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Root Thinking of rooting but......

QuickDraw said:
Did you mean you DON'T EXPECT it to work, or you DO EXPECT it to work? Is it supposed to be SHOULD or SHOULDN'T? :)


Ok, now according to the unrevoked package ran from my computer, the phone is officially ROOTED again. Is there any further steps needed to get back to "NORMAL"? I mean, I thought that I already had the proper HTC Boot version and all that, but you gave me the impression that I didn't. I'm not giving up, but this is exactly why I didn't feel right about doiing a ROOT in the first place, I'm just a clutz when it comes to this stuff. :eek: Thanks for your continued patience.
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Ack, I'm sorry, I meant "shouldn't". There's no reason why it *shouldn't* work. Obviously you figured that out since it worked :). Sorry about that.

Anyway, in your OTA updates, you potentially updated your hboot version if you didn't already have 2.10. It doesn't really matter since unrevoked roots everything available right now. You are now officially rooted. When I said you might get errors, it's because you already had s-off, which is a part of unrevoked. It wouldn't have made a difference. As long as you a) have s-off listed in hboot, b) have a custom recovery (clockwork) once again, and c) can get the # prompt in a terminal emulator when typing "su" then enter, you're good to go.

EDIT: Oh, and make sure you have the Superuser app. I see you no reason why you wouldn't, but go ahead and verify.
 
akazabam said:
Ack, I'm sorry, I meant "shouldn't". There's no reason why it *shouldn't* work. Obviously you figured that out since it worked :). Sorry about that.

Anyway, in your OTA updates, you potentially updated your hboot version if you didn't already have 2.10. It doesn't really matter since unrevoked roots everything available right now. You are now officially rooted. When I said you might get errors, it's because you already had s-off, which is a part of unrevoked. It wouldn't have made a difference. As long as you a) have s-off listed in hboot, b) have a custom recovery (clockwork) once again, and c) can get the # prompt in a terminal emulator when typing "su" then enter, you're good to go.

EDIT: Oh, and make sure you have the Superuser app. I see you no reason why you wouldn't, but go ahead and verify.
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Thanks for your assistance. Yes I have the SU app, and used a terminal program to verify I had ROOT. I got the # after the SU app popped up and asked if I wanted to give permission. Very cool. Now I have to call it a day. Expecting my wife anytime now. However I would greatly appreciate any help you could give me on how to flash ROM's and the best ROM's for tethering...not a wifi tether, but what I would like to do is have the same type of access you would have if I were using the HotSpot. I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab and would like to be able to use it on trips without having to be in some store with free wifi. I'll be back here between 1-3 a.m. Thanks again akazabam.
 
QuickDraw said:
Thanks for your assistance. Yes I have the SU app, and used a terminal program to verify I had ROOT. I got the # after the SU app popped up and asked if I wanted to give permission. Very cool. Now I have to call it a day. Expecting my wife anytime now. However I would greatly appreciate any help you could give me on how to flash ROM's and the best ROM's for tethering...not a wifi tether, but what I would like to do is have the same type of access you would have if I were using the HotSpot. I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab and would like to be able to use it on trips without having to be in some store with free wifi. I'll be back here between 1-3 a.m. Thanks again akazabam.
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No problem :). Sounds like everything is working fine for you. As for flashing ROMs, the best instructions are in the Rooting for Dummies thread:

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/194918-rooting-dummies-extras.html

Check section 3 under "after rooting". I am always around, though, if you have any specific questions or simply get stuck, and can't find the answer. I have a couple of comments, though. I don't know what version of unrevoked you used, but they just released an update recently to use Clockwork 2.6. I suggest you install ROM manager, open it, and see what version of Clockwork it says you have. If you have 3.0.x,x, for now, I suggest you flash Clockwork 2.6. Most ROMs, mods, etc., currently won't work well with 3.0. You also have the option to use an alternate recovery called Amon RA. You can flash that through ROM manager as well. Just keep in mind, if you want to use ROM manager to actually flash ROMs, etc., you need to use Clockwork.

