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Was adobe paid off to ditch linux when it's coming to flash?

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Satires

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Android users got the shaft, but so did linux!

They say they will provide security updates but stop development for linux distros.

Funny...

Mac and Windows still gets the support.

Why is this?

Conspiracy theory?

Over the years I have read things about both Microsoft and Apple and how they oppose linux in one fashion or another.

Is it all about control?

Is this a conspiracy theory?

I know flash is supposedly dying, but those with any sense know it isn't going to change over night.

Well, the for profit desktop os companies got their cake.
 
Satires said:
Android users got the shaft, but so did linux!

They say they will provide security updates but stop development for linux distros.

Funny...

Mac and Windows still gets the support.

Why is this?

Conspiracy theory?

Over the years I have read things about both Microsoft and Apple and how they oppose linux in one fashion or another.

Is it all about control?

Is this a conspiracy theory?

I know flash is supposedly dying, but those with any sense know it isn't going to change over night.

Well, the for profit desktop os companies got their cake.
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probably a cash pay off. thats my 2 cents worth ;)
 
It would be nice if there was just one big switch somewhere that Adobe could throw, to kill Flash entirely, all at once. In an instant, all web sites that used Flash would transition to other, more standardized, less sucky methods, and all Flash-supporting plug-ins would disappear instantly from all web browsers and other such applications and devices.

I could wish that Flash would die out in a faster, more orderly manner than it is, but the important thing is that it is finally dying out.

On my opinion, Flash is one of the worst things that ever happened to computing, and I will be glad when it is finally dead.
 
As a linux user, who needs it. If a website requires it, I move on...though I do have it installed. I can live without it. Same with some websites require you to use IE, I just move on from that site!
 
saptech said:
As a linux user, who needs it. If a website requires it, I move on...though I do have it installed. I can live without it. Same with some websites require you to use IE, I just move on from that site!
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Well, that's your point of view for your needs and not the needs of every individual that surfs the web. :) You have that right to express that. :)

I must be a simpleton or something cuz I never had an issue using adobe flash.

I read blogs as well as forums and write blogs. As I said a few times around the forum, there are more than just videos and ads that require flash. Website and blog widgets sometimes use flash. It's awfully frustrating (Or it would be with out flash) to click on a friend's blog who shared a song with a flash based mp3 widget and not be able to see nor hear it. Hence, my user experience is crippled without it.

Oh, and on linux, I need it to transfer files to my phone.

I think the average web surfer doesn't know just how big of a foot print adobe flash has on the web. When I go to a site, I don't want to just move on, I shouldn't have to, it should just work. With my phone the way it does at present and with my linux box I use exclusively for nearly everything.
 
Adobe seems to be pulling a power trip with flash, like what happened with RealPlayer.

They thought the internet coudln't live without them and tried to pull support in a vailed atempt thinking we will all roll over to give them money to keep it around.

flash replaced realplayer and HTML5 has replaced flash.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
It would be nice if there was just one big switch somewhere that Adobe could throw, to kill Flash entirely, all at once. In an instant, all web sites that used Flash would transition to other, more standardized, less sucky methods, and all Flash-supporting plug-ins would disappear instantly from all web browsers and other such applications and devices.

I could wish that Flash would die out in a faster, more orderly manner than it is, but the important thing is that it is finally dying out.

On my opinion, Flash is one of the worst things that ever happened to computing, and I will be glad when it is finally dead.
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Like I was writing to saptech, I must be a light wieght or simpleton, cuz I never had issues with flash. I don't know why I never had issues. Maybe, and I'm just guessing here, I stay on top of maintaining my computers and devices (Past and present). :)
 
Bob Blaylock said:
It would be nice if there was just one big switch somewhere that Adobe could throw, to kill Flash entirely, all at once. In an instant, all web sites that used Flash would transition to other, more standardized, less sucky methods, and all Flash-supporting plug-ins would disappear instantly from all web browsers and other such applications and devices.

I could wish that Flash would die out in a faster, more orderly manner than it is, but the important thing is that it is finally dying out.

On my opinion, Flash is one of the worst things that ever happened to computing, and I will be glad when it is finally dead.
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But that's just it. It will never die. It will live in repos across this great land of servers and forever and ever and ever, people will want it. Even after HTML 143 arrives, it will live forever.

