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Moto Abandon Bionic?

knitpurlgurl

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Is it just me or does if feel like Bionic had a lot of hype prior to release and then Razr came out and Moto has devoted all energy/attn. to it? It's a little disappointing, because I felt like I plunked down a good chunk of change on Bionic to get a great phone (which I really do like), only to have it pushed aside. I know Moto and Verizon insist Bionic will get ICS, but I doubt it will get it before Razr.
 
Is it just me or does if feel like Bionic had a lot of hype prior to release and then Razr came out and Moto has devoted all energy/attn. to it? It's a little disappointing, because I felt like I plunked down a good chunk of change on Bionic to get a great phone (which I really do like), only to have it pushed aside. I know Moto and Verizon insist Bionic will get ICS, but I doubt it will get it before Razr.

I think it's fairly common for the newer flagship phones to get more attention that the older ones, even when release dates are only a couple of months apart. I don't think that Moto/Verizon will be abandoning the Bionic support at all, but they are probably making more money right now selling the Razr and RazrMaxx, so that phone will get more attention.

There has been a lot of analysis of the Bionic history - it was announced at CES in January 2011, needed to be completely redesigned (I think because the Tegra processor would not work with LTE), and came out later than planned, in September. It was Moto's first LTE device, Verizon's first dual-core LTE phone, and, of course, both promoted it heavily. But R&D efforts for new phone handsets are very long, and the Razr came out far closer to the Bionic than Motorola and Verizon originally planned (my guess is that they were hoping for the Bionic to come out at about a bit before the Droid 3, in summer, much like the Razr came out just before the similarly-styled Droid 4), so now it appears that the Bionic was heavily promoted and then ignored for the Razr. I doubt that was the plan, but that's the way it looks.

Remember that the Droid X received a GB upgrade after the release of the Droid X2, and the Droid 2 series did as well after the Droid 3 had been out for a while. The OG Droid even received a recent security update (though not an OS upgrade.) Moto promised that the Bionic would get ICS (though not when), and I am sure that they would love to get a stable ICS build out to Bionic users as fast as they can. But, we won't know until it's actually done, or Moto actually tells us what is going on. (I do wish that there was some transparency about their efforts; I think it would make consumers far more happy to know what is being done, what progress has been made, etc. For some reason the company seems to think being secretive about it is more valuable. Moto perhaps is probably trying to be more like Apple, which is silly, because Moto is clearly not Apple.)

(Above is mostly guesses, though it sure sounds good ;) ...)
 
Is it just me or does if feel like Bionic had a lot of hype prior to release and then Razr came out and Moto has devoted all energy/attn. to it? It's a little disappointing, because I felt like I plunked down a good chunk of change on Bionic to get a great phone (which I really do like), only to have it pushed aside. I know Moto and Verizon insist Bionic will get ICS, but I doubt it will get it before Razr.

I can understand that moto is using the razr as their development phone. Its truly their flagship model right now. However, since most of the Moto phones are similar to one another they can test and develop for one device and apply their findings to their other phones if needed in a reasonable time frame. I think the main focus would be getting ICS on our bionic regardless if its before or after the razr. There is still support for our bionic and I don't see that changing in the near future.
 
what do you think the big deal is about ICS, anyway???? Please explain in detail, what's so tremendous about ICS on a phone. I just don't get all this angst over having a well functioning phone that doesn't get a quick update to a likely-flawed-release of ICS. Wouldn't you rather have a phone that is reliable, than a quick-out-the-door release of a new OS????
 
what do you think the big deal is about ICS, anyway???? Please explain in detail, what's so tremendous about ICS on a phone. I just don't get all this angst over having a well functioning phone that doesn't get a quick update to a likely-flawed-release of ICS. Wouldn't you rather have a phone that is reliable, than a quick-out-the-door release of a new OS????

Stock ICS has some mobile data usage controls which are pretty useful for somebody on a limited data plan. For example, if you have a hungry data app you can restrict it.

Stock ICS better supports multi-core processors, such as the dual-core CPU in the Bionic. Multi-threaded apps can run faster.

I would hopethat Moto is likely to extend Smart Actions to the Bionic, which will help with battery life.

ICS code is more efficient, both in terms of app speed and battery life, than Gingerbread.

