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From Palm OS to Android (Droid)

(Originally by wolong)
Well, Thanks, but that wont work for me. Palm memos don't have a Subject field. So, if exported into Note Everything, there will be nothing to search on for the encrypted memos.
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I question this, but I'll take your word for it... it's been 11 months since I used my Treo and my memory's fuzzy. But I do know for sure that my Palm Notes imported into Note Everything WITH a subject, which was then repeated as the first line of the note. I still have some that remain that way.

Also, as I recall, when private memos were imported, they were no longer private; I had to set the encryption feature in Note Everything on each of them.

So one way or the other you'll have to do some manual adjustments, like adding a subject and turning encryption on. However, from everything I've read on this forum, it's the easiest, least hands-on way of importing Palm memos into an Android.
 
After looking at this further, I think what happens is that Palm desktop and handheld devices use the first line of each memo entry as the Subject. So, maybe Note Everything will indeed work for me. :)
Thanks! Bill
 
I have a Palm Pre running 1.4.5 OS and just got an EVO running 2.2 OS 2 days ago and to be honest, don't miss a thing about the Pre and can't think of anything it can do better. The EVO is faster, nicer graphics, better screen and really overall a much better phone. Not sure exactly why but even my 3G speeds and tethering are way faster when using the EVO. The Palm OS 1.4.5 is sluggish at best, long pauses when trying to do anything and sometimes it can take 15-20 seconds for things to open.

If anyone wants a hands on comparison of something or side by side pics, I can do it.
 
Just for fun, here's a list of the top Palm apps I depend upon, and some of the equivalent Android apps that I'm either using or trying out. Suggestions are welcome!

Palm ----------------Android


Docs to Go-----------Docs to Go Lite
I didn't use DTG a lot on my Palm, but I depended upon it to sync a few important items to have on hand at all times, like reference spreadsheets. The lack of a sync on the new one has prevented me from paying anything.

NetFront-------------Dolphin & XScope Lite
Browsing is 1000% better on the Android, and I'm still debating between the two above browsers. I use Xmarks and have it as my home page on both to coordinate from home.

Audioplayer----------Stock Player & TuneWiki
The difficulty in making playlists continues to be an annoyance. I loved the iTunes Genius when I had an iTouch, but hated iTunes. TuneWiki has Shoutcast Radio, which bumps its usefulness above the stock player.

Flash Player----------Nothing
How weird is it that we had a flash player for the Palm... years ago!? Granted it wasn't built into the browser, but dang.

Graffiti Anywhere-----MobileWrite
Not quite 'anywhere' but better than nothing. It's harder to use your finger for Graffiti, so I may get a stylus to test it out. Graffiti is a hard habit to break; I still write on paper with those symbols by accident.

DateBk---------------Combo of Google Calendar & Astrid
I'll kiss the feet of Pimlico if he brings Pimlical to Android. The Google calendar is annoying because the layouts are almost useless, plus snoozing goes a few minutes. You CAN keep creating new alarms, but that's silly. Astrid is inconsistent; sometimes I get a poke, sometimes not. I haven't settled on a system that just WORKS. And so I can't schedule very important things on the Android yet.

BackupBuddy---------Astro (& still looking)
Astro will back up just my apps when I ask it to, but not automatically. I wish I had something like BackupBuddy that did a full image of *every single thing*. That has saved my butt so many times when the battery died or I had to move to another device.

HotSync--------------some cloud
I liked having an all-around sync option. I tried Moto Tools, but it's very laggy and still doesn't do it all. Even if it were a 1-2 thing; like an app that backs up everything onto the SD card, and another app to sync that backup file over to my PC or LAN storage.

DayNotez-------------testing Note Everything, Unotes, List Master, Evernote, GDocs, & more
DayNotez is wonderful for categories, dating items automatically, and being as organized as my brain. The items I'm testing above all have some hiccup to them that makes me hesitate. Note Everything would probably win IF I could just open and write. This digging around the hierarchy of folders and settings to just plug in a note is annoying.

TealAuto---------------aCar
I haven't actually used aCar yet, but it looks like it'll cover what I need. Now how to transfer over my historic data from TA? It's a pain.

