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Root WOOP WOOP : Eng S-Off is here!

sorry, none of my silly abreviations are makin sense to you are they? :p

YMMV=Your Mileage May Vary ;)

meaning it works good for me,but not everyone may have that same experience
 
scotty85 said:
there are many ways to update a radio. i personally suggest running a whole ruu for your carrier,so that you get the most up to date radio,hboot,and other firmware. IMO its not good to start mix-and-matching things,especially if youre still on the old firmware from the aahk downgrade ruu.

i am running the radio/hboot/firmware from the latest unbranded 2.3/sense 3.0 ruu. seems to work fine for me,but YMMV.

lots of info on radios and changing them in this thread:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-...ttery-life-should-i-attempt-change-radio.html
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Ok, boss thanks for help.
But I don't understand- If I run whole ruu it means reinstalling rcmix and put some other rom???
In this case do I need to unroot to be possible to receive htc update?
thanks
 
The RUU will put you back to stock (stock ROM/Radio/Recovery). If you wanted to have rcmix on your phone, you would have to re-root.

If you run the RUU, you would be able to get further updates from HTC :)
 
Ok, boss
Can you give me some link for steps to do this?
Also, I know there is rooted but original sense 3.0 rom- if I ins tall this one I will get same radio and kernel version as with stock one???
 
An RUU is an exe file that runs on your computer - it pushes the stock firmware to the phone and is pretty straight forward. Each step is followed by a press of the "next" button and the RUU does it all.

It is not the same to put a rooted stock ROM on your phone - this would be the same as putting any ROM on your phone (would be only the ROM, not the radio/recovery/etc). In order to get the stock radio the way the Scotty has mentioned, you would run the RUU and then, if you wanted to be rooted, would have to re-root your phone.
 
ivanox1972 said:
Ok, boss thanks for help.
But I don't understand- If I run whole ruu it means reinstalling rcmix and put some other rom???
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correct.it will put an unrooted,stock rom on your phone,along with matching hboot,radio,and other firmware.

s-off will remain

recovery is easily reinstalled as a PD98IMG file,and you can restore a backup you made prior to running the ruu,or reflash the rom and get a fresh start.


ivanox1972 said:
In this case do I need to unroot to be possible to receive htc update?
thanks
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no. you are not recieveing an OTA from htc... you are running a .exe file on your pc that will update the phones software and firmware.

this is just my opinion. you are welcome to try changing just the radio,maybe it will work out... but again,YMMV ;) i encourage you(and anyone reading along) to research it further and form your own opinions. :)

i am not by any means an expert on the dhd. my recomendations may be not neccessary,but they do have basis on experience ive had with other devices ,and id rather reccomend the "long road" rather than a shortcut that could result in poor performance or a bricked device :eek:
 
Aah right... Running the ruu and then re rooting..
Does that remove / reduce the "risks" of just flashing a radio?
 
Running the Sense 3.0 RUU would put you on to the most up to date stock radio... you would just have to then re-root.

The "risk" would be minimal :)
 
I have never changed my radio... from what Scotty has said, he has found that the radio that is packaged in the Sense 3.0 RUU works pretty well... could be worth a try :)
 
Mehta23 said:
I assume a up to date radio works better?
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theoretically yes... just like software updates make the rom smoother and more functional,a newer,updated radio will hopefully give stronger,more stable signals.

but,with so many different carrier and regional RUUs,newer radios from different regions/carriers may have adverse affects.

given the "brick potential" of flashing hboots or radios,i wouldnt neccesarily just arbitrarily flashing different ones without good reason. i would try and stay with either:
1)the newest one for your particular region/carrier
or
2)the particular one that your roms developer reccomends.

if neither of those give good performance,then it is possible some experimenting with different ones may produce better results. again,YMMV ;)
 
Ok, I will install newest RUU and have newest official software... But then I need to make root again if I want any custom rom (for example backup of rcmix I now have). What is best method to root newest software- I reed it is no easy as for older. I used ace hack for first root.
thanks
 
having run the aahk,you should be radio s-off,and therefore should still be afterwards.

