Do 56% of Verizon

[brownhornet]

Just sayin'

Funny how highlighting different words can shed a different light on things

But let's not start with insults...

Uh, I dont remember my point EVER being how many phones they sold. I said they set a record in two hours.. which they did.

 

[UBRocked]

Uh, I dont remember my point EVER being how many phones they sold. I said they set a record in two hours.. which they did.

I think I understood your point just fine. But I do have a question...Which sales records did they break?

They could have broken the sales record for "Most phones sold between the hours of 3AM and 5AM". When they create their own categories for various "sales records", they can set sales records anytime they want to. Shareholders like to hear that Verizon is "setting records" too...

Look, I'm not disputing that they probably sold a lot of iPhones (I saw that they projected 1 Million phones at the end of the first week) . I believe that they will continue to sell a lot of iPhones and I believe that the iPhone will be Verizon's most popular device ever. But "setting a record" and not telling anyone what that record is...that's just a way to generate hype and buzz.

 

[sarstube]

iphone on verizon is going to be huge, and as a stock holder in apple i couldn't be happier.

different strokes for different folks. personally i don't get all the animosity back and forth, especially from android's side. without iphone, no android. it's that simple.

they are both highly capable and excellent software and devices.

 

[jroc]

^U right I dont get all the animosity either.

Without MS, Palm and RIM, no iPhone. Its that simple.

@UBRocked..I remember reading it was 200,000, then it was 500,000. U right. What record did they break? If the Droid 1 was the biggest launch ever for a Verizon phone before with 100,000...and the iPhone broke it with 200,000...

Whooped di doo...

 

[PSkeptic]

The only time a stupid iPhone will be in my hand will be to SPIKE it into the sidewalk and watch Apple's little Nazi device explode into pieces !!

I'd sell it. "A sucker born every minute"...

 

[sarstube]

^U right I dont get all the animosity either.

Without MS, Palm and RIM, no iPhone. Its that simple.

sure, in the way that without black and white tv, no color tv. or without propeller airplane, no jet airplane.

iphone 1g is a clearly marked "revolution" in it's given field. iphone 3g, 3gs, 4, android 1-2.4, win 7, palm pre, etc all fall in line after.

i'm personally going to upgrade to a very capable android in the near future, but i think its silly to not give credit and respect to apple for pushing the envelope and inspiring different but great competitors like android.

 

[Bnice]

sure, in the way that without black and white tv, no color tv. or without propeller airplane, no jet airplane.

iphone 1g is a clearly marked "revolution" in it's given field. iphone 3g, 3gs, 4, android 1-2.4, win 7, palm pre, etc all fall in line after.

i'm personally going to upgrade to a very capable android in the near future, but i think its silly to not give credit and respect to apple for pushing the envelope and inspiring different but great competitors like android.

How is it revolutionary when all the features it poses already been in exsistence?. Just because its stamped with a logo doesn't make it revolutionary ..

 

[sarstube]

How is it revolutionary when all the features it poses already been in exsistence?. Just because its stamped with a logo doesn't make it revolutionary ..

i realize i'm on an android fan site, but are you really that short sighted? have we all forgotten what cell phones were like before the iphone?

mulit-touch was first applied on a mobile device on the iphone, but i digress. did the majority of features exist before the iphone? sure, but did they exist all on the same device, on a snappy, easily digestible, and revolutionary (yes, i said it without quotation marks) OS?

regardless of whether you think the phone's features were revolutionary or not, it's form factor and experience were unlike anything before and the masses approved. the almighty dollar tipped it's hat towards the iphone, and the rest of the world (see also: google) noticed.

if you enjoy and love android, you are in effect enjoying something inspired by the iphone.

 

[UBRocked]

sure, in the way that without black and white tv, no color tv. or without propeller airplane, no jet airplane.

iphone 1g is a clearly marked "revolution" in it's given field. iphone 3g, 3gs, 4, android 1-2.4, win 7, palm pre, etc all fall in line after.

i'm personally going to upgrade to a very capable android in the near future, but i think its silly to not give credit and respect to apple for pushing the envelope and inspiring different but great competitors like android.