SplashShopper---------testing multiple billion apps
There are a metric boatload of shopping apps out there, but none exactly like what SplashShopper does. I have 18 lists each with 20-200 items each, and I like the checkmarks, categories, columns, etc that I have now.

SplashID---------------testing B-Folders
Passwords are critical, so I may be testing a while. May stay with SplashID, too. Still rely on the Clie here.

Ultrasoft Checkbook----testing FireWallet
Like passwords, your bank data is rather critical. UC was fantastic in allowing transactions to transfer, tracking bills, showing/hiding certain accounts, and always seeing exactly how solvent you are. We'll see about FW. Getting my historic data over... ugh. I have no idea how I'll do this.

Boggle-----------------Haven't seen anything on the market yet
We're Boggle nerds in this house, so we need this!

Scrabble---------------Save as above; missing in action. I actually paid money for the Palm version, so I'd like this.

AcidSolitaire------------Klondike Solitaire
KS is okay, but I liked the tap auto-movement of AS better.

Bejeweled--------------Jewels
I went back and played BJ on the Palm today and was stunned at how much prettier it was visually than anything I've played on the iTouch or the Droid so far. Sometimes old technology is just fine.

TopSuDoKu-------------Play SuDoKu Daily
Top has the better interface, but I can see the limitation of fat fingers on the board. Daily is not as good, but it's the best I found on the iTouch and now on Droid.

??---------------------Aldiko
I used to just d/l .txt docs and read them in DTG on the Palm, so Aldiko is a pleasure in comparison. Not as open of course, but I'm sure I could convert my existing texts if I wanted to.

Overall, it's just going to be a matter of time, I hope. I'd like to thing that Android developers will be sensitive to the needs of business/PIM users, and not just racing to compete with some of the worthless apps on the Apple Market. Sure, fart apps are funny for a while, but they don't get you to your interview on time!

Hi
I am using HTC Desire with Android 2.2. Actually I wanted to go for Palm Pre; I liked it very much but the network on which it's available isn't good for 3G. So, that's why I chose Android.
As you seem to be using both WebOS and Android, I need to ask something. I want to switch to Palm Pre plus. So, would you recommend switching from Android to Palm? How big is the difference b/w Android and WebOS?
 
I carefully examined all the free and paid Android applications that I could use for the centro's calendar, memos and contacts apps. I concluded that B-Folders is best. With B-Folders you can (a) password protect and (b) sync, all your desktops, laptops and handhelds. :)
 
Just for fun, here's a list of the top Palm apps I depend upon, and some of the equivalent Android apps that I'm either using or trying out. Suggestions are welcome!

Palm ----------------Android


Docs to Go-----------Docs to Go Lite
I didn't use DTG a lot on my Palm, but I depended upon it to sync a few important items to have on hand at all times, like reference spreadsheets. The lack of a sync on the new one has prevented me from paying anything.

NetFront-------------Dolphin & XScope Lite
Browsing is 1000% better on the Android, and I'm still debating between the two above browsers. I use Xmarks and have it as my home page on both to coordinate from home.

Audioplayer----------Stock Player & TuneWiki
The difficulty in making playlists continues to be an annoyance. I loved the iTunes Genius when I had an iTouch, but hated iTunes. TuneWiki has Shoutcast Radio, which bumps its usefulness above the stock player.

Flash Player----------Nothing
How weird is it that we had a flash player for the Palm... years ago!? Granted it wasn't built into the browser, but dang.

Graffiti Anywhere-----MobileWrite
Not quite 'anywhere' but better than nothing. It's harder to use your finger for Graffiti, so I may get a stylus to test it out. Graffiti is a hard habit to break; I still write on paper with those symbols by accident.
Graffiti is now available on the market, but wait to try it, they 'broke' it with stupid advertisements, if you read the comments, any developer who ignores it and doesn't put out a paid app-free version is really dumb. Hopefully he'll fix this.
DateBk---------------Combo of Google Calendar & Astrid
I'll kiss the feet of Pimlico if he brings Pimlical to Android. The Google calendar is annoying because the layouts are almost useless, plus snoozing goes a few minutes. You CAN keep creating new alarms, but that's silly. Astrid is inconsistent; sometimes I get a poke, sometimes not. I haven't settled on a system that just WORKS. And so I can't schedule very important things on the Android yet.

