Did you reformat your SD card and do a factory restall when you flashed GSB? That made a HUGE difference for me.
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Root xtrSENSE vs GSB!
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Did you reformat your SD card and do a factory restall when you flashed GSB? That made a HUGE difference for me.
MagnumForce
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I have had XTRSense since at least last June and love it, recently I thought I would try GSB to see what the praise was all about, I was not impressed. The phone ran way worse, all kinds of force closes, it was a lot slower, and had no advantages over XTRSense.
I tried GSB for about 2 weeks and gladly went back to XTRSense. On XTRSense the eris runs flawless.
I tried GSB for about 2 weeks and gladly went back to XTRSense. On XTRSense the eris runs flawless.
majorpay
Well-Known Member
I recently un-rooted, ran stock, re-rooted and backed up stock to run some comparisons. I have found that stock runs phenomenally better than any GingerBread ROM with no issues.
That being said, there are a few things I miss:
1. Lock Screen tweaks. It's nice to have, but not worth the frustration that comes with the GB slowdowns, glitches.
2. The old version of gmail has the delete button in the wrong place. Annoying, but not a deal breaker.
3. Contacts list. The contacts list sucks on stock, but golauncher offers an app that has the contacts in a nice format. Problem is, that's not what comes up when I hit the green talk button.
4. Google backup. This is a nice feature in 2.2+.
5. Battery life. This phone won't last half a day on stock! That is kind of a deal breaker, but since it's running perfect and fast, right now I don't see the alternative.
What I gain from stock:
1. Speed. Sooo much speed. The difference is night and day.
2. Stability. Nothing crashes, music doesn't skip, everything seems perfect. The phone portion itself is more responsive and faster.
Those two items are what we all need in a phone, so this is the deal maker for me for now. I may try XTR, but I'm just posting on my experience of going back and forth between GSB and Stock.
I fully respect and appreciate what the devs are doing over at XDA, but from my experience, there is far more irritating losses moving to GB then there are gains. I seem to remember some of the earlier ROMs were more stable and fast than what's running now, and I have my suspicions about why, but I won't start that flame war.
What did we gain moving from 2.1 to 2.2? A lot, but there were still a decent amount of bugs. What did we gain moving from 2.2 to 2.3? I don't know, you tell me, because all I gained was a bunch of headaches. I don't see one upgrade in 2.3 that would be considered a "significant feature."
Maybe this phone just doesn't have the guts to run 2.3 and we are forcing a bowling ball down a garden hose. It's an accomplishment that it works, but aside from that......
That being said, there are a few things I miss:
1. Lock Screen tweaks. It's nice to have, but not worth the frustration that comes with the GB slowdowns, glitches.
2. The old version of gmail has the delete button in the wrong place. Annoying, but not a deal breaker.
3. Contacts list. The contacts list sucks on stock, but golauncher offers an app that has the contacts in a nice format. Problem is, that's not what comes up when I hit the green talk button.
4. Google backup. This is a nice feature in 2.2+.
5. Battery life. This phone won't last half a day on stock! That is kind of a deal breaker, but since it's running perfect and fast, right now I don't see the alternative.
What I gain from stock:
1. Speed. Sooo much speed. The difference is night and day.
2. Stability. Nothing crashes, music doesn't skip, everything seems perfect. The phone portion itself is more responsive and faster.
Those two items are what we all need in a phone, so this is the deal maker for me for now. I may try XTR, but I'm just posting on my experience of going back and forth between GSB and Stock.
I fully respect and appreciate what the devs are doing over at XDA, but from my experience, there is far more irritating losses moving to GB then there are gains. I seem to remember some of the earlier ROMs were more stable and fast than what's running now, and I have my suspicions about why, but I won't start that flame war.
What did we gain moving from 2.1 to 2.2? A lot, but there were still a decent amount of bugs. What did we gain moving from 2.2 to 2.3? I don't know, you tell me, because all I gained was a bunch of headaches. I don't see one upgrade in 2.3 that would be considered a "significant feature."
Maybe this phone just doesn't have the guts to run 2.3 and we are forcing a bowling ball down a garden hose. It's an accomplishment that it works, but aside from that......
majorpay
Well-Known Member
Technically, no. Which is why I'd be interested in trying XTR.
Something to add to my list:
...Market and downloads work perfectly on stock.
