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nexus prime v htc vigor for dummies?

shawn218

shawn218

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can someone do a tale of the tape for these two phones? ie, compare processor by processor, screen type v screen type, gpu v gpu, etc

im not tech smart at all when it comes down to these things at all. im having a hard time choosing because of no sd card/removable battery. what happens when your phone freezes and you cant remove the battery btw?

thanks in advance
 
If you'll just give us until Tuesday after 10PM eastern, we can do a comparison. We hope! Right now, all that is out are rumored specs and rumors of rumors. Seriously. Not trying to be a smart a**.
 
Ice Cream Sandwich Stock vs Gingerbread + Sense lol

But seriously that's enough for me. And I personally like sense. Vigor sound like a big incredible with an HD screen (?) Haven't researched it much. While the first incredible was a great phone, the Incredible 2 is just straight garbage (possibly the reason behind not calling it (vigor) the incredible hd?). But i'm cautious of that line now.
 
Well, neither device has had its specs completely confirmed, so this is based entirely on speculation, though it should be fairly accurate.

First and foremost is the version of Android. The Vigor will have some variant of 2.3 while the Prime will have 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. ICS should be bringing a lot of big changes (and hopefully improvements) to the Android platform.

Both are expected to have a 720p (1280x720) display, the Vigor at 4.3 inches, and the Prime at 4.65 inches. This may suggest that the Prime is bigger overall, but because ICS will do away with the capacitive buttons, the two phones will be very close to the same size. I imagine the Prime will actually be thinner.

The Vigor will probably have a Super LCD screen, which gives immaculate viewing angles and excellent color accuracy. The Prime will be Super AMOLED Plus, which gives very vivid color and is generally easier on the battery.

As far as processor is concerned, it's a bit of a toss up because no one really knows which processors either phone will be getting.

Odds are that the Vigor will have the Snapdragon MSM8660, a dual-core CPU clocked at 1.5GHz paired with the Adreno 220. However, it's possible that it will have the Snapdragon MSM8960 which is also a dual-core 1.5GHz processor but is better optimized for battery life and has the Adreno 225.

The Prime will probably be getting the OMAP 4460 which is a 1.5GHz dual-core processor with an SGX540 GPU. The SGX540 is a bit concerning since it is showing some age, but in the 4460, it will be clocked at 384Mhz instead of the usual ~300MHz.

The MSM8660 (with Adreno 220) and OMAP 4460 (with 384MHz SGX540) should perform fairly similarly in games and other graphically intensive tasks. The MSM8960 (with Adreno 225) would easily trounce the SGX540, though.

There is also rumor that the Prime will have the a 1.5GHz dual-core Exynos processor. This would have the Mali-400 GPU. On paper, the Mali-400 bests both the Adreno 220 and 225; however, graphics drivers appear to be a bit immature right now, so real world performance is a little sub par (though still very good).

What I would love to see is the OMAP 4470 in the Prime. It, too, is a 1.5GHz dual-core processor but it has the SGX544 GPU. This would beat out the Mali-400 in the Exynos by a fair margin. But this is by far the least likely processor we'll see in the Prime.

Those are the major points. Hope it helps.
 
Just a bit more info on the GPUs:

Adreno 220 claims 80M triangles/s
Adreno 225 claims 125M triangles/s
Mali-400MP (in the Exynos 4210) claims over 120M triangles/s
SGX540 @384Mhz should get about 70M triangles/s

Keep in mind that this is entirely raw performance. There are a lot more factors involved in real world performance, but this should give you a good idea on how the different chips compare to each other.

In general, the SGX chips are the most optimized on the Android platform, so it might actually achieve close to its 70M triangle/s claim. The Mali-400 on the other hand is very new to Android, and the drivers are young. It sometimes struggles to beat current SGX540 chips, though in overall performance, it's currently the leader. Adreno chips are also optimized well, but the 220 and 225 have seen significant changes over the 200 and 205, so there might be some growing pains involved that will stunt performance for a while.