There are some, and there will be more, ICS-specific apps in the market. Google Chrome browser is one example. The Gmail app on Honeycomb and ICS is better as well, as I believe is the Google Maps app.

ICS has better voice dictation than GB - much better - if Motorola includes that.

This is speculation on my part, but because the Bionic was delayed, I suspect that a lot of the problems with the firmware it shipped with was due to the fact that Moto and Verizon rushed it out without testing it adequately and thoroughly. It is very likely that an ICS upgrade will be far better tested.

All that said, I think that the Bionic is fine with Gingerbread, and I agree with you that a user should be able to choose to stay on an older release, at least for a period of time. However, Google updated Gingerbread to 2.3.6, I presume in part to fix security-related bugs, so staying on an old release of GB does leave you open to potential security threats. I hope that you can see why some people eagerly await ICS from that list above (which is a partial list of ICS improvements).

It would be nice if mobile OSes were supported more like desktop OSes, so security patches were released quickly to older versions of OSes, but this does not appear to be the model that the smartphone industry is following.
 
Remember, MOTO/VZW work at a snail's pace. It took 2 OTA/patches spanning 3-4 months to fix the 3G/4G glitch. Any time one involves this many companies (Google/MOTO/VZW) nothing happens quickly. FWIW, how many VZW phones have ICS to date.......
 
Didn't we just get the 902 update? Don't think we'd still be getting OTAs if they "forgot" about the Bionic. I think almost every phone that comes out these days gets "forgotten" about pretty quickly. It's the nature of the market. Now the rumor mill is spinning about the Droid Fighter and other new stuff coming out, pretty soon the RAZR won't seem like such a big deal.

Just going by ICS releases isn't a good way to judge phone support. Switch to an ICS ROM tonight if you want to use it that badly. Just because we don't have official ICS yet doesn't mean it isn't coming or that the Bionic is dead.
 
Stock ICS has some mobile data usage controls which are pretty useful for somebody on a limited data plan. For example, if you have a hungry data app you can restrict it.

Stock ICS better supports multi-core processors, such as the dual-core CPU in the Bionic. Multi-threaded apps can run faster.

I would hopethat Moto is likely to extend Smart Actions to the Bionic, which will help with battery life.

ICS code is more efficient, both in terms of app speed and battery life, than Gingerbread.

There are some, and there will be more, ICS-specific apps in the market. Google Chrome browser is one example. The Gmail app on Honeycomb and ICS is better as well, as I believe is the Google Maps app.

ICS has better voice dictation than GB - much better - if Motorola includes that.

This is speculation on my part, but because the Bionic was delayed, I suspect that a lot of the problems with the firmware it shipped with was due to the fact that Moto and Verizon rushed it out without testing it adequately and thoroughly. It is very likely that an ICS upgrade will be far better tested.

All that said, I think that the Bionic is fine with Gingerbread, and I agree with you that a user should be able to choose to stay on an older release, at least for a period of time. However, Google updated Gingerbread to 2.3.6, I presume in part to fix security-related bugs, so staying on an old release of GB does leave you open to potential security threats. I hope that you can see why some people eagerly await ICS from that list above (which is a partial list of ICS improvements).

It would be nice if mobile OSes were supported more like desktop OSes, so security patches were released quickly to older versions of OSes, but this does not appear to be the model that the smartphone industry is following.

Thanks for detailing how Bionic owners could benefit from ICS. I see far too many people wanting ICS merely because it's newer than what they have now.

Regarding Smart Actions - I hate to think I'm sounding like a shill, but Tasker blows away Smart Actions, and is available now (though not free). The learning curve is steep, but not unduly so given its capabilities.
 
ICS (stock) is pretty amazing. Considering that nearly all the ROMs I used on my OG Droid, Froyo through GB were highly themed and now nearly all ICS ROMs for my Nexus are very minimalist proves that Google made great strides with the new OS.
I haven't messed with my wife's Bionic since I got my Nexus so I've no idea what ROM/baseband it's on. I think Eclair was possibly the only other amazing OS update Google has put out besides ICS. It really does put things over the top. And, by what I've seen from what Moto has Blur'd ICS, it looks great. Something to look forward to.
 
