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Root Next best verizon phone for root?

jaydotelloh

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So, my droid decided to destroy it's own speaker and now I plan on getting a replacement through insurance...

First of all, are og droids still being offered? Second, what is the next best phone for rooting and roming? Love my droid but I can't live with out a speaker..any suggestions?
 
I would say the HTC Incredible, since it seems to have a pretty good selection when it comes to ROMing and whatnot. There's already a pretty functional Gingerbread ROM for it.
 
The incredible was my first thought, and I've actually rooted an romed a buddies incredible, but the 1.2ghz processor on the d2 global is tempting, but it seems like such a scketchy root. Hopefully they will be able to offer the incredible
 
All new Motorola phones are gonna be like that because now that the Droid line is popular because of the awesomeness of the D1, they feel they can keep selling crap that is impossible to root.

Look into HTC's 2 new offerings on Verizon that should be coming up soon (Mecha/Incredible HD which is a DX equivalent and Merge which is a D2 equivalent). They should be mentioned in the next week or two at CES 2011.
 
I have to agree with shadow. The D1 was an experiment to get Motorola back out into the forefront - but, typical of them, they rest on their laurels, adding things like bootloaders that scan for the OS or MotoBLAH (!) to their phones.

I just want another phone like mine is now - vanilla Android OS that I can easily root, ROM, and theme, without a S**tload of fluff and bloat.

I may have to jump ship and go with HTC next time around - or else Samsung, since that Galaxy S line looks to be refined (but I have no idea on how easy it is to RnR it).

I'm secretly hoping that Google will continue to offer dev phones that are VZW compliant - that way I can get a nice badass phone without having to worry about OEMs trying to lock me out of root privileges....
 
4.3 or larger screen, 10+ MP camera, dual cameras (for video chat), gobs of internal memory (8 GB should be enough lol) plus a standard 32GB microSDHC card, plus an extra slot for an additional card that is 'hot swappable'....

I could go on and on and on....

Oh, and not Sense / MotoBLAH / whatever TF else is out there that is an 'addon' UI - give me a naked android UI, please! I'll theme it the way I want, tyvm.
 
Yeah, I have to go with Shadow on this. Is there a way you can live with an old phone or a free one for a month of two before the new HTC phones are released? I think the only one that has been really hard to crack was the Eris. The Incredible took a little while, but at least it has a complete exploit instead of the crap on the X and D2. I may be going with the Thunderbolt/Meca whatever when it comes out. I really never use the keyboard anymore since using Swiftkey, plus I'd like something a little thinner and lighter.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure what was up with the Eris that made it so hard to root. Considering it was just a Hero clone and the Hero had already been rooted by then, I'm gonna go ahead and say that once again, it was Verizon's meddling that caused it. Seriously, if the D1 didn't exist, Verizon's entire Android lineup history would be filled with inferior, locked-down products. Anyway, like I said, Jan 6-9 is CES 2011, and there should be a whole load of new phones announced there. If anyone plans to release anything within the first half of 2011, it'll definitely have a mention there.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure what was up with the Eris that made it so hard to root. Considering it was just a Hero clone and the Hero had already been rooted by then, I'm gonna go ahead and say that once again, it was Verizon's meddling that caused it. Seriously, if the D1 didn't exist, Verizon's entire Android lineup history would be filled with inferior, locked-down products. Anyway, like I said, Jan 6-9 is CES 2011, and there should be a whole load of new phones announced there. If anyone plans to release anything within the first half of 2011, it'll definitely have a mention there.

Correction, VZW's entire linup of smart and dumbphones IS filled with inferior, locked down products.

The D1 is pretty much the (only) exception to the rule here. You can argue Dinc, or a few others - but I can guarantee that every dumbphone fom VZW I have ever had has had crap locked down and not working the way it should.

It's why I want to buy a phone not subsidized by the carrier this time, so I can get my hands on a phone and customize it the way that *I* want to.
 
thanks for all the input guys. I would LOVE to wait for one of the new phones coming out for CES, however, I am going into VZW in the next couple hours to see if they will give me a Dinc as a insurance replacement. Ill have to wait for another year for my contract to be up to upgrade to another device.
 
After 45min on the phone with Assurion, I am disappointed to say that I will be losing my D1 :mad: :( After talking to a pion and 2 supervisors, I was informed that they had neither a Droid 1 nor a Droid Incredible to offer me. However, they lost any credibility with me when the first person didn't know the difference between a Droid2 and the Droid 2 Global. Alas, I accepted the D2G reluctantly, it will be here tomorrow. Jeez, they didn't even tell me what color it was... (please not white, please not white)


Off to spend the last night i have with my D1 :(
 
Correction, VZW's entire linup of smart and dumbphones IS filled with inferior, locked down products.