BackupBuddy---------Astro (& still looking)
Astro will back up just my apps when I ask it to, but not automatically. I wish I had something like BackupBuddy that did a full image of *every single thing*. That has saved my butt so many times when the battery died or I had to move to another device.
Titanium Backup is the best one I've found, I've got it doing incremental backups during the week and full on Sunday night (rooted Captivate)

HotSync--------------some cloud
I liked having an all-around sync option. I tried Moto Tools, but it's very laggy and still doesn't do it all. Even if it were a 1-2 thing; like an app that backs up everything onto the SD card, and another app to sync that backup file over to my PC or LAN storage.

DayNotez-------------testing Note Everything, Unotes, List Master, Evernote, GDocs, & more
DayNotez is wonderful for categories, dating items automatically, and being as organized as my brain. The items I'm testing above all have some hiccup to them that makes me hesitate. Note Everything would probably win IF I could just open and write. This digging around the hierarchy of folders and settings to just plug in a note is annoying.
Try IdeaPad, that looks promising for thought organization

TealAuto---------------aCar
I haven't actually used aCar yet, but it looks like it'll cover what I need. Now how to transfer over my historic data from TA? It's a pain.

SplashShopper---------testing multiple billion apps
There are a metric boatload of shopping apps out there, but none exactly like what SplashShopper does. I have 18 lists each with 20-200 items each, and I like the checkmarks, categories, columns, etc that I have now.

SplashID---------------testing B-Folders
Passwords are critical, so I may be testing a while. May stay with SplashID, too. Still rely on the Clie here.

Ultrasoft Checkbook----testing FireWallet
Like passwords, your bank data is rather critical. UC was fantastic in allowing transactions to transfer, tracking bills, showing/hiding certain accounts, and always seeing exactly how solvent you are. We'll see about FW. Getting my historic data over... ugh. I have no idea how I'll do this.

Boggle-----------------Haven't seen anything on the market yet
We're Boggle nerds in this house, so we need this!

Scrabble---------------Save as above; missing in action. I actually paid money for the Palm version, so I'd like this.
Take a look at Word Fued.
AcidSolitaire------------Klondike Solitaire
KS is okay, but I liked the tap auto-movement of AS better.

Bejeweled--------------Jewels
I went back and played BJ on the Palm today and was stunned at how much prettier it was visually than anything I've played on the iTouch or the Droid so far. Sometimes old technology is just fine.

TopSuDoKu-------------Play SuDoKu Daily
Top has the better interface, but I can see the limitation of fat fingers on the board. Daily is not as good, but it's the best I found on the iTouch and now on Droid.

??---------------------Aldiko
I used to just d/l .txt docs and read them in DTG on the Palm, so Aldiko is a pleasure in comparison. Not as open of course, but I'm sure I could convert my existing texts if I wanted to.

Overall, it's just going to be a matter of time, I hope. I'd like to thing that Android developers will be sensitive to the needs of business/PIM users, and not just racing to compete with some of the worthless apps on the Apple Market. Sure, fart apps are funny for a while, but they don't get you to your interview on time!
Yup, it's hard to find good replacements, but they're out there.

Also check out HanDBase, it's out on the Android platform now.
 
As you seem to be using both WebOS and Android, I need to ask something. I want to switch to Palm Pre plus. So, would you recommend switching from Android to Palm? How big is the difference b/w Android and WebOS?

That belongs to another thread... ;)

I carefully examined all the free and paid Android applications that I could use for the centro's calendar, memos and contacts apps. I concluded that B-Folders is best. With B-Folders you can (a) password protect and (b) sync, all your desktops, laptops and handhelds. :)

No it wasn't.

Also check out HanDBase, it's out on the Android platform now.

At $14.99 for the basic version, it's kind of expensive through.
 
HanDBase is worth every penny, I paid $24.99 for the Pro version because I use it so much. You're getting a full blown relational database app on a handheld - considering the cost on the desktop, I think it's a bargain. Then again, I really don't mind paying for good programs, it keeps the programmers coming up with new things to make my life easier.
 
you may be right... i don't see the value bcs i just dont have a need for this so... i did miss handyshopper when i first switched, but have come to do fine with oi shopping these days.

then again, they're not some full blown relational databases. (far from it)
 
I've been playing with an old Motorola Droid (original).