As a background: I've been flashing ROMs since ROMs became available. I was one of the idiots that flashed the leak
So saying stock has gains over the current state of ROMs is based on as much experience as one can have in this arena and really saying a lot. I've probably flashed 30-40 times now.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
youre actually the first person ive seen make that claim!
i have found quite the opposite. the stock rom for me is extremely laggy and slow- i noticed significant improvements when i first rooted and went to a froyo rom. not to mention a more pleasant android experience,since i personally am not a fan of htc sense. 2.3 runs just as well for me as 2.2 did... our little phones do lack internal memory wich is a pretty big drawback for the more sophisticated OS,but it still runs well for me.
not saying your claims have no merrit,but devices differ and your mileage may vary!
edit: as a background,i have only been into it for 3 or 4 months now,but i am a chronic flashoholic
ive flashed just as many roms,prolly more, on my eris alone. ive rooted and unrooted several times to satisfy various curiosities. ive rooted and installed custom roms on 3 other phones as well(2 htc,1 moto) so i have alot of experience running the same roms running on different hardware. not an expert by any means,but like to think i have quite a bit of experience in this area also
majorpay
Well-Known Member
youre actually the first person ive seen make that claim!
i have found quite the opposite. the stock rom for me is extremely laggy and slow- i noticed significant improvements when i first rooted and went to a froyo rom. not to mention a more pleasant android experience,since i personally am not a fan of htc sense. 2.3 runs just as well for me as 2.2 did... our little phones do lack internal memory wich is a pretty big drawback for the more sophisticated OS,but it still runs well for me.
not saying your claims have no merrit,but devices differ and your mileage may vary!
This may be true if you are comparing the stock sense UI, but to be honest, screen changing, etc, has been MUCH smoother on stock. Transitions seem to work better etc. I don't run sense though. I replaced the sense interface with golauncher ex, because I could care less about sense.
2.3 has been a pain in the butt to be honest. I have changed governors, spent weeks tweaking min/max settings, and NOTHING seems to fix the lag issues that are in 2.3. Not to mention that in certain settings, there is music skipping on sleep, phone lag time can be so bad you can miss calls, and the market 50% of the time tells me failed to install on apps. Repeating the install again seems to fix that (sometimes, but you have to keep trying).
To me, stock has been hassle free and no-nonsense. I am hoping I can find a solid ROM. I wasn't picky before, but I am now, because I'm trying to get the most speed, functionality, with least amount of issues (most important) as I am planning within the next few months passing this on to my dad and want to give him the most flawless experience with most functionality gain I can get, as he won't want to mess with issues.
UPDATE: Stock is rooted now (verified) with one-click eris root from the market. I noticed a slight slow down after the one-click root, but hopefully that won't persist and was just the cause of being a fresh boot.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
have you tried other 2.3 roms or just GSB? if youve only run the one,its not really fair to condem 2.3 because of it.
despite immense amount of work workshed has put into it,and it being an unofficial cyanogen rom,there is a small amount of lag that remains for me with each GSB update. otherwise,it works well.
ive tried 2 other ports(tastybread,and currently condemned cm7),and one built from AOSP(OMGB) 2.3 roms. all i have felt were a touch smoother than GSB.
as far as sense,ive never really run the stock rom with a different launcher. when i run a sense rom,i usually run the sense launcher
a fresh stock rom runs fine. but the more apps i add,and the more time goes by,the more confused it seems to get.
majorpay
Well-Known Member
have you tried other 2.3 roms or just GSB? if youve only run the one,its not really fair to condem 2.3 because of it.
despite immense amount of work workshed has put into it,and it being an unofficial cyanogen rom,there is a small amount of lag that remains for me with each GSB update. otherwise,it works well.
ive tried 2 other ports(tastybread,and currently condemned cm7),and one built from AOSP(OMGB) 2.3 roms. all i have felt were a touch smoother than GSB.
as far as sense,ive never really run the stock rom with a different launcher. when i run a sense rom,i usually run the sense launcher
That is probably a fair assessment. I have run Tazz and GSB for GB ROMs. Both are based on CM, and I have my suspicions that CM is the source for a lot of issues. I could be way off base here, but I notice that different issues seem to revolve around different versions of CM. That was the flame war I was trying to avoid though
I know CM does good stuff, and I hate bashing on developers (because I'm a dev in real life and know the pains).And as for GSB being unofficial, according to WS, he was saying it was a certified CM ROM now?
scotty85
Extreme Android User
youre right,it is an officially supported rom,now. i guess i just meant it was a CM rom to start with and not a hero port. and that we still wont see eris on the suported devices page. i love CM,and continue to be a lil disappointed that GSB doesnt run a lil smoother than it does... seeing cm7 in action on different devices is alot different
. the hardware is potentially part of the prollem,i do realize the eris isnt in the same league as the incredible or even the original droid,but as i mentioned other ported cm roms do seem to be to be a lil smoother... to me at least.maybe give one of the other cm ports a try. or try the AOSP omgb
youre only a nand away from where you are if it doesnt work out
Well I hate to be the party pooper but I've had problems with every rom I've flashed. Every one of them has had problems. Now I probably have'nt flashed as may as y'all have but I have flashed a few. For me I wonder if going back to stock and still being rooted would'nt be better. My phone sucks. Everything on it works fine but the dialer. I've meantioned the same problem on more then one occasion and there doesn't seem to be an explanation for it.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
There's one way to find out, BC
do you have any stock nandroid you can restore? If not, I could prolly email you a rooted one, or you could flash the flashback rom. Since you'll still be s-off, restoring amon and superuser would be easy.