I'm not bothering to compare the CPUs because one dual-core 1.5GHz Cortex-A9 CPU is going to perform almost the same as any other dual-core 1.5GHz Cortex-A9 CPU.
 
quantumrand said:
Just a bit more info on the GPUs:

Adreno 220 claims 80M triangles/s
Adreno 225 claims 125M triangles/s
Mali-400MP (in the Exynos 4210) claims over 120M triangles/s
SGX540 @384Mhz should get about 70M triangles/s

Keep in mind that this is entirely raw performance. There are a lot more factors involved in real world performance, but this should give you a good idea on how the different chips compare to each other.

In general, the SGX chips are the most optimized on the Android platform, so it might actually achieve close to its 70M triangle/s claim. The Mali-400 on the other hand is very new to Android, and the drivers are young. It sometimes struggles to beat current SGX540 chips, though in overall performance, it's currently the leader. Adreno chips are also optimized well, but the 220 and 225 have seen significant changes over the 200 and 205, so there might be some growing pains involved that will stunt performance for a while.

I'm not bothering to compare the CPUs because one dual-core 1.5GHz Cortex-A9 CPU is going to perform almost the same as any other dual-core 1.5GHz Cortex-A9 CPU.
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Good info on GPUs. But I would point out snapdragons are still on A8 architecture.
 
Sandroidfan said:
Good info on GPUs. But I would point out snapdragons are still on A8 architecture.
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True, but they're all still ARMv7, so they all share a common architecture. You might be able to measure the performance differences between the chips, but you wouldn't ever be able to notice it.
 
Which one will have an extended battery? Hopefully 3000 plus to use the phones as intended without worrying about charging.
 
quantumrand said:
Well, neither device has had its specs completely confirmed, so this is based entirely on speculation, though it should be fairly accurate.

First and foremost is the version of Android. The Vigor will have some variant of 2.3 while the Prime will have 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. ICS should be bringing a lot of big changes (and hopefully improvements) to the Android platform.

Both are expected to have a 720p (1280x720) display, the Vigor at 4.3 inches, and the Prime at 4.65 inches. This may suggest that the Prime is bigger overall, but because ICS will do away with the capacitive buttons, the two phones will be very close to the same size. I imagine the Prime will actually be thinner.

The Vigor will probably have a Super LCD screen, which gives immaculate viewing angles and excellent color accuracy. The Prime will be Super AMOLED Plus, which gives very vivid color and is generally easier on the battery.

As far as processor is concerned, it's a bit of a toss up because no one really knows which processors either phone will be getting.

Odds are that the Vigor will have the Snapdragon MSM8660, a dual-core CPU clocked at 1.5GHz paired with the Adreno 220. However, it's possible that it will have the Snapdragon MSM8960 which is also a dual-core 1.5GHz processor but is better optimized for battery life and has the Adreno 225.

The Prime will probably be getting the OMAP 4460 which is a 1.5GHz dual-core processor with an SGX540 GPU. The SGX540 is a bit concerning since it is showing some age, but in the 4460, it will be clocked at 384Mhz instead of the usual ~300MHz.

The MSM8660 (with Adreno 220) and OMAP 4460 (with 384MHz SGX540) should perform fairly similarly in games and other graphically intensive tasks. The MSM8960 (with Adreno 225) would easily trounce the SGX540, though.

There is also rumor that the Prime will have the a 1.5GHz dual-core Exynos processor. This would have the Mali-400 GPU. On paper, the Mali-400 bests both the Adreno 220 and 225; however, graphics drivers appear to be a bit immature right now, so real world performance is a little sub par (though still very good).

What I would love to see is the OMAP 4470 in the Prime. It, too, is a 1.5GHz dual-core processor but it has the SGX544 GPU. This would beat out the Mali-400 in the Exynos by a fair margin. But this is by far the least likely processor we'll see in the Prime.

Those are the major points. Hope it helps.
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I would seriously doubt that Vigor will have the MSM8960 (28 nm Krait) as it is only in sampling in Q4 2011. That would be a major surprise. Also at this time, Exynos 4212 seems very unlikely for Galaxy Nexus for Verizon.
 
gilgehmesh said:
I would seriously doubt that Vigor will have the MSM8960 (28 nm Krait) as it is only in sampling in Q4 2011. That would be a major surprise. Also at this time, Exynos 4212 seems very unlikely for Galaxy Nexus for Verizon.
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I seriously doubt it as well, but I mentioned them simply for posterity. Most likely, the Vigor will have the MSM8660 or closely related derivative there of, and the Prime will have the OMAP 4460.
 