Two things I really miss/need are the ability to make contacts private. But I hate that all the Android Apps seem to be Joe Blow's Rolled-My-Own version rather than integrated into the default Contact list as on Palm. I just want to mark a handful of A-List DJs I have as private so that if some kid steals my phone, I don't "Paris Hilton" these guys. Why is this so hard for Android to grasp when PalmOS has done it for 20 years.

Second is that when a SMS message comes in, I want a "privacy mode" like PalmOS has. I don't need my nosey girlfriend seeing a fragment of a text from a girl (who could be a DJ or promoter or club rep) and freaking out on me as she does. Privacy mode just simply said, "you have a txt message" or something to that effect. Doesn't say who it's from or the body of the text until *I* open it (and I leave my PalmOS phone locked)

Anyone found anything like this yet?
 
Second is that when a SMS message comes in, I want a "privacy mode" like PalmOS has. I don't need my nosey girlfriend seeing a fragment of a text from a girl (who could be a DJ or promoter or club rep) and freaking out on me as she does. Privacy mode just simply said, "you have a txt message" or something to that effect. Doesn't say who it's from or the body of the text until *I* open it (and I leave my PalmOS phone locked)

Anyone found anything like this yet?

chompSMS does this. Guess Handcent does too. They are full blown messaging apps. There's also a smaller tool called SMS Popup.
 
I just switched from Palm Tungsen e2 to an Archos 43 Internet Tablet. An archos is like the palm or gps, no phone but all the other features. No expensive data plan though. Works for me.

I haven't converted data yet so this has been helpful.

One app I haven't seen mentioned yet that is newer is Pocket Informant Pub Beta. It's free now but will eventually be paid. It seems to be pretty powerful for calendar.

What I miss though is being able to use the palm desktop. I probably use that as much as the palm app since I'm usually on my PC. I use it for the calendar, contacts, and memos mostly. I'm interested in anything that provides similiar PC end products. I'm not real fond of having to be connected to the internet to get to data. If my internet goes, then I can't access it.

I'm going to tryout some of the other options here too.

Thanks for the NoteEverything recommendation. I'm going to try that out for my memos.

Is there any equivalent to the notes feature on Contacts? I have a lot of info there that I'd hate to loose.

Other apps:
eWallet - Has an Android viewer that syncs with desktop client and device. I like that it still keeps the info on my device without needing an internet connection. It won't edit the data though :( I use this all the time and again use the desktop component more than the palm one. I'll probably just stick with it because I won't have to convert and I like that it handles a lot of data not just passwords. I can put info about family members like where certain valuable items are and always have it.

Patience (my favorite solitaire) app - It's free on Android.

Handyshopper - as everyone looking for a replacement that handle more than just shopping lists. I want my shopping list to have categories and aisles. I also keep a lot of other check lists in it. I see Noteeverything paid version has some of those features.

I don't mind paying for a few really good apps that I'll use a lot (eWallet, Calendar, Contacts, Handyshopper).

Other than those, I'm loving Android!
 
Is there any equivalent to the notes feature on Contacts? I have a lot of info there that I'd hate to loose.
You had me scared for a minute there, as I used the "notes" portion of Outlook/PalmOS all the time for contacts. But then I looked in my android and I see them just fine with each contact... So now I'm confused what you're talking about? :confused:
 
I figure that it's about time to do another short review on this topic.

The features I still miss - Datebk (should be about to change soon), Yinghan (looking forward to Pleco's offer), call recording (this is tricky, see this (http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/181663-android-phone-call-recording-function.html).

The poor calendar features are still pretty big turnoff. I almost do everything in Outlook and just let it sync back to the phone now.

P.S. I should mention that Titanium Backup has now exceeded what NVBackup offered. It's got the best bang-for-value among the apps I purchased.
 
Just re-read this thread after finally getting a Droid X and starting the migration process from my Sony Clie. Thanks to all the participants in the thread--It felt safer taking the plunge having heard some experiences. It seems like the main sticking points are calendar, sync, and notes. Here I'll talk about calendars. I'll discuss sync and notes separately.

