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Root Temporary Root
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scotty85
Extreme Android User
the rom basically,is the operating system. the kernel is the core part of the rom,that controls everything else. the part of the rom that controls the display,the part that controls the buttons,all parts of the rom that "do things" coordinate their efforts with the kernel. the radio is basically what makes the phone a phone-it controls the reciever/transmitter that send and recieve the cell phone signal. changing the kernel can get you faster processor speeds(overclocking),better battery life,and increase performance. changing the radio can get you strogner signal,or more reliable signal. but i agree with BC... take one step at a time.
yes,doing a data wipe will erase your phone when you install a custom rom. but fear not,you can use an app called titanium backup to back up your apps and their data prior to flashing. this will make it significantly easier to re-setup your phone,but you will not be able to safely be able to get away without some re-setup time,its part of changing your rom.
again,why do you want to root? if you simply want to be able to make backups,and delete some bloatware,you can root and do that without ever changing the rom. flashing new and exciting new roms is a benefit of being rooted,not a requirement
yes,doing a data wipe will erase your phone when you install a custom rom. but fear not,you can use an app called titanium backup to back up your apps and their data prior to flashing. this will make it significantly easier to re-setup your phone,but you will not be able to safely be able to get away without some re-setup time,its part of changing your rom.
again,why do you want to root? if you simply want to be able to make backups,and delete some bloatware,you can root and do that without ever changing the rom. flashing new and exciting new roms is a benefit of being rooted,not a requirement
I really want to do some backups, and get some root only apps, but I think that, after I root, I am eventually going to end up flashing a ROM, whether I like it or not ;P So do I need to change the kernel or radio when I flash a ROM? Or can I just download and wipe my phone and flash any ROM on the page of ROMs that "the plumber" linked to without any worry? I'm just confused if I can just "flash and go" or if there are any changes or other things I need to do before flashing to make sure I don't brick it.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
no. the radio is at a level of programming that is not touched by roms flashed in clockwork recovery,so it will always be there,and be the same. the rom you chose will allready have a kernel included that is pretty optimized for the rom. actually, i personally dont usually change it,except on rare occasions.
changing the kernel and radio are more for the tweekers to get every last ounce of performance. it can be very much likened to changing small parts on the engine of a drag race only car in order to get a couple more horsepower,and a couple tenths of a second quicker 1/4 mile time
nothing wrong at all with simply picking a rom,flashing it,and enjoying it as-is
youll see a lot of comments like "im running xyz rom with sosandsos's kernel and my phone is fast!". just be patient,after youve flashed a few roms,made and restored some backups,and gotten the hang of things,if you want to start trying peoples reccomended combos you can. but for now,just flash the rom and enjoy 
no. the radio is at a level of programming that is not touched by roms flashed in clockwork recovery,so it will always be there,and be the same. the rom you chose will allready have a kernel included that is pretty optimized for the rom. actually, i personally dont usually change it,except on rare occasions.
changing the kernel and radio are more for the tweekers to get every last ounce of performance. it can be very much likened to changing small parts on the engine of a drag race only car in order to get a couple more horsepower,and a couple tenths of a second quicker 1/4 mile time
nothing wrong at all with simply picking a rom,flashing it,and enjoying it as-is
Well said.
Ok, so I know I'm probably running circles, but I want to be 100% sure of what I'm doing. What do those titles on that list of ROMs mean? The ones that say "Sense(less)" or "AOSP"? Does this mean that I have to do something different before downloading it? Or is this related to the kernel? Or is this just a different type of layout and look compared to the stock incredible? Is it something I really need to worry about, or should I just flash and try, and see the type I like? Thanks for dealing with a noob!
sdrawkcab25
Extreme Android User
AOSP are open source and built from the ground up by a developer and are pure vanilla.
Sense roms are roms based off of HTC's code and will look very similar the interface you are used too.
Senseless are similar(built from htc's code) but have all of the "sense" features removed, ie, the launcher/widgets, and look like pure vanilla roms.
Sense roms are roms based off of HTC's code and will look very similar the interface you are used too.
Senseless are similar(built from htc's code) but have all of the "sense" features removed, ie, the launcher/widgets, and look like pure vanilla roms.