The single core Scorpion that is in the Flyer beats the funk out of the 4430 in the Droid 3 and the Tegra 2 in the Thrive for video, emulators and Flash. If the dual core is more of the same love, but more resources for even more love, I am sold on it. Especially since the Vig will probably have a microsd card slot.

Please note I ran practical tests with N64, FPse, 720p MKV files and hidef Flash. The Flyer was significantly better than the dual cores, regardless of synthetic benchmarks.
 
Nexus Rannic said:
ICS is more than enough reason to skip the Vigor and get the Nexus Prime/Galaxy Nexus
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Not like it will not be coming to other devices later. Besides, I need a device with microsd slot. You cloud people should stay away from the pretty light. It is sooo pretteeee. Zap! ;)

That said, a lot of folks will not fill the 26gb or so in the Nexus that is free anyway. Just us media hounds, of which most prefer rain clouds over data ones.
 
so for us 'stupid people', what does all that technical jargon mean exactly? :P

ultimately (rumors only of course) nexus prime > vigor regarding hardware and operating system?
 
grindle said:
so for us 'stupid people', what does all that technical jargon mean exactly? :P

ultimately (rumors only of course) nexus prime > vigor regarding hardware and operating system?
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The Nexus Prime and Vigor are about equal in hardware more or less. It is hard to judge until they are both released, but I doubt one will blow the other out of the water.

Nexus Prime wins big on the operating system because it ships with stock Ice Cream Sandwich, while the Vigor will likely ship with an older version of Android.
 
ZachMob said:
The Nexus Prime and Vigor are about equal in hardware more or less. It is hard to judge until they are both released, but I doubt one will blow the other out of the water.

Nexus Prime wins big on the operating system because it ships with stock Ice Cream Sandwich, while the Vigor will likely ship with an older version of Android.
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great, thanks so much!
 
grindle said:
so for us 'stupid people', what does all that technical jargon mean exactly? :P

ultimately (rumors only of course) nexus prime > vigor regarding hardware and operating system?
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Most of us are talking smack :) We will have better idea on specs in the next few days.
 
ZachMob said:
The Nexus Prime and Vigor are about equal in hardware more or less. It is hard to judge until they are both released, but I doubt one will blow the other out of the water.

Nexus Prime wins big on the operating system because it ships with stock Ice Cream Sandwich, while the Vigor will likely ship with an older version of Android.
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I wouldn't day that Nexus Prime and Vigor equal hardware wise. I would put 4460 1.5GHz (ARM A9) over S3 1.5GHz (Scorpion core, based on A8 but enhanced.) It would seem like even the S3 1.5Ghz on the T-Mobile Galaxy S II is probably inferior to even the Exynos (ARM A9) 1.2GHz in most aspects.
 
gilgehmesh said:
I wouldn't day that Nexus Prime and Vigor equal hardware wise. I would put 4460 1.5GHz (ARM A9) over S3 1.5GHz (Scorpion core, based on A8 but enhanced.) It would seem like even the S3 1.5Ghz on the T-Mobile Galaxy S II is probably inferior to even the Exynos (ARM A9) 1.2GHz in most aspects.
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But that T-mobile SGS2 seems to easily beat HTC Amaze using the same 1.5Ghz S3 snapdragon in benchmarks. This probably means new TW 4.0 is better than Sense 3.0 UI in terms of managing resource. HTC doesn't have good track record when it comes to battery life and Sense seems to be the main culprit. I also think Cortex A9 based processors are more power efficient than snapdragons that HTC is sticking with.
 
I know the Flyer smacks the Droid 3 and Thrive and A500 for video media, Flash and game emulators. Did not expect it at all. Complete opposite was expected.
 
Consider Android 2.3.whatever will be more stable than the first effort of ICS. Will it be plagued with bugs? It's bound to have some but we won't know till it debuts which is just the problem. Doesn't mean I'm not interested in getting the Prime,just something to consider....
 
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