The D1 is pretty much the (only) exception to the rule here. You can argue Dinc, or a few others - but I can guarantee that every dumbphone fom VZW I have ever had has had crap locked down and not working the way it should.

It's why I want to buy a phone not subsidized by the carrier this time, so I can get my hands on a phone and customize it the way that *I* want to.

I don't think it's possible to get a phone on a CDMA carrier that's not sold directly by the carrier. Well, maybe it is possible, but it would require a helluva lot of
effort. And GSM is just inferior, so no matter how you look at it, you're getting screwed! :p

Or you could just go the Sprint route, which I'm seriously considering. CDMA and phones that aren't locked down pieces of crap? Sounds good to me. Plus, it's cheaper than Verizon and their coverage is pretty good.
 
I don't think it's possible to get a phone on a CDMA carrier that's not sold directly by the carrier. Well, maybe it is possible, but it would require a helluva lot of
effort. And GSM is just inferior, so no matter how you look at it, you're getting screwed! :p

Or you could just go the Sprint route, which I'm seriously considering. CDMA and phones that aren't locked down pieces of crap? Sounds good to me. Plus, it's cheaper than Verizon and their coverage is pretty good.

I'm also very tempted to leave Verizon at the end of my contract. I've been with them for nearly 8 years, and now having two smartphones on a fam contract (with the fiance), I'm getting a little tired of paying $170 a month. Plus, living in DC, and even if we move it'll likely be to as big a city, I have great coverage from all the carriers. I just wish Google would make a dev. phone for Verizon, but that'll never happen. :(
 
I have to agree with shadow. The D1 was an experiment to get Motorola back out into the forefront - but, typical of them, they rest on their laurels, adding things like bootloaders that scan for the OS or MotoBLAH (!) to their phones.

I just want another phone like mine is now - vanilla Android OS that I can easily root, ROM, and theme, without a S**tload of fluff and bloat.

I may have to jump ship and go with HTC next time around - or else Samsung, since that Galaxy S line looks to be refined (but I have no idea on how easy it is to RnR it).

I'm secretly hoping that Google will continue to offer dev phones that are VZW compliant - that way I can get a nice badass phone without having to worry about OEMs trying to lock me out of root privileges....

My sentiments exactly. In fact, I've already done that. Bought a new Incredible on eBay, got it last week and rooted it - EXTREMELY easy to do on a Mac - and I put CyanogenMod 6.1 on it. This version of CyanogenMod comes with a kernel that is clocked at over 1.1 Ghz. I have SetCPU set to boot up maxed out on Performance and just leave it there. My average benchmarks in Quadrant range from 1500 to 1600 mostly.

The look and feel of course, due to CyanogenMod, is identical to my OG, except that it is fast and smooth ALL THE TIME instead of just when I have enough memory free to make it so on my OG.

I used Sense for a few days and just couldn't deal with it anymore. I hated it. It does have some cool aspects, such as Facebook integration, but its not worth all the extra trouble. By that I mean to do what would require one or two screens with CyanogenMod would at times require 3 or 4 screens with Sense. Way too trouble for me.

But the Incredible is an awesome phone. It has enough memory that you can stream TV episodes from ABC.com, etc... with no lag or stutter, you can game with amazing graphics and no lag or stutter, etc.... That is, of course, being rooted, overclocked, and bloatware-free.
 
I don't think it's possible to get a phone on a CDMA carrier that's not sold directly by the carrier. Well, maybe it is possible, but it would require a helluva lot of
effort. And GSM is just inferior, so no matter how you look at it, you're getting screwed! :p

Or you could just go the Sprint route, which I'm seriously considering. CDMA and phones that aren't locked down pieces of crap? Sounds good to me. Plus, it's cheaper than Verizon and their coverage is pretty good.

Gotta respectfully disagree with you on this one. Verizon is expensive - yes. Are they worth it? YES. Is Sprint worth the difference? Not in my judgement. Their network is way smaller than Big Red, and the coverage you get off the Sprint network is because of Verizon. What this means is that your coverage is much less contiguous than if you were on Verizon exclusively. Reason: due to Sprint's inferior network size, you will leave and re-enter their network frequently, which means you will have to register onto one network, then the other, frequently (if you travel or are in an area they simply don't cover very well). All this registering can wreak havoc on being able to use your phone.

Now if you stay in town, or if you stay well within Sprint's borders most of the time, you could be okay on coverage, but their customer service sucks big time. And that's they truth.

And... eventually we will all be using 4G, and there's no comparison between LTE and WiMax, which is what you get on Sprint.

Stick with Verizon and be happy. :)
 
I agree with that, but for certain users like me, who live in a metropolis, as dreadnatty said, coverage from all 4 carriers is virtually the same; you'll have 3G almost everywhere. And personally, I'm not concerned with 4G at all right now. Coverage will be minimal wherever you go for the next two years, at which point I can jump ship to another carrier!