Ok, so I posted another thread, but I'll put it here too. I did everything word for word by this article: http://androidforums.com/incredible...ked-3-rooting-stock-incredible-evo-2-2-a.html
It just sits at the "waiting for device" screen. What should I do? I tried twice on two computers, and it's done nothing, and I did everything it said.
It just sits at the "waiting for device" screen. What should I do? I tried twice on two computers, and it's done nothing, and I did everything it said.
sdrawkcab25
Extreme Android User
That means you don't have you usb debugging enabled or installed the drivers wrong. They have to be installed twice, once while in hboot and once while the phone is booted. Also make sure no conflicting drivers are installed (htc sync, pda net).
If you are absolutely positive the drivers are correct, try a different computer or different usb cable, or different sd card.
Easiest method is to use a mac, no drivers required.
Also have to run the package as an administrator.
In device manager you should see the exact images you see here:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ivers-adb-bootloader-disk-drive-htc-sync.html
scotty85
Extreme Android User
since it looks like youve got your driver prollem figured out,i wont address that.
one thing to add to what sdraw said:AOSP roms are pure vanilla. "pure vanilla" is android,as google intended it. no aditional skins or modifications. the nexus one,nexus s,original droid,and a small handful of others run pure,unmolested vanilla android.
one last thing with titanium,get the paid version(if we havent mentioned this allready) its well worth the $$,as it will automagically do batch backups for you. with the free version you will have to manually back up and restore all your apps one at a time
if you only have 1 or 2,maybe its no biggie,but any more than that you want the paid version 
the entire sd card? oh gosh,no... you dont need to touch anything on the sd card. if your card is small,you will find that you cant fit very many backups and roms on it,so every time you want to flash a rom,yoll prolly want to delete your previous rom file,and youll want to routinely transfer backups to your PC so youve only got 3 or so on your sd card at any given time.
alternately,get a bigger card... the bigger the better. at least 8gb,IMO. ive personall got 32
one thing to add to what sdraw said:AOSP roms are pure vanilla. "pure vanilla" is android,as google intended it. no aditional skins or modifications. the nexus one,nexus s,original droid,and a small handful of others run pure,unmolested vanilla android.
you will need it in order for titanium backup to work correctly. when you first run titanium backup,touch the prollems box in the corner,and it will install busy box,if its not allready.
one last thing with titanium,get the paid version(if we havent mentioned this allready) its well worth the $$,as it will automagically do batch backups for you. with the free version you will have to manually back up and restore all your apps one at a time
if you only have 1 or 2,maybe its no biggie,but any more than that you want the paid version the entire sd card? oh gosh,no... you dont need to touch anything on the sd card. if your card is small,you will find that you cant fit very many backups and roms on it,so every time you want to flash a rom,yoll prolly want to delete your previous rom file,and youll want to routinely transfer backups to your PC so youve only got 3 or so on your sd card at any given time.
alternately,get a bigger card... the bigger the better. at least 8gb,IMO. ive personall got 32
alternately,get a bigger card... the bigger the better. at least 8gb,IMO. ive personall got 32
That's cause you got a bolt.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
That's cause you got a bolt.
i got a 32gb in my inc,too. got it a newegg.com
it had a 2gb in it when i first got it not near enuff for a flashoholic
i got a 32gb in my inc,too. got it a newegg.com
Cool good to know cause I was wanting to get a 32.:ad
I got a 16 gb just the other day. Finally convinced me to root
If your restoreing a different rom then yes you need to do a full wipe before restoring.
scotty85
Extreme Android User
psst! i answered this above when i said this:
you do not need to wipe battery stats,rotate settings,or anything else.
unfortunately,you wont know that it worked untill you restore it. if it comes up and looks exactly like it did when you made the backup,then it worked
if it comes up "touch the android to begin" then it didnt work. but it will work. i promise.
yes. everything. 100% as it was when you made it.