Is it just me or does if feel like Bionic had a lot of hype prior to release and then Razr came out and Moto has devoted all energy/attn. to it? It's a little disappointing, because I felt like I plunked down a good chunk of change on Bionic to get a great phone (which I really do like), only to have it pushed aside. I know Moto and Verizon insist Bionic will get ICS, but I doubt it will get it before Razr.

If it's doing fine for you and you're happy with it, just be happy.

On a personal opinion, I wouldn't be in a big hurry for any updates if the phone is working well. I have not had really good experiences with updates and upgrades.

That was the primary reason I rooted my new bionic was to stop any updates! lol It's doing just what I want it to do. :)
 
what do you think the big deal is about ICS, anyway???? Please explain in detail, what's so tremendous about ICS on a phone. I just don't get all this angst over having a well functioning phone that doesn't get a quick update to a likely-flawed-release of ICS. Wouldn't you rather have a phone that is reliable, than a quick-out-the-door release of a new OS????


My thoughts on ICS is "Heres to hoping" to fix the data dropping issues that I, my wife and a friend all have.

I have another phone (Nexus) for work with ICS and I have to say, I'm not overly impressed... but the phone is stable.

So I'm with you on this... give me stability over ICS...
 
This is another reason why I hate Motorola phones: because they release a better one every month. My next upgrade, which will be in 2013 (again I hate you Motorola), I'm getting a Samsung. They had the Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, and Galaxy Nexus releases 1 year apart. IMO, they spend more time and care perfecting each phone before release.
 
This is another reason why I hate Motorola phones: because they release a better one every month. My next upgrade, which will be in 2013 (again I hate you Motorola), I'm getting a Samsung. They had the Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, and Galaxy Nexus releases 1 year apart. IMO, they spend more time and care perfecting each phone before release.
That is true. Don't get me wrong, I love the Bionic and would not trade it for the Razr or Razr Maxx, but they do give the perception that once the new product hits, the old is forgotten. Not saying that perception is true, only how it feels.
 
Well the Razr is so much better than the Bionic. The Bionic feels like a prototype phone in comparison. It's fine but the Razr is well put together like the X. My Bionic still rarely has data in Los Angeles but I'm on wifi alot which is lucky.

ICS sounds nice. I'd like chrome for the sync capabilities.
 
Well the Razr is so much better than the Bionic. The Bionic feels like a prototype phone in comparison. It's fine but the Razr is well put together like the X. My Bionic still rarely has data in Los Angeles but I'm on wifi alot which is lucky.

ICS sounds nice. I'd like chrome for the sync capabilities.

If i was moto i would have keeped the droid line modeled after the original droid. With that said i am on battery three now on the bionic and second bionic, in 2 yrs with the original droid i never had to replace a battery or phone so i am for one gratefull for a removable battery.
 
The original DROID was really well built. The x was a good phone too. Motorola builds good stuff. The battery in the razrs are replaceable like in the iphone. Not simple but not often needed.
 
My thoughts on ICS is "Heres to hoping" to fix the data dropping issues that I, my wife and a friend all have.

I have another phone (Nexus) for work with ICS and I have to say, I'm not overly impressed... but the phone is stable.

So I'm with you on this... give me stability over ICS...

I'm running ICS on my BIONIC via being rooted and safestrapped, and let me tell you this: this unofficial, beta (really alpha) build of ICS for the BIONIC developed by Cyanogen and ported over to he BIONIC by DHacker29 is more stable than GB is on the non safe side. Stock is not stable for a number of reason,s but the main being that GB, in and of itself, does not support multiple processors, so it's squirrelly at best when it comes to really grinding your processor.

ICS stock is pretty neat, definitely could be better, but the back end is overhauled to make things work much more seamlessly than in previous versions of Android. As a result, several things have changed and there was a flurry of activity by app devs to make their apps ICS compatible b/c of those changes - and not all issues have still been fixed in all apps. It's really no different than the major overhaul from XP to Vista, with the exception that ICS doesn't kill your resources like Vista does. From a developer's POV, though, the change does warrant a good opportunity to go back and improve your code tremendously, which, a lot of developers are simply not putting enough time into.

This is another reason why I hate Motorola phones: because they release a better one every month. My next upgrade, which will be in 2013 (again I hate you Motorola), I'm getting a Samsung. They had the Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, and Galaxy Nexus releases 1 year apart. IMO, they spend more time and care perfecting each phone before release.