rooting the new software is as simple as installing the recovery as a PD98IMG file:
cwm-5.0.2.7-ace.zip

simply download,rename to just PD98IMG,place on root of sd card,boot to hboot,then let it flash. when its done reboot,and immediately remove PD98IMG from the sd card.

if you wish to root that software in the ruu and run it for a few days,all you need to do is then flash superuser 3.0.7 in recovery. alternately,you can go ahead and restore a backup,or you can flash a new rom.

you can do literally anything on an s-off device. so once youve run the aahk and become s-off and superCID,there is no need to run it again... unless you need it to turn s-on :eek:

also thot id point out that if you happen to want a GB sense rom,the newest unbranded sense 3.0 is actually a very nice rom.defiantely not bad to stay on for a few days :)
 
Mehta23 said:
Aah right... Running the ruu and then re rooting..
Does that remove / reduce the "risks" of just flashing a radio?
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any time you flash something that contains a radio and/or hboot,there is the slight risk that that portion of the download could become corrupt,resulting in a hard brick :eek:

i dont mean to scare you guys with all my cautions. just make sure you are careful,and the risk,as D-U-R-X said,is minimal.

the main thing you need to do wether flashing just a radio,or a whole RUU,is double check the md5 and maks sure youre flashing a good download. as long as the tings you flash arent corrupt,chances of mishap are slim to none.

as far as other risks,yes,i do believe flashing the ruu and rerooting eliminate the risk we were discussing eralier. with different regional ruus,its possible that some radios are not compatible with other hboots and firmware,so flashing the whole ruu does in fact make the process safer since you can be 100% certain that everything matches and works :)

i got my first inspire hung up on the htc splash screen by flashing an older eng hboot with certain fimrware,i dont recall exactly what it was now,but i do remember that after flashing the hboot it wouldnt boot. i tried just flashing a different radio,and that didnt fix it... i ended up having to run an ruu to get it working again. in that case it wasnt permanently damaged,but is a good example of why we should use caution. one other time that did end badly,i killed an htc merge by flshing an hboot with chinese test rom :eek: the hboot flashed fine,but when i typed fastboot reboot-bootloader instead of rebooting into the new bootloader,it gave a short buzz,turned off,and hasnt turned on since. :(
 
https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B6ZQd9HavzysQkw0bEU5LUpUdG8&export=download


Xyro found me a Orange RUU. I know what everyone's said about the 6 month rule with Orange, but I thought it would be useful for other users.

Also , is there a RUU for the 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M Radio ... it s the RR for ARHD.

One Mo TIng : how many times would you say is ok to flash ruu's and then re root, or does it not matter?

Would you recommend getting a radio that's reccommended for the rom, or for the area / up to date?
How up to date is the 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M
 
Mehta23 said:
https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B6ZQd9HavzysQkw0bEU5LUpUdG8&export=download


Xyro found me a Orange RUU. I know what everyone's said about the 6 month rule with Orange, but I thought it would be useful for other users.

Also , is there a RUU for the 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M Radio ... it s the RR for ARHD.

One Mo TIng : how many times would you say is ok to flash ruu's and then re root, or does it not matter?

Would you recommend getting a radio that's reccommended for the rom, or for the area / up to date?
How up to date is the 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M
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sorry mates,i dint forget about ya,its just been a busy couple days,then ive had no electricty for the last 2 days wich hasnt helped :eek:

anyway,the 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M radio comes in the latest unbranded sense 3.0 ruu: Shipped ROMs it may come in others,but it is for sure in that one.

as D-U-R-X said,it doesnt really matter how many times you flash things,as long as youre careful not to flash corrupt or bad tings ;) some of my phones(my eris and thunderbolt in particular) have been flashed more times than i can even remember!

since ARHD reccomends that radio,id prolly start with it. if it gives you good perfomrance,then stick with it. if not,then id try the one from an orange ruu.

thanks for the link,im downloading it to add to my collection :D

also,this ruu has a newer build number:
FileFactory Premium

it may be a little better to use,it does have a higher radio version than the one you linked :)
 
Thanks so much! I did wonder if I was gonna get a reply, but without leccy, there's not much you can do. Myself ; I've got some problems with the old tinternet... Can connect to the router, but sometimes no connection to websites?
 
scotty85 said:
the main thing you need to do wether flashing just a radio,or a whole RUU,is double check the md5 and maks sure youre flashing a good download. as long as the tings you flash arent corrupt,chances of mishap are slim to none.
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Where do I get the md5 to check? Or do I not need one if I run the .exe RUU?