If you've been following the best calendar app thread, there are three exciting betas out: Pocket informant (mentioned above), Calengoo, and Business Calendar. I've been trying all three, and they are all better than the other things people here seem to using, such as Jorte and Gemini. Pocket Informant seems the most polished and full powered. The feature that really sets it apart is the month-calendar-based date picker, vs. the stupid scroll wheel things on the rest. I made a table of calendar application features on the android wiki to help me...and hopefully some others...sort through the options. If you have information to add to that chart, please sign up and edit away.

Another option I looked at is Touchdown, which is for active exchange sync only--you need to be connected to a server that runs that service. I was thinking of signing up for such a service, and thought I'd try Touchdown first. So I downloaded the trial and tried it on the phone only, not sync...and it was buggy. The developer said that's because it wants to sync and won't really work right without it, and once i have that sync set up it will work fine, even when I'm away from a data connection and can't sync immediately. I don't know whether to believe that or not, and am not feeling enthusiastic about going that route. But Touchdown is pretty attractive, in that it integrates all four PIM functions and syncs with outlook for all four (calendar, contacts, tasks and notes).
 
Another option I looked at is Touchdown, which is for active exchange sync only--you need to be connected to a server that runs that service. I was thinking of signing up for such a service, and thought I'd try Touchdown first. So I downloaded the trial and tried it on the phone only, not sync...and it was buggy. The developer said that's because it wants to sync and won't really work right without it, and once i have that sync set up it will work fine, even when I'm away from a data connection and can't sync immediately. I don't know whether to believe that or not, and am not feeling enthusiastic about going that route. But Touchdown is pretty attractive, in that it integrates all four PIM functions and syncs with outlook for all four (calendar, contacts, tasks and notes).

But it requires an Exchange server right? Like I can't just sync to Outlook directly can I?

Also, I wasn't fond of the "Deja Office" stuff that CompanionLink requires. MissingLink also has issues. This whole sync to Outlook debacle is so infuriating and seriously one of the biggest gripes I have with the phone. I can live with a lot of the other short-comings (compared to PalmOS) in polish and stability but this one just really irks me. :mad:
 
But it [touchdown] requires an Exchange server right? Like I can't just sync to Outlook directly can I?

That's right. Or at least mostly right--there was a USB sync option at one point, but it apparently wasn't full featured; now there's something called "look ma no wires" that is some kind of limited wifi sync, but they don't seem to be promoting that as a real feature or fully supporting it, and thus and I wouldn't be inclined to count on it.

I was considering signing up for an exchange server service--e.g., hotmail has that option for $20/year--in order to use touchdown, but in order to go that route I'd want to have confidence that touchdown was the best, and was going to stay ahead.
 
More on sync: There's a wonderful web site devoted to the issue of sync'ing android with outlook or similar. I won't duplicate the information there but only point out that from that I found "my phone explorer" which I've installed a played with a little. It seems terrific. It has its own desktop PIM program, just like palm desktop, as well as being able to sync to Outlook. Contacts and calendar only--no tasks or notes. But it's free and appears to have a bunch of other nice features as well, like being able to dial your phone from the connected desktop, if I understand correctly.

The other part of the sync equation for a lot of us is that our data is in palm desktop or a palm device, and we'd need to get that into outlook before syncing using a program that syncs between the phone and outlook. The best/cheapest way to do this, if you still can, is to set up your hotsync with your old palm device to sync to outlook and get the data into outlook that way. It looks like that will be hard for me to do with my clie, so I've been looking for how to move a palm datebook.dat file into outlook.

It looked like I'd have to pay for something to do that. DesktopMirror from LivePIM looked like a good option, and they had a fee trial for 10 days so I tried that. No luck. It synced contacts and notes no problem but crashed when I loaded the datebook data file. Then I upgraded to Palm Desktop 6.2 (which was a big project in itself, because the installer got hung up in trying to do an update from the Sony Palm Desktop, and I was left with two half installations, neither of which functioned, and neither of which could be uninstalled straightforwardly). But I got that working, and got the data migrated...but still no luck on using the livepim software to transfer that. I emailed their support and got back questions on details but no help yet.

My next try was a free web service, Palm2CSV. That worked to put my datebook into a CSV file. The only thing I don't like is that it converts repeating events into series of entries for each repetition, extending out to year 2031. That means, for example, that it lists ~400 separate entries for my bi-weekly recycling pickup, which I'd have to change individually if that schedule changes or I move sometime before 2031. Meanwhile, birthdays that I have listed as repeating events all end in 2032--I hope some of my friends and family live beyond 2031, and if not, I'd at least still like to be reminded when to celebrate Tesla's birthday.