They really don't. Our BIONICs were delayed over 9 months, and ended up using the platform that was already slated to be released as the RAZR. otherwise it would have been more like 6-8 months difference between the two phones.

That is true. Don't get me wrong, I love the Bionic and would not trade it for the Razr or Razr Maxx, but they do give the perception that once the new product hits, the old is forgotten. Not saying that perception is true, only how it feels.

Is this the perception you get from Motorola, or from VZW? I see it more as a VZW thing - they are the ones promoting the phones, they are the ones that are advertising, etc. Your perception, I think, is spot on - after all, perception is highly subjective, so I can't say it's wrong - but I think your analysis of the source of your perception may be a bit off.

part of this is because of limited inventory - or, I should say, because they make more money off of newer phones, being able to charge premium prices, than off older phones. Part of this is because marketing. And part of it is because they want to remain competitive with the other carriers.

Well the Razr is so much better than the Bionic. The Bionic feels like a prototype phone in comparison. It's fine but the Razr is well put together like the X. My Bionic still rarely has data in Los Angeles but I'm on wifi alot which is lucky.

ICS sounds nice. I'd like chrome for the sync capabilities.

To each their own. The only real problem I have with the BIONIC is the plastic back cover - if it were metal, I'd like it even better. In contrast, to me the RAZR feels like a toy, and flimsy as well. I can't make my BIONIC flex in my hands, but playing with the RAZR in the store, I could - and that made me very leery of it.

If i was moto i would have keeped the droid line modeled after the original droid. With that said i am on battery three now on the bionic and second bionic, in 2 yrs with the original droid i never had to replace a battery or phone so i am for one gratefull for a removable battery.

Removable batts *are* good.

Surprised you've had issues with batts though, b/c I have both originals (CostCo purchase so I got heaps of extras), plus I bought 2 extended batts. All 4 are working perfectly fine here. Also on the same phone I originally bought. Sorry to hear you've been having hardware issues....

The original DROID was really well built. The x was a good phone too. Motorola builds good stuff. The battery in the razrs are replaceable like in the iphone. Not simple but not often needed.

True enough - not *easily* replaceable, but replaceable nonetheless.

The RAZR, though, forces me to either 1) keep a charger with me at all times in case my battery starts to go low, or 2) purchase an external battery that I can hook up to the phone to charge the battery if I am in an area where there is no convenient way to charge the phone.

With my BIONIC, having 2 stock and 2 extended batteries, plus an external battery charger, I can easily keep a spare battery with me to swap and go - it's smaller than the charger, and no worries to worry about either. When I start to go down, I power off, swap, power on, and in less than 2 minutes I;m back up and running. With a full battery.

Again, it is to each his/her own, but to *me* this is much more convenient. I can even stagger batteries - the extended batteries will give me a minimum of 20+ hours of use, so I can put in a stock in the morning and if it turns out that I am using the phone a lot, I can swap over to an extended. If I know the entire day is going to be on the phone for extensive use, I have one extended in the phone and the other with me.
 
Though the razr has the same battery life as the bionic I would opt for the Maxx because it is the same size as the bionic but twice the battery for the reasons you said too. My wife has low usage and is on wifi most if the time so it is never an issue for her with the razr. I don't see upgrading again with Verizon an now with their crazy fees. They are more expensive and lte has become a joke IMO.

Only a world phone would be a reason at this point. It has dual core and dual cameras. Does everything I need.
 
I just had LTE enabled for my area - preliminary (subjective, of course) opinion is hat LTE sucks more battery juice out. I'll try to conduct more objective testing (based upon my previous test when I first bought the extended batteries).

My guess, though, is that LTE sucks battery more. A lot more. Statistically significantly more.
 
I meant that you might see a decrease. Then again, when I was 3G only, I was on wifi at home, whereas now I'm not using wifi at home b/c this 4G connection is actually faster than my wifi....that may be the deciding factor...
 
I might but I didn't. Motorola has a better 4g chip than Samsung and HTC. Wifi is tough to beat as it only has to transmit hundreds of feet instead of thousands or miles.
 
FWIW - the nearest tower to my home location is actually very close, in terms of miles, no more than 2 miles away. But, yeah, that's still a heck of a lot more than 3 feet :P
 
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