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Zimmerman: Let's try this again...

OcalaFlGuy said:
"...Someone who invokes their own rights 75 TIMES is EXACTLY the person I want watching over MY rights.

Bruce in
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To each his own, I'd be reluctant to have Rick Scott access money as Scott's company was fined a record $1.7 billion on charges of Medicare fraud. Despite being a lawyer and being CEO of one of the nation's largest hospital chains.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Well Gov. Rick Scott knows investigations, he took the Fifth 75 times during the investigation of massive fraud by Columbia/HCA Health while he was CEO.
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If you're going to try and crucify someone, you should at least use GOOD Legit information. There Are people who either know or who WILL check it out you know.

Rick Scott NEVER plead the 5th 75 times regarding the Columbia/HCA investigation. At least in anything TO DO with that investigation.

Simply Did Not Happen.

He DID plead the 5th 75 times in a CIVIL case NOT RELATED to the health care scandal. At the time, there Was a Criminal investigation going on with the health scandal that Scott WAS NOT charged in (You failed to mention THAT part) but where answering the questions in the Civil unrelated case could have impacted him. So, based on THAT his lawyer said plead the 5th.

If you were in the same situation Your Lawyer would be a Moron to tell you differently.

It works a lot better when you Know and TELL the WHOLE story. :p

[EDIT] I DO have to congratulate you though OOD.

A Most excellent dose of irony you treated us to.

Zimmy's been found NOT GUITY in his Trial that everyone wants to not count now
and You, Want to allude to Scott being a Criminal when HE was never even Criminally charged.

It must be a Movement. :rolleyes:

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
Stand corrected the Fifth was taken 75 times at a civil case due to the then ongoing criminal investigation. Rick Scott resigned and the company plead guilty to at least 14 corporate felonies.

PolitiFact Florida | Does Rick Scott invoking the Fifth Amendment imply guilt?

"the case in question was a civil case involving Columbia/HCA and Nevada Communications Corp. Nevada Communications alleged that Columbia/HCA breached the terms of a communications contract.

Scott's lawyer interjected after an opposing lawyer began the deposition by asking if Scott was employed. "Under normal circumstances, Mr. Scott would be pleased to answer that question and other questions that you pose today," Scott's lawyer, Steven Steinbach, said. "Unfortunately because of the pendency of a number of criminal investigations relating to Columbia around the country, he's going to follow my advice, out of prudence, to assert his constitutional privilege against giving testimony against himself.""
 
If you trust in the justice system to find a man guilty, you must trust it when it finds a man to be not guilty. Or it is only partial justice you seek

This whole thing has gone too far, people are basically boycotting the state of FL because of the verdict. Stevie Wonder has said he will not play in FL until they discontinue the stand your ground statute. If you truly believe this to be a country of racial equality just trust in the justice system to do its job.

Now my opinion of what the verdict should have been, was guilty of man slaughter based on what I read. I hold a permit to carry a loaded hand gun for my state, and the class I took made it clear that you don't go around provoking a situation. I was told never to draw unless I or someone else is in danger.

What civil right violations are there to be brought up on? They can't charge him with murder in the 2nd or manslaughter anymore because of double jeopardy.

Just my thoughts
 
pbf98 said:
What civil right violations are there to be brought up on? They can't charge him with murder in the 2nd or manslaughter anymore because of double jeopardy.

Just my thoughts
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That is incorrect. (They may surely be your Thoughts, they're just incorrect ones. ;) )

He CAN be charged with 2nd Degree murder FEDERALLY in spite of his acquittal IF it is found there was "racial animus" involved in the Commission of that murder. (Basically making it a racially motivated "hate crime".)

(Which is going to be difficult if not impossible since your eedeeit (gov) people Already Released both the FBI and Justice Department reports that Found NO RACIAL ANIMUS on the part of the Zim Man.)

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
pbf98 said:
Now my opinion of what the verdict should have been, was guilty of man slaughter based on what I read. I hold a permit to carry a loaded hand gun for my state, and the class I took made it clear that you don't go around provoking a situation. I was told never to draw unless I or someone else is in danger.
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You must have read a fictional account of what happened. He DIDN'T draw until he was being assaulted. Statements like yours are EXACTLY WHY this has gone to far.
 
PrinceCorwin said:
You must have read a fictional account of what happened. He DIDN'T draw until he was being assaulted. Statements like yours are EXACTLY WHY this has gone to far.
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Okay, you win.

Now, explain what gives Zimmerman the right to arm himself and follow Martin. That in itself should've been enough cause for manslaughter.

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LucasV said:
Okay, you win.

Now, explain what gives Zimmerman the right to arm himself and follow Martin. That in itself should've been enough cause for manslaughter.

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Seriously!? Have you ever heard of the Constitution?
 
OcalaFlGuy said:
The Zim Man.

Still Out There doin' good.

George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding to Rescue Family Trapped in SUV - ABC News

Bruce in Ocala, Fl-course, someone will find Some Way for him to be a vicious racist nutcase by doing this too
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You know I heard he hates Hispanics.