I don't quite understand what you mean by using hotspot instead of wifi tether. For the most part, and with a few differences in how they work, Sprint hotpot and android wifi tether are basically the same thing. Sprint hotspot might have better client device support (ability to connect more devices and device types). All ROMs, including stock, can use android wifi tether. If you'd like to use Sprint hotspot for free, you need to flash a ROM that has it unlocked. An example is Myn's Warm. You can use the built-in Sprint hotpot without paying $30/month, as it has been unlocked. I would say, first try this:

Wireless Tether for Root Users - Android app on AppBrain

That will work on your current rom (stock).
 
Ok, I d/l'd ROM Manager and ran it, however I don't see a way to check what version of clockwork I have. I can see at the top of the phone screen that the version # for the Rom manager is 3.0.0.2 but cannot see any way of checking the version of ClockWork .. or are they one in the same? I also don't know of any way to check the version # of UNREVOKED. All that was discussed on that website (xda) was the fact that it was version 3, it didn't indicate anything after that like 3.0 or 3.2.2 etc.



Hotspot as opposed to wifi tether was an attempt to get accross I needed to be able to connect to the internet...etc. with my OTHER device with only my phone...not sure why I didn't consider it one in the same, other than the fact that I was extreemly tired. :o
 
Excellent....I am currently posting this via my Samsung Galaxy using the WiFi tether app from appbrain. I cannot believe how relatively easy this was, and its the only reason I wanted root. Thanks to all in this thread who helped me achieve this...and of course the developers.
 
QuickDraw said:
Excellent....I am currently posting this via my Samsung Galaxy using the WiFi tether app from appbrain. I cannot believe how relatively easy this was, and its the only reason I wanted root. Thanks to all in this thread who helped me achieve this...and of course the developers.
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Im glad everything worked out for you :)

Now that the hard part is done you can do the fun stuff like customize the look of your phone with themes and try out roms that offer great features and better battery life.
 
Jayo619 said:
Im glad everything worked out for you :)

Now that the hard part is done you can do the fun stuff like customize the look of your phone with themes and try out roms that offer great features and better battery life.
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Hey, thanks. I might be a little hesitant to do anything right away as the purpose of my wanting to root in the first place, I've alread taken care of, with a LOT of help.

Perhaps you, or akazabam, or anyone else for that mater, can give me some tips on how best to UNROOT? This is what I believe I would need to do in order to get updates, be they software or whatever, correct me if I'm wrong.


By the way, is it possible now for me to uninstall some of this bloatware that came on this phone? Thanks for your time.
 
Wow, after d/l'ing a ROM and using Rom Manager to install it...etc, Rom Manager I guess deleted itself as it is no longer showing up on my device. So what the heck do I do now, just d/l it again? Will it be able to determine what it's already done? What was the purpose of it giving me the option to back everything up if it's going to delete itself? I followed the instructions here: http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/194918-rooting-dummies-extras.html

so everything should've gone ok, correct?


EDIT: Scratch these questions .. I took it upon myself to d/l ROM Manager again to see if I could answer all these questions on my own, and it turns out I can. Whooda thunk it? :-)
 
You dont need to unroot for your phone to get updates... When a new update comes out the rom developers usually root the rom for you and you can just flash that rom....

Just make sure you dont accept the OTA updates because sometimes they can break your root.
 
And you can use Titanium Backup to delete bloatware and to back up your apps and data. That program makes switching roms easier on you.

One benefit with roms like Fresh is they remove all the bloatware for you and the roms them selves are optimized for speed and great battery life. I was nervous about flashing roms at first but once i did it i realized it was pretty easy and the benefits were great.
 
Wow, I missed a lot, here... Does anyone ever sleep around here? :p

Jayo619 is correct that you don't need to unroot to get what you need from an OTA. In fact, the only reason you should ever unroot is to take your phone in for service. The only thing is that you will need to flash new radio, etc. updates, manually. Since you're just starting out, I won't go into too much detail as to not confuse you. Basically take what you just did before with flashing ROM, but add one more step.