Can't say anything about Sprint's customer service, though. I've never used any other carrier.
 
I agree with that, but for certain users like me, who live in a metropolis, as dreadnatty said, coverage from all 4 carriers is virtually the same; you'll have 3G almost everywhere. And personally, I'm not concerned with 4G at all right now. Coverage will be minimal wherever you go for the next two years, at which point I can jump ship to another carrier!

Can't say anything about Sprint's customer service, though. I've never used any other carrier.

Well said... I'm not at all concerned with 4G either - I just meant that eventually, attrition as well as obsolescence will take us all to 4G sooner or later...:) And you're right - if you are elsewhere at that time, you can always come back.

I have sold commercial business accounts for both Verizon and AT&T (the earlier incarnations of those companies) as well as T-Mobile (when it first Powertel), and I have used Sprint/Nextel as a consumer after that. As an insider, I can say that once the consolidation began within the industry (when Verizon became *Verizon*) Verizon became the best wireless company on all fronts and it has been that way ever since.

Sprint has always had the *coolest* phones of any, but their network size and customer service has always been lacking. They have the best phone right now in my opinion - the Evo - but the fact that to get it requires Sprint service keeps me from getting one, just like AT&T has kept me from getting an iPhone for years.

At any rate, after getting my Incredible and being able to instantly root it and install my favorite ROM - CyanogenMod - right out of the box, it would be hard for me to buy anything I could not immediately root and customize.
 
I don't think it's possible to get a phone on a CDMA carrier that's not sold directly by the carrier. Well, maybe it is possible, but it would require a helluva lot of
effort. And GSM is just inferior, so no matter how you look at it, you're getting screwed! :p

Or you could just go the Sprint route, which I'm seriously considering. CDMA and phones that aren't locked down pieces of crap? Sounds good to me. Plus, it's cheaper than Verizon and their coverage is pretty good.

I could go the Sprint route, but that would mean:

  1. A new contract
  2. A new phone and setup
  3. Losing my corporate discount with VZW
  4. Limited access to tech support

My university has a 25% discount b/c all of the administrative bigwigs (from deans on up the chain) have Blackberry's through VZW, so that means that faculty and staff (and grad students like me are paid by the university, so we're technically considered staff) get a huge discount, even larger than the normal 20% IIRC. For a family plan with 2 smart phones (Blackberry and my DROID) plus a dumbphone, including everything we pay only $135 / month.

Even better, when I buy accessories through VZW, I get the same corp discount applied to them as well....Even when I bought the phones, IIRC, I got the discount on the new plans (although I think the subsidized phones themselves were not discounted).

It's just a win-win situation for me, as I live far from a major metropolitan area, and VZW also happens to have the best coverage at the university, bar none. All my friends on AT&T lost coverage inside buildings, and my friends on Sprint are hit and miss due to a variety of reasons - me, I chug along all the time, listening to Pandora indoors all day (as an example).

I used to have Cingular myself, and we always lost connections in buildings on campus. Now, I am hard pressed to lose a connection even in an elevator...

I'm also very tempted to leave Verizon at the end of my contract. I've been with them for nearly 8 years, and now having two smartphones on a fam contract (with the fiance), I'm getting a little tired of paying $170 a month. Plus, living in DC, and even if we move it'll likely be to as big a city, I have great coverage from all the carriers. I just wish Google would make a dev. phone for Verizon, but that'll never happen. :(

sounds about right, with the discount that I have 20% of $170 would be $34, making my cost about $136, whereas m actual bill is ~$135.

It's to each his own - gotta do what you gotta do.

My sentiments exactly. In fact, I've already done that. Bought a new Incredible on eBay, got it last week and rooted it - EXTREMELY easy to do on a Mac - and I put CyanogenMod 6.1 on it. This version of CyanogenMod comes with a kernel that is clocked at over 1.1 Ghz. I have SetCPU set to boot up maxed out on Performance and just leave it there. My average benchmarks in Quadrant range from 1500 to 1600 mostly.

The look and feel of course, due to CyanogenMod, is identical to my OG, except that it is fast and smooth ALL THE TIME instead of just when I have enough memory free to make it so on my OG.

I used Sense for a few days and just couldn't deal with it anymore. I hated it. It does have some cool aspects, such as Facebook integration, but its not worth all the extra trouble. By that I mean to do what would require one or two screens with CyanogenMod would at times require 3 or 4 screens with Sense. Way too trouble for me.

But the Incredible is an awesome phone. It has enough memory that you can stream TV episodes from ABC.com, etc... with no lag or stutter, you can game with amazing graphics and no lag or stutter, etc.... That is, of course, being rooted, overclocked, and bloatware-free.

That might be my other alternative - find a good used one online that is in like-brand-new condition. Not sure if I would trust eBay anymore though, too many people selling BS on there, but there are plenty of other sources as well.

