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Would you buy the Evo 3D or HTC Kingdom?

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I know the HTC Kingdom is far from official, but let's just say our current assumptions about it prove correct. Is anyone else having second thoughts about buying the Evo 3D?

To me, a four inch screen is good enough, and would probably fit in my pocket better than a 4.3 inch screen. I'd almost prefer a slightly smaller (but same resolution) screen.

The difference in processors is probably the 3D's biggest advantage. If the Kingdom only has a single core processor I'd assume we could expect it to perform worse than the 3D, possibly significantly worse. Plus, as 2011 looks to be the year of the dual core phone, buying a single core phone might cause me to look back with regret in 6-12 months. That being said, the Evo Shift is pretty dang fast, and this would be faster than that, so we're still talking about a high-performance phone.

I'd assume that the Kingdom would have greater battery life (no 3D, smaller screen, single core processor), but I guess that depends upon whether HTC ships it with the same size battery as the 3D.

The lack of a 3D screen and the dual cameras doesn't bother me too much. 3D would be cool for a while, but I don't anticipate that much use of it (for me, at least - YMMV).

Lastly, but possibly most importantly, release dates. The 3D is scheduled to be released "this summer", which I've been assuming to mean the first week in June (due to the examples Sprint has set the last few years). The HTC Kingdom is a very unofficial phone at this point, maybe it's set for a December/January release (similar to the Evo Shift)? I just can't see HTC releasing two phones at the same time on the same network - does anyone have any evidence of this happening in the past?

Anyways, it's fun to speculate about, but unless the Kingdom is released before or within a month of the 3D I'll probably stick with the 3D for the reason of impatience alone. If it is released close to the 3D, then I guess I'll have to think about it more.

I know I'm posting this in an Evo 3D forum so I'm guessing I know what most responses will be, but I'd like to hear what other people think. Would anyone else chose to buy the Kingdom over the 3D if they were released (near) simultaneously?
 
No definitely not! If the Kingdom came out 3 months before the 3D (Sprint would do that to get sales fo KD) I would wait for the 3D, not because of that 3D feature, it's what under the hood! The 3D engine is a beast compared to the kingdom! Why back track!? I have a single core now Evo 4G! I'm a tech person and I like to upgrade and getting the kingdom I would downgrade in reference to the 3D and stay stagnate with the 4G! I joined the Dark side for reason:D and to become the greatest sith lord, I too, have to upgrade and so those my weapon! lol!
 
Sauske said:
No definitely not! If the Kingdom came out 3 months before the 3D (Sprint would do that to get sales fo KD) I would wait for the 3D
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Sprint is releasing the Nexus S 4G in the beginning of May, so let's say the Kingdom is released in the beginning of June. And now if I had to wait all the way until September to buy the 3D, I'm not sure if I could make myself do it! It helps that you have a good phone already - my Palm Pre is literally falling apart and might not make it to late summer/early fall. I'd probably just buy the Kingdom.

It's true that the 3D has better components under the hood, but for 99% of what I use phones for (calling people, texting, email, web browsing, maps, and time-wasting games) the Kingdom would work fine - I'm guessing I wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

If I had the choice to buy either, I'd probably go with the 3D though - so hopefully it's released in June so my patience doesn't need to be tested any more than it already is!
 
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Sprint is releasing the Nexus S 4G in the beginning of May, so let's say the Kingdom is released in the beginning of June. And now if I had to wait all the way until September to buy the 3D, I'm not sure if I could make myself do it! It helps that you have a good phone already - my Palm Pre is literally falling apart and might not make it to late summer/early fall. I'd probably just buy the Kingdom.

