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3dEvo: Pre-release miscellany

Thought I'd mention contrast ratio while we're tangentially on the subject of AMOLED, which is known for high contrast ratio.

I'll start by saying that the contrast ratio as it's advertised for OLED-based screens is a big gimmick. The ratio is always expressed as a large number to 1. 1000:1. 10,000:1, etc. They normalize the denominator to 1 so that there is a basis for comparison. Great. no problem.

Now, the ratio is normally determined by the max light output to the min light output (brightness of purest white and purest black that the screen is capable of).

OLEDs have the advantage of very black blacks because it is a light-emitting diode; therefore when it's off, it's not "emitting" any light. So you have a black whose quantified brightness is near zero. And what you you get when you divide any number that is approaching zero? A very very big number. That's why OLED-screens have insane contrast ratios compared to other types of display tech. And it's often thrown around that contrast plays a much bigger role in overall picture quality than other attributes.

Ok, here's where the gimmick is. Contrast affects picture quality positively by how much of the contrast range it produces that falls within the limits of the human eye. And the eye/brain can handle a huge dynamic range of light. The problem with OLED displays is it tends to be weak in brightness, which means there's a large part of human vision it can't accommodate.

Another way to think about this is: it doesn't matter that an OLED can do millions of divisions of medium-to-black colors. We see way more than that range.

Therefore, when you're looking at contrast specs, don't just look at contrast ratio. You need to know the absolutes on both ends to know the contrast range. It's the contrast range that will affect the picture quality, not the bright:dark ratio.

To be fair to Samsung's S-AMOLED technology, the "super" part basically focuses on minimizing the brightness problem of AMOLED. The capacitive touchscreen is part of the display rather than being a separate layer of glass, removing an extra layer that would be responsible for absorbing some of the light before it makes it to your eyes.
 
In viewer parlance, I've found S/AMOLED guilty of black crushing - viewing deep, deep greens, maroons and blues are barely colored.

Again - what would level the playing field would be contrast and gamma adjustments on these beasts. (Maybe if I post it enough, it'll change or get an app. Some Sammies have an app to at least adjust some of the color (almost nobody knows about it).)
 
All this techie discussion is way too detailed for my creative right side leaning brain to fully comprehend right now. But, I'm liking the sound of it :D
 
In viewer parlance, I've found S/AMOLED guilty of black crushing - viewing deep, deep greens, maroons and blues are barely colored.

Again - what would level the playing field would be contrast and gamma adjustments on these beasts. (Maybe if I post it enough, it'll change or get an app. Some Sammies have an app to at least adjust some of the color (almost nobody knows about it).)


contrast and gamma is definitely a start. however I've used some shitty monitors where I couldn't even calibrate the monitor with those controls. something was just so off. hues actually were shifting when either was adjusted. so... what do you care for most... color reproduction? or brightness/contrast? can't we have both? :)

didn't know about the black crushing. means that even the range is not a good indication of contrast quality. can't they just make something that works? :) Just like my S-PVA monitor... I'll pay the 2x price over the shitty-ass TN monitors.

here's to hoping that Evo 3D gets a "real" qHD screen. No PenTile or other gimmicky substitutes.
 
I think I once counted the number of picture-quality adjustments available on my TV - I think it's like 28 without going into the service menu.

I'll happily draw the line anywhere below that you'd like for a phone - just give us something!
 
Ok, then here's a good marker - the more buzzwords used to describe something tech, the less likely it is to be any good.

Evo 3D: a really darn good smart phone. comes with a screen, buttons, speakers, and ports and cameras. runs a lot of programs. does a lot of stuff.

Best device ever :)
 
hey, I'm a lefty too. don't make excuses :)

Oh, it's all excellent to follow and I'm looking forward to this beast. And I'm learning some new info because up until now I haven't spent any time reading up on the fine details of its true capabilities, heck I'm not even rooted on my Evo 4G:D I obtained it on launch day for 4G and well it was just plain awesome screen and function wise. So now 3D is calling my name. Maybe I will be more tempted to root it and I'll take a practice run on my current Evo in case I brick the dang thing. I'll wait to do it right before I get my hands on the 3D device:cool:
 
There's zero annoying about the Evo Shift we have, so to my surprise, I've not bothered rooting it.

I'd like to avoid it on 3dEvo, but - yeah, it's me...
 
There's zero annoying about the Evo Shift we have, so to my surprise, I've not bothered rooting it.

I'd like to avoid it on 3dEvo, but - yeah, it's me...

really? no crapware on the shift? or no negative impact from crapware? battery life excellent without the need for HAVS or SetCPU?
 
The appealing thing about this phone is the lovely UI. Sense still bores me, I don't care for 4g but the fact that the UI incorporates the 3D animations it does make me interested in the phone...just a tad

I was under the impression there aren't any 3D aspects to sense....
 
yeah, this is the problem when we call everything 3D when it really isn't. Sense has 3D effects the same way that Doom, Quake, and all the other FPS games were "3D." objects are rendered three-dimensionally, but they are still displayed as regular 2D. It's like drawing something with perspective. The drawing is on a flat piece of paper, but we can imagine the depth.

That's what Sense will have in select parts of the UI, like the spinning carousel homescreens, the weather widget/app, etc.
 