And another question. Sorry to ask so many questions. I think I'm actually getting the hang of this. This is added on to my previous question. I have rooted my phone using unrevoked. I have done four nandroid backups so far. I downloaded titanium backup and have been doing backups every day, if not more often. (btw, all of this is over the last week or so). I just finished downloading the cyanogenmod newest "stable" ROM for the incredible off of their website. I triple-checked the md5 sum. I put the zip file on my sd card (in no particular place. Idk if that matters at all) and triple-checked the md5 sum again. I'm ready to try my first ROM. I know I need to do a nandroid, and a titanium backup, and wipe the phone in clockwork recovery. Then I need to go to "update" and select the zip file. Is there anything else that I am forgetting? Can I leave it as a .zip file? Do I need to rename it, or put it in a certain folder?
Then, after flashing the ROM, I now I need to download titanium backup again and then run restore to bring back all of my apps. Does any of this affect my sd card, or shouldn't I worry about that? And can I restore EVERYTHING from titanium backup, or will the system settings or other backups cause issues? I'm I missing anything????? Thanks for all of your help!!!
Then, after flashing the ROM, I now I need to download titanium backup again and then run restore to bring back all of my apps. Does any of this affect my sd card, or shouldn't I worry about that? And can I restore EVERYTHING from titanium backup, or will the system settings or other backups cause issues? I'm I missing anything????? Thanks for all of your help!!!
scotty85
Extreme Android User
first i feel i should warn you... cm7 is pure vanilla AOSP android and will be nothing like what youre used to with htc sense.
if your ready for a change,then...
the biggest thing you are forgetting is that with cm7 youll need to flash the google apps addon or,"gapps" you can find it in the first post of the nightlys discussion thread on cyangens page here: [NIGHTLY] [CM7] Discussion of Nightlies - CyanogenMod Forum
you might also refer to this thread for more info: http://androidforums.com/incredible-all-things-root/336866-rooted-now-what.html
in a nutshell:
1)backup user apps+ data with titanium backup
1a)force a google sync of your contacts,calander,etc. in case youve added any
2)trnasfer cm7 rom and gapps to sd card via usb(do not rename or unzip)
3)boot to recovery
4)nandroid backup
5) wipe data/cache/dalvik
6)install rom from zipcard
6a)choose cm7 rom
6b)choose gapps
7) reboot
dont freak out,first boot always takes awhile
when its up:
1)sign in to google account and wait for sync to finish
2) market may be restoring some apps. if it is,wait for it to finish. now download titanium free and pro key
3) run batch to "restore missing apps+data"
4)when its finished with that batch,re-setup your home screens. place apps where you want them,tweek settings such as alerts,ringtones, etc.
5)youll have to sign into apps like facebook and twitter,and other email accounts.
DO NOT BY ANY MEANS RESTORE ANY SYSTEM DATA roms wont get much different than cm7 and stock sense. they are at extreme ends of the spectrum,and restoring anything other than user apps+data will cause force closes and all sorts of issues.
hope that helps
if your ready for a change,then...
the biggest thing you are forgetting is that with cm7 youll need to flash the google apps addon or,"gapps" you can find it in the first post of the nightlys discussion thread on cyangens page here: [NIGHTLY] [CM7] Discussion of Nightlies - CyanogenMod Forum
you might also refer to this thread for more info: http://androidforums.com/incredible-all-things-root/336866-rooted-now-what.html
in a nutshell:
1)backup user apps+ data with titanium backup
1a)force a google sync of your contacts,calander,etc. in case youve added any
2)trnasfer cm7 rom and gapps to sd card via usb(do not rename or unzip)
3)boot to recovery
4)nandroid backup
5) wipe data/cache/dalvik
6)install rom from zipcard
6a)choose cm7 rom
6b)choose gapps
7) reboot
dont freak out,first boot always takes awhile
when its up:
1)sign in to google account and wait for sync to finish
2) market may be restoring some apps. if it is,wait for it to finish. now download titanium free and pro key
3) run batch to "restore missing apps+data"
4)when its finished with that batch,re-setup your home screens. place apps where you want them,tweek settings such as alerts,ringtones, etc.
5)youll have to sign into apps like facebook and twitter,and other email accounts.
DO NOT BY ANY MEANS RESTORE ANY SYSTEM DATA roms wont get much different than cm7 and stock sense. they are at extreme ends of the spectrum,and restoring anything other than user apps+data will cause force closes and all sorts of issues.
hope that helps