Really I have nothing to add except that he won. Not guilty. Martin received justice in the system that has been used for centuries. Move on people let's worry about bigger things like how I can get a conjugal visit with Jodi Arias.
 
rabidhunter said:
Just a couple of thoughts here. One, there are no winners in this case. GZ didn't win, he must live with the fact that wheither provoked or not, he took the life of a 17 year old, but on the flip side, TM was not a poster child hero either with a history of drug use and violence.

The American justice system relies on presumed innocense. The full weight and burden of proof is on the prosectution to prove guilt.

The media at large needs to take a look at the mirror. While sensationalism sells, it often misrepresents the facts. Freedom of press is an important right and is fundamental to freedom; however, that right can be misused and is. Rather than reporting facts and truth which inform and enlighten, media sensationalism hinders truth and legal proceedings and entertains. Entertainment is not the primary function of the press.

We need to have honest and open discussion in regards to racial relations, and I'm not talking about blame the white man stuff. I'm talking lay everything out on the table. Not every crime committed against someone of a different race by someone of another race is racist, other motives are greed and power.

But we also need to discuss, what drives racism? The black community needs to discuss what things are giving their race a bad image. In my community, people with darker skin tone tend to crank up loud profaine misogynistic music in their cars. They tend to be loud and intimidating, for example, one time I was driving past a neighborhood where my bride used to live, she was pointing out a house where a friend used to live. There was this guy there with darker skin color on the porch who began to yell at us. Then there's the gang stuff and the pants on the ground stuff. This is not doing the black community any favors.

Now are all black people loud and threatening? No, I have several good friends who are black. And I happen to like rap music, I just don't like listening to filth.

We all have to look at ourselves and ask, how are we adding to the problem no matter what your skin color is. We all need to focus on the things that make us united, rather than the things that divide.
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Wow I am sad that only 1 person other than myself liked and thanked this post.

Wow anyway...

Totally agree RabidHunter.

We see alike.

I think people should really just come together and it is sad how people cannot bury the past and forgive and forget.

I wish the world in general would just be for once positive and move forward instead of backwards.

Well said oh wise but foaming at the mouth rabid 1 :)

h6CDEBD43
 
Being innocent and being found not guilty are two different things. If anyone think Casey Anthony is innocent then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale! Of course, that case was in FL also.
 
It's real easy to throw accusations out when you're clueless to what really happened.

I will admit to being sick to my stomach the baby killin <breath> was found not guilty but not so much after I know why.

Casey got really lucky that the remains stayed hidden for as long as they did. Everyday that passed was less credible evidence to go on. It isn't like they found the child 2 days after she'd died. There was nothing but a skeleton left. Almost no real evidence. Too much time passing costs a lot of the evidence the prosecution needed.

While I truly feel the evidence presented And the circumstantial evidence was enough to convince me, In This Case, I can EASILY SEE how a jury would not be swayed beyond a shadow of a doubt.

By no even warped stretch of the imagination is the Baby Killers case any OJ Simpson verdict.

I WILL say that it will probably be a Law school textbook case soon if it isn't already. ALL the legal beagles called that one wrong. It also goes back to you NEVER know what the jury is thinking until they read the verdict.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
I posted uneducated on the whole story, as I didn't want to involve my self in it too much. I only had knowledge of the statements and 911 calls back when the event occurred.

I have now come across the story of Zimmerman losing sight of Martin, and later being jumped by Martin. I also recently read about the beating Martin gave Zimmerman, and yes it was self defense, no race involved. I have listened to a 911 call from someone reporting the beating, you can hear the screams of Zimmerman shouting out for help while he was being beaten. Then suddenly the screams for help stop and you hear One shot.
I have changed by stance on the verdict, and not guilty is what I believe to be right. After all Martin is the one who decided to start the fight, if Martin would have confronted Zimmerman with words, this would have never happened.
 
You might want to check out my prior posts about Who Killed Trayvon and Obama could have been Trayvon. (Above) You'll learn even more about Martin that you didn't know.

Also supposedly in texts on his phone was that THAT POOR HELPLESS CHILD :rolleyes:, was The One in the local fight club. Specially a text where Martin wants a rematch with an opponent "because he didn't bleed enough the first time".

The verdict would have come A LOT quicker if the prosecution hadn't been so good at getting Evidence excluded.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
pbf98 said:
I have now come across the story of Zimmerman losing sight of Martin, and later being jumped by Martin. I also recently read about the beating Martin gave Zimmerman, and yes it was self defense, no race involved. I have listened to a 911 call from someone reporting the beating, you can hear the screams of Zimmerman shouting out for help while he was being beaten. Then suddenly the screams for help stop and you hear One shot.
I have changed by stance on the verdict, and not guilty is what I believe to be right. After all Martin is the one who decided to start the fight, if Martin would have confronted Zimmerman with words, this would have never happened.
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In another post, I pasted a link to the supposely official police dispatch record of the conversation with GZ. Did you read that?

From my understanding, GZ stated that TM is running, and dispatch ask, which way is he running and GZ said the other way. Dispatch ask GZ are you following him and he said yes, Dispatch said, we don't need you doing that and GZ said ok, and end of the conversation at that point.

GZ kept following him to see what he was up to. That's when TM approached him and ask why is he following him. A scuffle broke out.