FYI, the reason you had to reinstall ROM manager was because whatever ROM you flashed didn't include it. Backups are made in clockwork, which you always have until you switch recoveries. You always have the ability to reboot directly in recovery and restore a backup without ROM manager.
 
Thanks guys for your help. I got another question (if ya don't mind). How does a person know exactly what they can/should not get rid of on the micro sim card? I've been messing around a lot with different roms and each time I do a backup, and because of that, I'm rapidly running out of space. Thanks for your input.
 
you can take all files you used to root and flash roms and kernels. i keep the last 2 nandroid backups and keep the rest on my laptop
 
wake69 said:
you can take all files you used to root and flash roms and kernels. i keep the last 2 nandroid backups and keep the rest on my laptop
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Thanks for your input. Sorry, I should've been more clear. I was speaking mainly about what the phone system would have to have in order for it to run, and then I was planning on getting rid of everything else except what's absolutely necessary, like my purchases which would include of course ROM manipulation program, backup program and a couple of backups just in case.
 
QuickDraw said:
Thanks for your input. Sorry, I should've been more clear. I was speaking mainly about what the phone system would have to have in order for it to run, and then I was planning on getting rid of everything else except what's absolutely necessary, like my purchases which would include of course ROM manipulation program, backup program and a couple of backups just in case.
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Nobody has a link or anything?
 
QuickDraw said:
A link showing what the evo system needs in order to run. I'm trying to lighten the load on my micro sim card while I'm messing around with ROM's. :D Thanks for the reply.
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Make sure you make a nandroid back up before you start deleting stuff just in case you accidently mess something up :P

*oops, didnt catch the part about the micro sim card
 
Jayo619 said:
Make sure you make a nandroid back up before you start deleting stuff just in case you accidently mess something up :P
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A nandroid backup won't save you if you remove something from the sdcard that you shouldn't have (with some minor exceptions). Unfortunately, I don't have a link for you that describes what you need and what you don't. The problem is that a lot of apps you download from the market put various folders and such on the sdcard, and it's not always apparent what they are by name.

The best thing to do is:

If it looks like a system directory of some sort, don't mess with it. Google it if you have to. Example - /sdcard/Android - don't delete that. Another example - /sdcard/.android_secure. the "." before a folder name means it's hidden, so depending on how you're viewing the sdcard, you may not see it. Leave it alone. There are others, so as you go through your sdcard, if you're not sure, just look it up. DCIM is another example.

As for the rest of the junk that accumulates, just open each directory and see what's in it. Most of the time it's' from other apps, like I said. If you no longer have an app that a /sdcard directory belongs to, feel free to wipe it out.

Before you do anything, always back up your entire sdcard contents to your computer.

To be honest, it's not worth your time if the directory is under a few MB in size. I'm sure there are a dozen ways to do this, but I'm used to the command line, so I can show you how to check that way.

Open a terminal emulator, and (assuming you have busybox installed), type the following:

cd /sdcard
du -sh *

That will dump out a list of all the directories on your sdcard with the total size of the files in them. You can run the same command in side each directory by doing:

cd /sdcard/somebigdirectory
du -sh *
 
Ok guys, thanks. I kinda figured since I couldn't find anything about the subject (pretty much anywhere) that that was the case. I could I suppose just make sure that I copy over the backups to the computer and then get rid of them on the sdcard and save space that way .. I could probably do the same thing with the ROM's couldn't I? At any rate, I appreciate the input, thanks.


By the way, thanks akazabam for that Terminal Emulator tip.
 
Yes, there is no need to keep all of your ROMs and nandroid backups on the sdcard, BUT you should always keep one of each on the card. I always keep one nandroid backup of a configuration I know works, and the flashable zip of the ROM I'm currently running. Those two things will help get you out of about 90% of the trouble you can get yourself in (unless you like to live dangerously...).
 
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