually right. You were objectively, factually wrong. Let me jolt your memory:



Do you suffer from short-term memory loss? You said there are Android devices that don't let you sideload apps unless rooted. I pointed out that you can sideload apps just fine without rooting. You furiously backpedal and waffle around with "well I'm saying something completely different to what I originally said and you might as well root anyway." This is what happens when you state nonsense as fact.



And... the iPhone... does everything... out of the box... without jailbreaking? Could it multi-task out of the box pre-iOS4 or even change wallpapers? Let's try this again:



You were talking about your mother and what "works out of the box" for her. Now you're talking about flashing custom ROMs and kernels, as evidently you consider stock Android to "not work out of the box." Does your mother flash custom ROMs then? Does she even jailbreak her iFail? You can't seem to stay consistent for more than one paragraph, which as far as an attempt at discourse goes is pretty pathetic.
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Not even going to bother. It's pretty pathetic to argue more than one or two posts about a cell phone. I apologize for having an opinion that differs from you, and I can't wait to be just like you when I grow up.
 
Swizz said:
No.

While it may or may not decline in terms of numbers, it wont be going anywhere for quite some time. The market for smartphones is increasing by the day; and as a result, just because Android's numbers are on the rise doesn't mean we are going to see a decline in iOS users.

And quite frankly, we had better hope it doesn't. Competition breeds innovation. If the river that feeds a lake dries up, it becomes stagnant.

And what Android needs to shoot for is the true big fish: RIM.
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This exactly, just take a look at the original android and you can see the vast GUI improvements that were brought about by competition with ios. I'm certainly very anti-apple almost as much as I am anti-religion but I wouldn't like them to disappear just yet (and they're not going to either). Your also right that android should aim compete with RIM. There is always somebody around here looking for better outlook integration, remote wipe and storage encryption.
 
ios is at a cusp. I am counting the days...minutes until froyo is released OTA for droid because then people will actually see Flash being on android but not on iPhone. Until that point they will get iphone because they don't see what they are missing, don't see a difference right now.
It is unfortunate that many people can't handle abstract thought and only think in terms of the concretely known present and not the exciting possibilities of an unknown future driven by open competition.
 
I could care less if flash is on a phone or not. LOL. I am sure if you polled the public you would get most people saying, "What is flash??" or they would think it has something to do with the camera.

Using both an Android and iOS, the iOS web experience just blows Android away and probably will for a while.
 
Baldilocks said:
I could care less if flash is on a phone or not. LOL. I am sure if you polled the public you would get most people saying, "What is flash??" or they would think it has something to do with the camera.

Using both an Android and iOS, the iOS web experience just blows Android away and probably will for a while.
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If you polled the public what a 1GHZ processor was they'd probably be clueless too...but most of them would use one on their phone. People know the difference when they go on websites when they see the little boxes and some of their favorite website works. Just because they don't know it's called "flash" doesn't mean they don't use it.


Android 2.2 browsing >>> iOS browsing > Android 2.1 browsing
 
Baldilocks said:
I could care less if flash is on a phone or not. LOL. I am sure if you polled the public you would get most people saying, "What is flash??" or they would think it has something to do with the camera.

Using both an Android and iOS, the iOS web experience just blows Android away and probably will for a while.
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LOL my mom got an ipod touch and after the first 10 minutes of using it she asked why Flash wasn't working on the internet.
 
Baldilocks said:
I could care less if flash is on a phone or not. LOL. I am sure if you polled the public you would get most people saying, "What is flash??" or they would think it has something to do with the camera.

Using both an Android and iOS, the iOS web experience just blows Android away and probably will for a while.
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Sure?

Until this morning, I playfully conceded that to an iPhone-owning friend. He ruefully sent me this link:

iOS 4 Safari Vs Android 2.2 (Froyo) Browser; Which One Is The Fastest Mobile Browser? - iPhone Hacks

I'll let you draw your own conclusions. To be fair, the tests used FroYo, so go figure.

Me? If I were ever to go to another device, right now, it wouldn't be because of a web browser. Safari is no longer the lion of the mobile browsing jungle, but kudos to Apple for blazing the trail. FTR, I think they did max out the Acid3 test, IIRC. :)
 
Tre Lawrence said:
Me? If I were ever to go to another device, right now, it wouldn't be because of a web browser. Safari is no longer the lion of the mobile browsing jungle, but kudos to Apple for blazing the trail. FTR, I think they did max out the Acid3 test, IIRC. :)
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Before there was the iPhone, there was Palm and the name of its browser was Blazer. But what made iPhone unique was that it had a mobile browser with a core that was the same as the one that was tested and proven on the desktop (IE on winmo was clearly not the same as the x86 Windows version). Remember the commercial? "Not the mobile internet but the internet internet"
 
ari-free said:
Before there was the iPhone, there was Palm and the name of its browser was Blazer. But what made iPhone unique was that it had a mobile browser with a core that was the same as the one that was tested and proven on the desktop (IE on winmo was clearly not the same as the x86 Windows version). Remember the commercial? "Not the mobile internet but the internet internet"
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I was one person who loved Blazer. I know it was rudimentary, but still...
 
The thing about the iOS that makes it so good for what it does, is that it's relatively simple. I can tell you that it's taken me quite a bit of effort to teach people how to use their droids... and I've been a droid owner for less than a month.

It's user friendly, it's easy, it's recognizable and many people have it as the operating system in which they compare other operating systems to. It's a clean setup, despite how much we might dislike it. It's hard to kill.
 
What Android needs is more attention for all these tiny little details that make an OS just 'click.' Steve Jobs is a master at getting the aesthetics. Fortunately Android getting Duarte from Palm.

"When recording the audio's base notes, the company opted for actual musicians playing simple instruments like Tibetan bells over synthetic gizmos that generate "electronic blips and bloops," says Matias Duarte, Palm's vice president of human interface and user experience.
"We wanted to have tones that would be part of the Pre's aesthetic whole," Duarte says. "The phone's hardware, software and audio experience needed to be coherent."
Five Things You Didn't Know About The Palm Pre - Forbes.com

Combine that kind of attention to detail with google tech (widgets, voice recognition, bumptop, etc) and Android will have it all.
 
I honestly, truly do not get that Android is hard. Seriously.I thought it was fairly easy to figure out. Never opened the manual once. I found it intuitive.

Not being argumentative; I really, really don't get that iOS is any easier to use than Android, especially with basic operations.
 
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