Gotta respectfully disagree with you on this one. Verizon is expensive - yes. Are they worth it? YES. Is Sprint worth the difference? Not in my judgement. Their network is way smaller than Big Red, and the coverage you get off the Sprint network is because of Verizon. What this means is that your coverage is much less contiguous than if you were on Verizon exclusively. Reason: due to Sprint's inferior network size, you will leave and re-enter their network frequently, which means you will have to register onto one network, then the other, frequently (if you travel or are in an area they simply don't cover very well). All this registering can wreak havoc on being able to use your phone.

Now if you stay in town, or if you stay well within Sprint's borders most of the time, you could be okay on coverage, but their customer service sucks big time. And that's they truth.

And... eventually we will all be using 4G, and there's no comparison between LTE and WiMax, which is what you get on Sprint.

Stick with Verizon and be happy. :)

I agree with that, but for certain users like me, who live in a metropolis, as dreadnatty said, coverage from all 4 carriers is virtually the same; you'll have 3G almost everywhere. And personally, I'm not concerned with 4G at all right now. Coverage will be minimal wherever you go for the next two years, at which point I can jump ship to another carrier!

Can't say anything about Sprint's customer service, though. I've never used any other carrier.

Well said... I'm not at all concerned with 4G either - I just meant that eventually, attrition as well as obsolescence will take us all to 4G sooner or later...:) And you're right - if you are elsewhere at that time, you can always come back.

I have sold commercial business accounts for both Verizon and AT&T (the earlier incarnations of those companies) as well as T-Mobile (when it first Powertel), and I have used Sprint/Nextel as a consumer after that. As an insider, I can say that once the consolidation began within the industry (when Verizon became *Verizon*) Verizon became the best wireless company on all fronts and it has been that way ever since.

Sprint has always had the *coolest* phones of any, but their network size and customer service has always been lacking. They have the best phone right now in my opinion - the Evo - but the fact that to get it requires Sprint service keeps me from getting one, just like AT&T has kept me from getting an iPhone for years.

At any rate, after getting my Incredible and being able to instantly root it and install my favorite ROM - CyanogenMod - right out of the box, it would be hard for me to buy anything I could not immediately root and customize.

And that is the key for me as well. Having been rooted right around a year (give or take a few weeks) and having played with a variety of ROMs and themes, I could not handle being stuck using a stock ROM - and I certainly could not handle Sense, nor MotoBLAH (I know I sound like a broken record, but ffs, I hate both of the - period).
 
You're right, in your situation it would be dumb to change to another carrier. Especially with that huge discount you've got.

As far as the phone itself goes, I'm starting to get more comfortable with the idea of buying themed phones if only because I can always throw CyanogenMod on there. But it has to be a phone where you can get a real, legitimate root. Not the hacky, sloppy, thrown-together crap we have on the D2 and DX. Something legitimate like what we have on the OG Droid and the Incredible (all HTC phones, now that I think about it, right?).
 
That is exactly what I am considering now. I hate MotoBLAH - but I can always get rid of it, provided my Motorola phone allows a true root.

if it doesn't then it ain't gonna be my phone, yanno? lol.
 
As far as the phone itself goes, I'm starting to get more comfortable with the idea of buying themed phones if only because I can always throw CyanogenMod on there. But it has to be a phone where you can get a real, legitimate root. Not the hacky, sloppy, thrown-together crap we have on the D2 and DX. Something legitimate like what we have on the OG Droid and the Incredible (all HTC phones, now that I think about it, right?).

Man, you are right on the money there. I've tried every ROM that would run on my OG, and my favorite HANDS DOWN is CyanogenMod. The fact that there is a version of CM available for the Incredible would have all by itself sold me on the Incredible over the X.

That said, I do believe you are right about HTC phones in general... I think they can all be legitimately rooted, although some may be more difficult than others. With literally *one click*, the Incredible can be rooted. I didn't believe it until I did it, but it's true. It's so friggin easy I can't believe there are any stock Incredibles out there running Sense. It was a lot easier than rooting my OG, and I can do just as much with it.

I'm so happy with my Dinc that I don't think I'll have any problems at all holding off on the first batch of dual core phones coming out next month. For one, I'd be stuck running stock until someone establishes root, and then there's waiting for custom ROMs. I'd much rather just stick with a superbly running Incredible and wait for the quad-core phones later this year. :D
 
Haha, I wouldn't count on quad-core processors in phones for quite a while. I for one am concerned about the heat and power requirements of even using a dual-core processor in a phone. But I'm really, really surprised that the DX doesn't have CyanogenMod. It seems like every flagship phone out there (and a handful of cheaper ones, provided they're popular) gets CyanogenMod. Why wouldn't a phone that's arguably been the most popular device on the largest network in the US for the past 6 months or so get it?
 
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