It's true that the 3D has better components under the hood, but for 99% of what I use phones for (calling people, texting, email, web browsing, maps, and time-wasting games) the Kingdom would work fine - I'm guessing I wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

If I had the choice to buy either, I'd probably go with the 3D though - so hopefully it's released in June so my patience doesn't need to be tested any more than it already is!
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Lol...well in your case it's understandable! I wanted the Palm Pre but I declined it, on the fact that the screen was small! And like you said if your a causal phone person who wants a phones that does everyday things that has descent specs that cool! and your upgrading no matter what!
 
Im more curious to see the pricing on both. I would think this would be priced like the Shift. Especially seeing how it has no keyboard and has less power and RAM than the 3D.
 
mkokotovich said:
Maybe you can inform me - what are some of the things you anticipate a dual-core phone being able to do better than a single core phone? I understand how dual-core processors help with parallelization, but what sort of apps would actually benefit from this? I suppose if you have widgets/apps running in the background it would allow them to work and your foreground app to still process data, possibly leading to a "snappier" feeling phone.

I've also heard that Android doesn't currently have very good support for parallelization - is this true? To what extent?
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At first they didn't, but Google has released 2.4 (Still Gingerbread) that trully support Dual core!
 
I'd definitely go with the 3D, for the beefed up specs and, if you look at the side by side picture above, it's much sleeker, and a smaller device to boot (while having a larger screen). I was surprised at how much larger the Kingdom looked side by side.
 
Jackieteehorn said:
I'd definitely go with the 3D, for the beefed up specs and, if you look at the side by side picture above, it's much sleeker, and a smaller device to boot (while having a larger screen). I was surprised at how much larger the Kingdom looked side by side.
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I don't think those pictures were to scale. It would be quite an engineering feat to make a 4.3 inch screen physically smaller than a 4 inch screen :-P
 
mkokotovich said:
I don't think those pictures were to scale. It would be quite an engineering feat to make a 4.3 inch screen physically smaller than a 4 inch screen :-P
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Ha, entirely possible. I was just thinking (read: hoping) that they were, and couldn't entirely tell since the screens aren't in the same place on each device.
 
Jackieteehorn said:
Ha, entirely possible. I was just thinking (read: hoping) that they were, and couldn't entirely tell since the screens aren't in the same place on each device.
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Huh, at first I thought the picture of the 3D had a smaller screen than the picture of the Kingdom, but after a very scientific comparison (in MS Paint :-P) I see that the 3D does, in fact, have a larger screen in the picture.

So yes, you are right, it is possible the 3D could actually be smaller than the Kingdom.

If my high school geometry holds up, an increase of 0.3 inches of diagonal screen space on a qHD screen translates to 0.15 inches of additional horizontal screen size and 0.26 inches of additional veritical screen size.

There could easily be more than a quarter inch of additional bezel/wasted space on the Kingdom to make it physically taller than the 3D.
 
mkokotovich said:
I don't think those pictures were to scale. It would be quite an engineering feat to make a 4.3 inch screen physically smaller than a 4 inch screen :-P
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If you notice the Kingdom was thinner and longer with significantly bigger bezel on the bottom and a hair bigger up top where as the Evo 3d has less Bezel (more screen) and is wider. Just like the 3d is slightly longer and thinner than the original. So it is entirely possible engineering wise. Having Said all that it it is highly probable that they are not to scale
 
With a big tip of the topper to mkokotovich -

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Using geometry, we can also arrive at the final dimension - or you can just use this handy calculator, like I did - Screen Aspect Ratio & Dimension Calculator

Evo @ 15:9 w/ 4.3" -> 2.21" x 3.69" -> Area = 8.16 sq. in.
E3D @ 16:9 w/ 4.3" -> 2.11" x 3.75" -> Area = 7.90 sq. in.
Evo dimensions verified by my 10ths ruler - hehehe. ;)

Total area difference - probably about two of these: ;) on most screens viewing this post.
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Kingdom @ 16:9 w/ 4" -> 1.96" x 3.49" -> Area = 6.83 sq. in.
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I think if they overprice the 3D, the Kingdom will sell very well - in fact, I'd predict both to sell very well.