You are 100% correct IMO. Apple did build off of the other platforms but they really took it to another level and made smartphones something that mainstream consumers wanted instead of just being for business users.

I think around here, you would find many people...like myself...that feel Android has done the same thing. My wife still has the original Droid. She went to log in to Verizon's website to pay our bill and saw the front page ad about the iPhone. She asked me if that was a "big deal" (she's not really into anything "techie" LOL). I told her that it was a big deal and I asked her if she wanted it for her replacement device. She then asked me "Why? What's it do?" I told her that it had a slightly smaller screen than her Droid (true), no physical keyboard (true but not a knock on Apple...she just insists on having a physical keyboard ), and I explained that the interface was basically just an app drawer (true), with no widgets (true), and it has an outdated notification system (true...yet subjective as to whether it is good or bad). I then told her that it was the most popular smartphone in the world (true), that many people believe it is the best smartphone available with the most polished OS (true) and Apple has the best app store (true...at the present moment).

Anyone disputing what I told her? Well...she said it sounded boring!

Point is that when you look at Android and iOS...Android seems to be more modern. Is Android building off of Apple's successes? Of course!

Apple made the smartphone widely popular...Android made them better (that's just an opinion...but its right! )

iOS is only on 1 phone, 1 screen size, 1 form factor...and everything about it is locked down (the phone itself, the OS, the App Store, iTunes, etc.). Android is on MANY devices in a variety of form factors with larger screens, smaller screens, landscape qwerty slider, portrait qwerty, etc. Some are locked down more than others but that is done at the phonemanufacturer's discretion and not at the OS level itself (thanks for being THAT guy Motorola )...but you have many choices and options based on individual personal preference.

Apple made the tablet popular just by loading iOS on to a device with a 10" screen...Google made a tablet specific OS!

Apple made TV better and...okay, well there is still a lot of work to be done there for GoogleTV!

Now, after having sounded like and Android fanboy ...I think Apple does make great products. I think they are the "right products" for many people (albeit...not for me). I think the animosity comes into play when the iPhone touting fanboys dis anything that isn't made by Apple. That elitist attitude makes people want to throw things that their phone fails to do up in their faces. Look at my avatar!

I really could care less that the iPhone doesn't have flash. I don't care that the iPhone is the #1 most popular phone. If I cared about owning the most popular device, I wouldn't have bought a Droid and then a Fascinate. I wouldn't be upgrading to the T-Bolt or the Bionic (still undecided what I'm getting next...). I just would have bought an iPhone in the past and would be buying another iPhone next (wouldn't that alone be boring?...knowing what phone you are going to buy next the same day you buy a new phone?). Don't forget that many Apple fans saw Android doing exactly what WebOS did...which is FAILING miserably! Google was the underdog and it's always more fun to root for the underdog UNLESS you are one they are trying to beat

Bottom line...Google and Apple are standing pretty tall right now while all other OS manufacturers are fizzling out and many people feel the need to "defend their purchasing decisions" so they don't feel like they made a bad decision. That will happen on both sides of the coin.

 

[frenzy757]

Apple is annoying because of the people that use them.

Sorry but at the super bowl party you should have seen the people there who were screaming for joy when they saw the verizon Iphone commercial saying thigns like ANDROID IS DEAD etc etc. It really is just annoying.

Apple stores clapping and yelling when someone buys their first mac is also annoying.

Great brand, great products, but man the people who use them (the ones who know about tech aren't annoying its the band wagoners) are extremely annoying.

 

[sarstube]

@UBRocked, could not have said it better myself (even though i tried). I enjoy both, but i like android more because of the features and open platform (not to mention swype is worth admission to andriod alone, imo)

i just don't understand the animosity ( sometimes downright hatred) of a product...a product. it's perfectly reasonable to dislike a product or company, but some of the things seen and heard (like frenzy mentioned) are just ridiculous. google isn't killing babies. apple isn't burning the rainforest and smothering your grandmother. they are creating and selling products for your consumption.

that was the main point i was trying to say, but of course said too much.


edit: apple tv1 may have actually smothered my grandmother, now that i think about it.