Only way for TM to start the fight is because Zimmerman was close enough to fight.
 
is it the original unaltered call? There are a lot of versions out there that have been altered by the media.

If he really did follow TM it was probably because he knew the police weren't going to come and check out the reported suspect, so he wanted to make sure he watched him to see if he did take anything.
If he continued to follow and was close enough for TM to attack, TM had the option to confront him with words, he also had the option to call the police himself and report that there was a strange man following him.
You can't really call self defense on TM side because GZ hadn't touched him, or threatened him.

You can't just blame GZ for doing what he did, because TM didn't make the best choices that night either. Blame goes on both.
 
It doesn't matter a flying flit WHAT ANYTHING to do with the Following was.

It is really pointless to argue WHY the following happened or really how and where. There's only 1 person alive who really knows all the answers to that.

Re; the following, the important part is that it was 100% legal for Zimmy for follow. (His story was he was FIRST looking for a house number to give the police dispatcher to meet the coming units at, then AFTER being told, "We don't need you to do that." he had started BACK to his car.)

The only REALLY important part to the following was IT WAS 100% PERFECTLY LEGAL FOR ANYONE TO DO TO ANYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY AT ANY TIME. PERIOD.

I don't buy that Zimmy threw the fist punch, he's too much the wuss for that. He Knew It and EVERYONE who KNEW him knew it.
Martin was the KNOWN fight club member who wanted a rematch with a past opponent because "he didn't bleed enough the first time".

It certainly seems logical to go the way Zimmy said that Martin first spoke with "You got a problem?" with Zimmy IMMEDIATELY trying to DEESCALATE the situation with "no man, I got no problem". Where in Martin says, "Well, you got one <problem> now!" and sucker punches him.

(No one else has mentioned this. Look at what Zimmy says Martin said above. Then what he said Martin said when they were on the ground, Zimmy's jacket rode up and Martin saw the gun, "You're going to die tonight mothereffer." Don't those two scenario statements sound EXACTLY like they'd come from the same person? Do you REALLY think that Zimmy is genius enough to Make Up multiple statements of a conversation QUICKLY that seem to "match" each other that closely? I don't give him that much credit myself.)

The REASON that happened is that being brought up in the Culture of Violence Martin thought he had the Right, even the Responsibility to show his Alpha Manliness (Zimmy? An Alpha Male? Are you insane?) and answer what most people would answer with more conversation about why are you following me with a PUNCH.

It's most likely anyone else NOT ensconced in this Culture of Violence would have said something like, "Hey, why are you following me man?". Most likely Zimmy would have said, "Yeah, I'm a member of the neighborhood watch here, would you mind telling me where you live here?, which might have gotten, "Oh yeah, I'm just up here from Mijama visiting my Dad in unit blah, blah". THEN every thing would have been over with and everyone, even Trayvon would have lived another day.

If this explanation ISN'T sensical to you, you are probably just too biased to be able to look at the topic objectively. :rolleyes:

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
You got across what I was trying to say, much better than I did. Martin could have just asked why he was following him, and then discuss the situation rather than jump the man. Had Zimmerman not had another way of defending himself what would have happened? Perhaps he would have been left for dead, then chances are we would have not even heard of this.
Why they dismiss evidence such as those texts that show him to be a fighter, and the messages about the gun he was going to purchase I have no idea. They looked for any little incriminating evidence to make Zimmerman look bad, but when you find something that makes the prosecutor look bad it gets dismissed. To me it makes no sense. The texts are related to the case because it shows that Martin was capable of that kind of violence.
 
The reason for the texts not being evidence is understandable to some degree.

EVIDENCE has to be CERTAIN with no possible variables.

The problem is that no one would testify that Martin *was the ONLY person who EVER texted from his phone*. Ie; it IS POSSIBLE (probable doesn't count for Evidence) someone ELSE could have sent the gun, pot and fight texts USING Martin's phone. Even if that WERE the case that only Trayvon used his phone, certainly no one in Martin's family would TELL THE TRUTH to condemn their son, they already showed they'd LIE with Mr. Martin changing his tune that he never told the cops the screaming WASN'T Trayvon when he did. Certainly none of Martin's "friends" would testify that he was the only one to ever use his phone knowing it would be bad for "their homeboy".

You and I on the other hands, DON'T have to operate FULLY like a jury.

Answer if for yourself.

How many of you have outgoing texts on your phone that either you didn't type or you have No Idea how they got there? Hmmm?

Yeah. I thought so. ;)

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
Lol I never thought of it that way! Thanks for the info! keeping me well informed

I do let my fiance use my phone to text, and I often tell her to text for me especially while I'm driving. Then she will just randomly send a text to my friends or her mom, if I leave my phone out.

So that does makes sense to a degree now.
 
WFTV Holando just reported that the Zim Man has continued to get death threats and Again is carrying a pistol. :smokingsomb:

Yippee Ki Yay!

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
The issue here is gun laws, he used it to protect himself and it was not against the law. If he had a pepper spray, OSA handgun (shoots rubber bullets), electro shocker, instead of a gun, kid would be still alive.
 
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