There's one way to find out, BC
do you have any stock nandroid you can restore? If not, I could prolly email you a rooted one, or you could flash the flashback rom. Since you'll still be s-off, restoring amon and superuser would be easy.
Could I be stock yet still be rooted to take all the crap off of it?
majorpay
Well-Known Member
OK, so here is the flash to take you back to the unrooted 2.1: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B9...yM+TUtZTYyNDIyMGI4YzVj&hl=en&authkey=CJWE4tMG
Once back to stock, you can run the one click root (follow the directions afterwards and flash rootme.zip):
https://market.android.com/details?id=net.andirc.erisrooter&feature=search_result
Voila - Stock with root.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
yes. once you are rooted,you can use titanium to freeze/delete things. or you can use root explorer to venture into system/app and move things you dont want into a seperate folder(just in case you need to put them back)
titanium is prolly the easiest way.
i ran the stock rom on my TB for a couple days with vzw and htc bloat removed. 
theres other ways you could root the back to stock rom if you wanted,or i could put a rooted stock nandroid in my drop box for ya
My first thought when I read this is that you are on crack.
Completely kidding. I unrooted last month from GSB when the OTA was being delivered, to try to catch the OTA link, and what I found is what I remembered from before, and what I have noticed with xtrSENSE - stock (and xtrSENSE) is fine when you first run it from a factory reset. Give it a few days and it gets Eris sclerosis and is nowhere near as fast as rooted and overclocked.
I just went back to GSB after a few days with Tainted Tenzo, after that started FCing everything yesterday. At least on my phone, I have found nothing that works better than GSB. It's not a perfect build, but it's as good as I have run on the Eris.
As always, you may be using yours differently from me, and stock may surely be better for you. If it is, then run stock. It'd be dumb to do otherwise.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
doogald,you should give condemned cm7 a try for a few days. so far its running well for me.
What's that like?
scotty85
Extreme Android User
i havent played with it a whole lot yet,but initinal impressions are very good... its super smooth in screen transitions,opening apps and opening/closing the app drawer. there is a slightly different procedure for installing it,and its got a font that not all my find appealing,but he does have a .zip to change that if you dont like it.
sounds like hes got plans to keep midding it... xda link in this thread: http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/318705-condemned-cm7.html
ill report back later tonite after i flash the newest version and play with it some more
Saw that screenshot and immediate turnoff for me. I'm fine with GSB.
majorpay
Well-Known Member
My first thought when I read this is that you are on crack.
Completely kidding. I unrooted last month from GSB when the OTA was being delivered, to try to catch the OTA link, and what I found is what I remembered from before, and what I have noticed with xtrSENSE - stock (and xtrSENSE) is fine when you first run it from a factory reset. Give it a few days and it gets Eris sclerosis and is nowhere near as fast as rooted and overclocked.
I just went back to GSB after a few days with Tainted Tenzo, after that started FCing everything yesterday. At least on my phone, I have found nothing that works better than GSB. It's not a perfect build, but it's as good as I have run on the Eris.
As always, you may be using yours differently from me, and stock may surely be better for you. If it is, then run stock. It'd be dumb to do otherwise.
Well, if running stock has caused me to have a crack-high reaction that makes me imagine a smooth-butter interface, then I'm all on it like white on rice.
I'll probably give it a few days, feel it out, and if it's still tickling me in ways my Eris has not in the past 2 years, then I'll stick with it. If not, then it's back to the drawing board.I am curious if there is an app for wired tethering that is actually worth a try? I gave easytether a shot, and it was "ok," but a little glitchy (shut down my entire laptop when I browsed to youtube.com, and failed the first 5 times I tried to install it on my laptop).
Well, if running stock has caused me to have a crack-high reaction that makes me imagine a smooth-butter interface, then I'm all on it like white on rice.
I am curious if there is an app for wired tethering that is actually worth a try? I gave easytether a shot, and it was "ok," but a little glitchy (shut down my entire laptop when I browsed to youtube.com, and failed the first 5 times I tried to install it on my laptop).
If your rooted, I use Wireless Tether and in Settings>Wireless & Networks>Tethering on GSB and Condemned CM7.