 

[jroc]

sure, in the way that without black and white tv, no color tv. or without propeller airplane, no jet airplane.

iphone 1g is a clearly marked "revolution" in it's given field. iphone 3g, 3gs, 4, android 1-2.4, win 7, palm pre, etc all fall in line after.

i'm personally going to upgrade to a very capable android in the near future, but i think its silly to not give credit and respect to apple for pushing the envelope and inspiring different but great competitors like android.

The only difference is ....no one touts the first color TV as revolutionary, no one touts the first jet plane as revolutionary.

For planes credit goes all the way back to the first plane, not the most modern, most recent, most advanced. Land line phones, credit goes all the way back to the first one, not the most recent.

For some reason, when it comes to smart phones, some ppl want to give credit to the iPhone while dismissing those that came before it.

Think about this: if MS, RIM, Palm didnt try smartphones first....would the iPhone even have used capacitive screens? Maybe they woulda tried resistive screens...who knows. Would iOS look the way it did? Or would they have did like MS and tried to put a PC OS on a smartphone, with resistive screens. Maybe Apple woulda tried to incorporate a stylus interface for their mobile OS.

What prompted Apple to try something different than ALL the other smart phones out at the time? They saw what was out there and wanted to try a different approach. If Apple would have been the first....there's no telling what would have happened.

You are 100% correct when you say give credit and respect....credit and respect to MS, RIM and Palm for inspiring something different.....the iPhone.

 

[Bnice]

i realize i'm on an android fan site, but are you really that short sighted? have we all forgotten what cell phones were like before the iphone?

mulit-touch was first applied on a mobile device on the iphone, but i digress. did the majority of features exist before the iphone? sure, but did they exist all on the same device, on a snappy, easily digestible, and revolutionary (yes, i said it without quotation marks) OS?

regardless of whether you think the phone's features were revolutionary or not, it's form factor and experience were unlike anything before and the masses approved. the almighty dollar tipped it's hat towards the iphone, and the rest of the world (see also: google) noticed.

if you enjoy and love android, you are in effect enjoying something inspired by the iphone.

Android has nothing to do with it, I just state the truth. and once again your wrong,the iphone was not the first touch screen or multi-touch device as you claim. Stop sucking on the apple and learn to free your mind of all the commercial brain wash that you have been expose to. Think for yourself, yes I like my android phone but that was my individual choice and if this make you feel better I own a mac-book. I have no problem with apple, given that they raised the bar for smart phones but a lot of hype is generated towards them and I just don't get it.

 

[brownhornet]

Android has nothing to do with it, I just state the truth. and once again your wrong,the iphone was not the first touch screen or multi-touch device as you claim. Stop sucking on the apple and learn to free your mind of all the commercial brain wash that you have been expose to. Think for yourself, yes I like my android phone but that was my individual choice and if this make you feel better I own a mac-book. I have no problem with apple, given that they raised the bar for smart phones but a lot of hype is generated towards them and I just don't get it.

The iphone may not have been the first multi touch DEVICE, but it was most certainly the first multi touch phone. As a matter of fact Apple bought the company that created the multi touch screen just to BE the first phone with that ability.

 

[PSkeptic]

phanbois...

 

[sarstube]

The only difference is ....no one touts the first color TV as revolutionary, no one touts the first jet plane as revolutionary.

For planes credit goes all the way back to the first plane, not the most modern, most recent, most advanced. Land line phones, credit goes all the way back to the first one, not the most recent.

For some reason, when it comes to smart phones, some ppl want to give credit to the iPhone while dismissing those that came before it.

Think about this: if MS, RIM, Palm didnt try smartphones first....would the iPhone even have used capacitive screens? Maybe they woulda tried resistive screens...who knows. Would iOS look the way it did? Or would they have did like MS and tried to put a PC OS on a smartphone, with resistive screens. Maybe Apple woulda tried to incorporate a stylus interface for their mobile OS.

What prompted Apple to try something different than ALL the other smart phones out at the time? They saw what was out there and wanted to try a different approach. If Apple would have been the first....there's no telling what would have happened.