So the next options--other than manually re-entering stuff--would be either spending money on software that does not have a free trial--such as Pocket Copy ($25, with 30-day money-back guarantee) or dba2csv ($46)--or using the complicated process described here to trick microsoft's built in features to convert it to an excel file.

It might be worth paying $25 for the Chapura Pocket Copy option, assuming it gets things like repeating events right...but I'm cheap enough that I might try the manual conversion method first.
 
I tried to figure out whether the manual process for getting palm datebook data files into excel could maintain repeating events properly. I'm pretty sure it can't--I haven't actually gone through the full process yet, but I tried exporting a repeating event from outlook to csv, and it told me that it does not support repeating events in that format--the best it could do is series of individual events with a finite date range. So even if I get that information from the palm data into some excel or csv format, I don't know a way to get it into outlook properly preserving repeats.

So it looks like commercial software is the way to go.
 
There are lots of great notepad apps in Android. Unfortunately, very few that meet these criteria:

  • Saves all notes locally on the phone.
  • Can sync to a pc, directly or through the cloud.
  • Saves notes locally on the sync'ed pc
  • Has categorization or tags for the notes

I first tried the combination of Simplenotes as the cloud server with Jade Notes as the Android app and Resophnotes as the pc app. Resophnotes is great--quick and easy to use, supports tags, etc. Unfortunately, I'm not as thrilled with Jade Notes. My biggest complaint is that I can't select a tag (category) from a menu---rather I need to type (or graffiti) in the tag for each new note. Other complaints are that I find the colors in the list of notes hard to read and I don't see an option to change that, and the app opens to a full list of all my (hundreds) of notes, whereas I'd rather have it open to a list of categories, or a category I choose.

So now I'm looking at two options from Touchdown--either using the full touchdown product (syncing with exchange) or their "nitronotes" beta that is not fully supported and might never become a real product. I hate to count on a beta with weak support but that is looking like a better option right now. The only weakness I see is that in either of those options, you can't create new categories in the android app, only in outlook. But you can work with the categories on the phone, assigning new notes to them, etc. One quirk is that when you open a note, you can't edit it. To do that, you long-press on the note in the list and select edit. That threw me at first, but now that I understand it I think that's much better than being in edit mode every time you open a note--avoids accidental edits.

[Edits:

1) I was wrong--nitronotes doesn't seem to support categories or tags at all--only touchdown does that.

2) Another option is B folders, a secure encrypted synced database for notes, contacts, etc. It seems like a great program, but most of my notes don't need encryption and I don't really want the overhead of using a password to access them.]
 
Did I mention that I have been using Mark/Space's Missing Sync...?

It's pricey. It isn't quite polished. It got bugs. But, FWIW, it's the best Outlook sync program that suites my needs (no cloud involved, sync notes, Wi-Fi...) thus far.

The other option is VCOrganizer Pro, which wasn't available when I purchased Missing Sync.

Both VCO and Mark/Space use their own calendar apps instead of the built-in one.

However, I expect something major to change in the Android calendar field soon. Which may make these non-built-in calendar apps not so attractive...
 
@chrs: Have you considered Pimlical (http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/index.html)? It seems to able to grab data from Palm Desktop, and it syncs with Google Calendar.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've considered that but for me, outlook makes more sense as my workplace is aiming to standardize on Outlook over the next 6 months and I might as well move in that direction too. But I would likely be going that route it I was not trying to use outlook.
 
I'm also an Outlook user. It itself really is not a particular good calendar app but, having paid for it and, because of this and that, I'm still and will be using it for the foreseeable future.

Back to the topic (and correct me if I'm not thinking straight, it's late at night), your problem is that the data is struck in Palm Desktop and you need to find a way to migrate them into Outlook, and installing the Outlook conduit is not an option (why?), right?

If so, you may want to read this.

Can I import my Palm Desktop Calendar to Google - Calendar Help

It's about exporting the data in dba format, importing to Yahoo!, then exporting to CSV readable by Outlook.

Not sure how well it works, but at worst you can still buy PocketCopy...
 
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