Also , does my phone need to be on? I can't find anywhere that says anything about the phone , apart from plugging it in....


Another thing : After running it , I get this error : ERROR [155~159]: IMAGE ERROR
One of these error messages will appear when you use the incorrect RUU to update and the image file size is larger than the Flash ROM size. In this case, download the correct RUU version and try again


And then another thing. ( too many questions ) I have no idea what has happened, and why it hasnt worked.
Is it possible for me to get a rom.zip / PD98IMG and flash it from HBOOT?
 
Mehta23 said:
Where do I get the md5 to check? Or do I not need one if I run the .exe RUU?
usually folks that upload things will provide you an md5. if they do not,a couple things come to mind: ask on a forum if anyone has flashed a particular file,and then ask them to post the md5 of the file they flashed. if the file is the same,fromthe same download link,etc. it should match.

you could also download the file a couple of times. as long as you get the same md5 each time,you could make an asumption that it is not corrupt.

i have always wondered why .exe file ruus dont come with an md5... maybe they do some sort of checks on themselves?? :confused:

Also , does my phone need to be on? I can't find anywhere that says anything about the phone , apart from plugging it in....
yes. typically the ruu is started with usb debugging on,in a booted state. however,if you have prollems there,you can put the phone in fastboot,and then run the .exe,and it should work fine there,as well.


Another thing : After running it , I get this error : ERROR [155~159]: IMAGE ERROR
One of these error messages will appear when you use the incorrect RUU to update and the image file size is larger than the Flash ROM size. In this case, download the correct RUU version and try again


And then another thing. ( too many questions ) I have no idea what has happened, and why it hasnt worked.
Is it possible for me to get a rom.zip / PD98IMG and flash it from HBOOT?
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absolutely. just start the .exe,click the "i understand" box and then next... at that point rom.zip should be in a temp folder somewhere. i find it just by searching \c for "rom.zip" and when it finds it,open that folder location,and move rom.zip to somewhere non-temporary :) i alwyas change the name to the same as the .exe i pull it from so i dont get them confused,since i mess with several htc phones and have tons of that stuff on my pc :eek:

if it will help you,the md5 of rom.zip i extracted from RUU_Ace_Sense30_S_HTC_WWE_3.12.405.1_Radio_12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M_release_225512_signed,and flashed several times on my inspire is: 100d6b3674f4bdbe90ef2ef2db4a53b2

hope that helps :)
 
Turns out , once I booted into HBOOT, the RUU flashed fine.

I am now on the stock rom , but my radio is

12.65.60.26U_26.14.04.28_M...... so it has a U in it ??>>

I guess I just download and set up the AAHK to root it again, and then restore my nan backup ??

Ignore me. You've already answered it earlier

I'm all done. Restored my nan so I'm back on ARHD. Straightaway there doesn't seem to be much if a difference in signal strength ; if doesn't fluctuate as much, but it has a very similar average in my house.
 
Mehta23 said:
Do I need a RIL?
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A RIL is a Radio Interface Layer... it is to do with how the phone's operating system "talks" to the radio hardware of the phone. The right RIL for the radio you have would mean best possible performance.


How long before everything settles?
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I'd have run the ROM for a coulpe of days, to see what the radio performace was like... you would then know if the performace you are seeing now is typical for you on that radio (you'd be able to compare the two at least). I would have thought that what you are seeing is the best you'll be getting... don't think it needs to "settle" so to speak - don't know for sure though, as I have never changed my radio.
 
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