You are 100% correct when you say give credit and respect....credit and respect to MS, RIM and Palm for inspiring something different.....the iPhone.

so your argument is that what apple made was simply a forgone conclusion, given the previous designs of cell phones? it seems to me that your dislike of apple is blinding you to an obvious truth.

Android has nothing to do with it, I just state the truth. and once again your wrong,the iphone was not the first touch screen or multi-touch device as you claim. Stop sucking on the apple and learn to free your mind of all the commercial brain wash that you have been expose to. Think for yourself, yes I like my android phone but that was my individual choice and if this make you feel better I own a mac-book. I have no problem with apple, given that they raised the bar for smart phones but a lot of hype is generated towards them and I just don't get it.

no, i claimed the iphone was the first multi-touch mobile device. i still believe this to be true, but if you have information stating otherwise please enlighten me. regardless of what you think of apple, i don't think you can argue against the fact that that "hype" translated to sales. sales got the attention of the brass, next thing you know every company wants to make the next "iphone killer", and finally that is overall a great thing for tech enthusiast's such as ourselves? also, i don't have time to pressume anything about you, so if you're looking to trade barbs about being a mindless lemming i'm not your guy.

 

[frenzy757]

do answer the question...I think 56% might be a bit high, but I think its close.

I have spoken to a lot of people and their reaaction is "I have the D Inc, I love it, but I gotta go with the Iphone"

or "I have a BB storm 2 and I am sooo happy the IP4 is here"

So the storm 2 group doesnt affect android, but the first does. And out of the people I know, its about 50/50 of people who aren't switching to those are are planning.


I said this before that I bet a lot switch from Android to iOS, but this is why the last 6-9 months of android were crucial to deliver a perfect customer experience (which I don't think they have)...most people will switch on brand itself...the question is how many who have now experienced Android for 6-9 months stay on Apple or come back. IMO some will see that the grass isn't greener and find they love the Google experience products (Gvoice, Nav, etc), but I really wished Google spent more time on the customer experience like Apple to make it a seamless and fully functioning OS that everyone loves.

Customization isn't a big deal for non techies. Most people's android phones I look at are not even customized. I have seen some who STILL have the "Hello Welcome to Android" widget! They want sex appeal/brand, and user experience. IMO Android has not done enough on that, but we will see.

I have a Nexus S and won't be switching to Apple unless:
- Netflix/MLB.tv just don't ever come out to Android
- Apple fixes their notification system! I had an ipad and nothing is more distracting than a popup while you are watching a movie....popups would disable the mlb.tv streaming and I would have to start it up again..what a pos system seriously
-Apple allows SOME customization

Again, a lot will leave, the question is will they stay away now that they have actually experienced both Apple and Google.

 

[PSkeptic]

I get a feeling a lot of people who had an Android phone will rush to get an iPhone, only to return it once they start getting the "cramped" feeling.

I know about 10 people who have already done so (On AT&T). Caveat, I'm in IT, and my "circle of friends" abounds with nerds (Myself included).

 

[sarstube]

phanbois...

 

[jroc]

so your argument is that what apple made was simply a forgone conclusion, given the previous designs of cell phones? it seems to me that you're dislike of apple is blinding you to an obvious truth.

So I have a dislike for Apple cuz I decide to give credit to the ones that came before Apple?

No not a forgone conclusion, but why did they come with something totally different than everyone else? Its easy to say in hindsight that Apple did this n that cuz they are innovative, revolutionary. What if the roles were reversed? What if they woulda tried it first? Would they have made the decisions they made?

Open your mind....

no, i claimed the iphone was the first multi-touch mobile device. i still believe this to be true, but if you have information stating otherwise please enlighten me. regardless of what you think of apple, i don't think you can argue against the fact that that "hype" translated to sales. sales got the attention brass, next thing you know every company wants to make the next "iphone killer", and finally that is overall a great thing for tech enthusiast's such as ourselves? also, i don't have time to pressume anything about you, so if you're looking to trade barbs about being a mindless lemming i'm not you're guy.