At a 50% speed increase over the Shift, the Kingdom is likely to be a screaming little beast. However, with the increase in pixel density some of that is bound to get lost in the noise where GPU benchmarks are concerned. Also, the higher speed and larger qHD screen is very likely going to dig into the battery life (most excellent on the Shift).

We here on the forums may expect multi-cores to dominate, but Google's reportedly stated the dual-core support in Ice Cream is to allow single-core phones to run dual-core apps. I don't think Google will do that to support legacy devices.

I think HTC was _very_ smart here - rather than put an 8655 in it, they're using a faster 7630 - lowering costs while maintaining performance. I can't imagine consumers not responding to lower cost and high performance - so I'm doubtful that the multi-core takeover is imminent. Inevitable, but maybe not imminent, except for flagship models.

In my opinion.
 
EarlyMon said:
With a big tip of the topper to mkokotovich -



Kingdom @ 16:9 w/ 4" -> 1.96" x 3.49" -> Area = 6.83 sq. in.

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I think if they overprice the 3D, the Kingdom will sell very well - in fact, I'd predict both to sell very well.

At a 50% speed increase over the Shift, the Kingdom is likely to be a screaming little beast. However, with the increase in pixel density some of that is bound to get lost in the noise where GPU benchmarks are concerned. Also, the higher speed and larger qHD screen is very likely going to dig into the battery life (most excellent on the Shift).

We here on the forums may expect multi-cores to dominate, but Google's reportedly stated the dual-core support in Ice Cream is to allow single-core phones to run dual-core apps. I don't think Google will do that to support legacy devices.

I think HTC was _very_ smart here - rather than put an 8655 in it, they're using a faster 7630 - lowering costs while maintaining performance. I can't imagine consumers not responding to lower cost and high performance - so I'm doubtful that the multi-core takeover is imminent. Inevitable, but maybe not imminent, except for flagship models.

In my opinion.
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I think you hit it on the head, only the hardcore people are going to care about the dual cores at this point, but this time next year, when there will most likely be quad cores in the flagship phones, if you aren't dual core, you aren't going to sell.
 
My big Kingdom question - what do they plan on calling it?

With a nod to a Phandroid comment - will this be an Evo-something or the Hero 2??
 
EarlyMon said:
My big Kingdom question - what do they plan on calling it?

With a nod to a Phandroid comment - will this be an Evo-something or the Hero 2??
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I would think they would keep all of the HTC things on the EVO branding now that they have started to make it a family. I don't expect to see any low end/mid range HTC phones on Sprint again and keep those to the Samsung sliders, the LG's and the crap Iden Moto phones
 
I can definitely see the Kingdom appealing to more casual users looking for an entry-level Android phone, as it will be cheaper but still decently specced.

But I personally think it would be crazy for any technically-minded person to upgrade to this from the original EVO, it really doesn't represent enough of a leap in performance, whereas the 3D certainly does imo.
 
Aside from the smaller screen, the Kingdom will likely out-perform the Evo 4G - making it a decent replacement for many.

Not everyone wants to upgrade.
 
Not everyone wants to upgrade? Wouldn't people be choosing to upgrade to the Kingdom instead of the 3D then?
 
Sorry, I was unclear. I simply meant that many might perceive this as a lateral choice from what they have now, based solely on things like screen size, single core, that sort of thing, implying that for some group of consumers, maybe that's as far as they'd go into the specs.

Usually, every purchase is some kind of upgrade, so I can see how I sounded dumb there.
 
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Not everyone wants to upgrade.
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I agree with this. Most people go buy a new phone when their two-year subscription is up just because their phone is "old", probably scratched up, and all their friends have shiny new phones. I bet most of the public doesn't know or care what cores are, and if the new phone looks nice and works as well as their last one they'll be happy with the purchase.

Also, needless to say, most people don't spend months anticipating and talking about their next phone on a forum :)
 
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