Battery life on the Shift is insane.

WifelyMon (her phone) put in a 9 hour day, almost constantly on the phone, texting, talking, emailing, visiting only a few web sites - 3G, wifi, GPS constantly on. Overall: medium-heavy use - came home with 39% battery.

Straight freaking stock.

Went back and did it the next day and the next. Same results.

Don't even bother with control widgets at all. Sense-heavy big widget playground on 5 screens (calendar, music/fm, photo gallery, basic calculator, that big people widget), basic phone/text/gesture search/big-clock-weather/camera stuff on main, and one screen for all the internet apps (Twitter, wiki, bookmarks smart folder, maps, sky, earth, translate, mail etc - easier for her to remember that page is internet.)

Used like the Sense/Android appliance for the masses just like you'd expect. Nothing fancy. Rock solid. Everything just works.
 
Battery life on the Shift is insane.

WifelyMon (her phone) put in a 9 hour day, almost constantly on the phone, texting, talking, emailing, visiting only a few web sites - 3G, wifi, GPS constantly on. Overall: medium-heavy use - came home with 39% battery.

Straight freaking stock.
Eat that everyone that says the EVO 4G is just "set up wrong" if experiencing poor battery life. Or, better yet, the bad reception excuse.
 
Eat that everyone that says the EVO 4G is just "set up wrong" if experiencing poor battery life. Or, better yet, the bad reception excuse.

I don't get this post. Doesn't the fact that Evo gets poor battery life out of the box mean that it's "set up wrong?" And setting it up right eliminates the battery problems, proving there's nothing wrong with the Evo. It just needs too much love.

For sure, it's not always poor reception causing problems.

That's pretty awesome that the Shift does so well even with lots of use. Let's hope some of that carried over to the Evo 3D. Would be great if Evo name developed the reputation of being the Android that just works, especially with all the battery woes of the OG.
 
I don't get this post. Doesn't the fact that Evo gets poor battery life out of the box mean that it's "set up wrong?" And setting it up right eliminates the battery problems, proving there's nothing wrong with the Evo. It just needs too much love.

For sure, it's not always poor reception causing problems.

That's pretty awesome that the Shift does so well even with lots of use. Let's hope some of that carried over to the Evo 3D. Would be great if Evo name developed the reputation of being the Android that just works, especially with all the battery woes of the OG.

Most people say root it and set it up properly to those that complain about bad battery. I argue that it should be set up right out of the box, because not everyone knows how to set it up right. In fact, MOST people do not end up tweaking a whole lot at all. (I think we have had this discussion before).
 
I'm not disagreeing with you for sure. Shift is a good example. But you know, I think in this case, it could be the processor making the difference. It may just be more efficient. I'm not convinced (yet) that it's the software that's responsible. After all, Sense is supposedly a big drag over AOSP and yet it runs fine on Shift. It's also on Froyo, same as Evo. So what's the difference? I think it's hardware. Also smaller screen.
 
Shift SoC is 45 nm vs. 65 on the Evo, 800 MHz vs. 1 GHz, screen is smaller but same resolution as Evo, battery is same size - in fact same one - as in Evo.

So - the 3dEvo holds great promise - 45 nm process SoC, bigger battery - and more-pixeled screen. The screen and battery might even themselves out - leaving it up to the 8660 itself to save power or waste it. Will it run both cores at lower speed for most things we do today, leading to less power consumption?

Can't wait to find out!
 
I'm not disagreeing with you for sure. Shift is a good example. But you know, I think in this case, it could be the processor making the difference. It may just be more efficient.

So which is it? ;)
If it's the software, then I just think people who are better versed in the tech can take for granted what they know (myself included) to help themselves.

If it's the hardware, well, it STILL has bad battery life, which I think is a valid complaint. It's nice to have the world in your pocket, but not if the world runs out of juice halfway through the day.

FWIW, I don't even consider the complaints those who use their phones heavily during the day as valid. Certainly Early's wifes use would be considered as heavy use (at least by me), yet she STILL had a ton of life left on her phone. It's those who leave the phone idle for most of the day an experience massive battery drain that I am considering here.
 
Interesting, but if we're going to argue about the Evo power issues, maybe best take that to the Evo forum, yes?

Comparing the speculations of the Evo 3D to past performers, that's ok, but just discussing the previous phone is kinda rude to our non-Evo brethen, at least, that's my opinion.
 
If Wimax2 has better building penetration then yeah I'm all for it, otherwise I'd be happy with Wimax and LTE built in for future proofing. :)

Also hoping the camera sensor is better.


Wimax2 ???? I dont even think the FCC have approved that yet (they have only just gotten around to approving LTE!):D
 
Interesting, but if we're going to argue about the Evo power issues, maybe best take that to the Evo forum, yes?

Comparing the speculations of the Evo 3D to past performers, that's ok, but just discussing the previous phone is kinda rude to our non-Evo brethen, at least, that's my opinion.

On the flipside, it lets people know of possible things to look out for in the EVO lineage, no? :)

For those fresh to the EVO name, it might be nice to look up the pedigree. ;)

Kind of like I see people (validly IMO) bring up lack of updates in many upcoming Samsung phone models.
 
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