No company sets out to make an "iphone killer". They just wanna compete in the same market. Thats what we and the media call it. How come when the PS3 came out it wasnt called a 360 killer? Or when the orig Xbox came out it wasnt called a PS2 killer? Cuz no one in the media called it that...I dont even remember the PS One being called a Nintendo killer...

Even when the next gen consoles came out, they werent called "killers' compared to the last gen consoles.

It is sad tho that some companies have to try to remind ppl that there is something else out there besides an iPhone or iPad. But even if they do that, they arent marketing it as a "iPhone killer" just something else out there besides an iPhone.

 

[sarstube]

as far as the poll, i think it will be very high for bb users and not so high for android. i realize this is totally anecdotal, but can think of only 3 people (2 men, 1 women) over the age of 50 that were using a droid phone. meanwhile, virtually every baby-boomer who makes over 60k has an iphone and so does their wife. iphone appeals mostly to those "new" to the smartphone market. i think most android users will stay with android, a smaller number will definitely wait out ip5, and a minute number will switch out-right.

(disclaimer:i live in a heavy att community)

 

[Bnice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)

This was before the iphone and the iphone pretty much copy this phone. I know some of you can't handle the true but apple copy and take ideas as well.

 

[jroc]

^Hey, dont you go and mention the Prada!!! Every time I try it on Engadget I get very few responses from the Apple fanboys on there...lol

Seriously, it did come out first, its the first capacitive touch screen phone, (yea yea yea, not MULTI TOUCH...lol) Both Apple and LG were working on similar phones around the same time. I know one thing: someone copied someone. Since there hasent been a lawsuit yet from either company, even tho LG hinted at one back in 2007...it is mighty interesting...

And for real...looking at the UI on the Prada, if anyone wanna say Android copied a UI...I think its the one on the Prada.

 

[sarstube]

So I have a dislike for Apple cuz I decide to give credit to the ones that came before Apple?

sure give them credit, but to skip apple in the ass-grabbing line seems like you dislike them, since android looks and behaves very similar to iphone (which came first) and looks and behaves like nothing offered from ms, rim, palm (before iphone.)

No not a forgone conclusion, but why did they come with something totally different than everyone else? Its easy to say in hindsight that Apple did this n that cuz they are innovative, revolutionary. What if the roles were reversed? What if they woulda tried it first? Would they have made the decisions they made?

Open your mind....

again, if i wanted to hear things like "open your mind" i'd go to a truthers website. i'm not interested in claims of superior thinking, but instead opinions. your opinion is that it was easy for apple to create the iphone because it was different than anything else. my opinion is that creating something completely different is actually quite challenging and creative. if it's so easy why didn't ms, rim, and palm do it before?

No company sets out to make an "iphone killer". They just wanna compete in the same market. Thats what we and the media call it. How come when the PS3 came it it wasnt called a 360 killer? Or when the orig Xbox came out it wasnt called a PS2 killer? Cuz no one in the media called it that...I dont even remember the PS One being called a Nintendo killer...

Its sad that some companies have to try to remind ppl that there is something else out there besides an iPhone or iPad.

you're picking at the wrong thing. don't call it an "iphone killer" then. replace it with simply "iphone" if that helps.

 

[UBRocked]

as far as the poll, i think it will be very high for bb users and not so high for android. i realize this is totally anecdotal, but can think of only 3 people (2 men, 1 women) over the age of 50 that were using a droid phone. meanwhile, virtually every baby-boomer who makes over 60k has an iphone and so does their wife. iphone appeals mostly to those "new" to the smartphone market. i think most android users will stay with android, a smaller number will definitely wait out ip5, and a minute number will switch out-right.

(disclaimer:i live in a heavy att community)

What does the iPhone coming to Verizon do to Windows Mobile 7 sales? Obviously, Verizon has not yet released a WM7 phone and I have found that to be strange.

I think that Microsoft is taking a calculated risk by holding back phones at this time. I think they knew the iPhone was coming a while before it was confirmed and they want to come in with trumpets blazing as "the latest and greatest" thing. Just a thought...


Sidenote: Make sure we keep this thread free of personal attacks. Conversations like this tend to blow up if given enough time. Personally, I enjoy reading people's responses to topics like this and would hate to have to close down a fun thread.