To aswer the OP's query, NO! no proof anyone was paid off. No Adobe hit squads. None, zero, zinch, nada.
 
350X said:
Adobe seems to be pulling a power trip with flash, like what happened with RealPlayer.

They thought the internet coudln't live without them and tried to pull support in a vailed atempt thinking we will all roll over to give them money to keep it around.

flash replaced realplayer and HTML5 has replaced flash.
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You say that HTML5 has replaced flash. Unless HTML5 looks exactly like flash, all of the websites I visit still use flash. Youtube, wimp, apple trailers, imdb, forums, ads, etc. Seems flash is still very much alive and well and it is HTML5 that has yet to replace it. I hope it does, but just from my perspective, it seems it's still very much in infancy.

Unless I'm wrong, which I very well could be.
 
you gotta set your browser to use HTML5, website owners aren't going to change until they have too.

like the jetpack addon for dolphin hd
 
Bob Maxey said:
But that's just it. It will never die. It will live in repos across this great land of servers and forever and ever and ever, people will want it. Even after HTML 143 arrives, it will live forever.

To aswer the OP's query, NO! no proof anyone was paid off. No Adobe hit squads. None, zero, zinch, nada.
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Alright, no one was paid off that is "Known", no proof, I get that. I still find it funny how two major Os's that are for profit will continue to see support and linux/android got kicked to the curb....
 
cause to save cost the lesses of the two, the linux/android group who did the patches and updates got layed off or are on new projects.
 
I tried to watch a video on youtube today and my CPU went right up to 100% was stuttering like Billy Bibbit and totally unwatchable. I then went to youtube.com/html5 clicked join trial, reloaded the video and it was totally seamless with CPU usage in the 50-60% range.

I just built a computer to use as a Minecraft server for my son and I find myself browsing the web quite a bit on it because I never installed flash, it makes the 'net so much nicer. Without flash I hardly have to use AdBlock at all.

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MacFett said:
I tried to watch a video on youtube today and my CPU went right up to 100% was stuttering like Billy Bibbit and totally unwatchable. I then went to youtube.com/html5 clicked join trial, reloaded the video and it was totally seamless with CPU usage in the 50-60% range.

I just built a computer to use as a Minecraft server for my son and I find myself browsing the web quite a bit on it because I never installed flash, it makes the 'net so much nicer. Without flash I hardly have to use AdBlock at all.

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Must be something in your software, I don't have those problems.

You signed up for a trial? That makes it sound like they want to charge you money to use html5.

I never claimed adobe was perfect, I never had any real trouble with it. :)
 
The Internet and most of the applications that are closely associated with the Internet (SMTP/POP mail, HTML etc.) started off as standards that were proposed, vetted, refined and eventually adopted by the whole. That model worked well, and is still responsible for the success of the Internet.

I'm old enough to recall when people who weren't in a business that used the Internet used proprietary services like AOL, Compuserve and Prodigy. Those went away because the masses wanted to interoperate and be able to use whatever products that they wanted, as long as they adhered to the standards.

Now it seems like the Internet is rolling up its carpet and going back to the days of AOL, Compuserve and Prodigy. The main difference is that it's incompatible "cloud" products from Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft and few others. And the interesting thing is that's fine with me.

HTTP/HTML held so much promise, but most businesses have used their websites to give less information instead of more. It seems like they're more interested in conspiring with the thousands of snooping companies that link to their websites. No thanks! I'll use your toll-free phone number and hog time with a representative instead.

Products like Flash make it harder to access things, not easier. It's most often used to deny access, which is the antithesis of the Internet's design. Same thing for closed and private content delivery networks that operate separate from the Internet until the "last mile". If this continues along the same path, I envision a giant backlash where the laypeople don't want to even try using the Internet directly, where long-time users are fed up and no longer motivated to use the Internet for anything more than moving bulk data. I can see an Internet that ends up being the next generation of QVC and little else.

I've wanted to get into amateur radio since I was a kid, and right now the idea of using ham radios to replace the big money networks for a lot of stuff is looking more and more attractive.

Adobe, if you want to exclude me, the feeling is mutual.
 
Speed Daemon said:
The Internet and most of the applications that are closely associated with the Internet (SMTP/POP mail, HTML etc.) started off as standards that were proposed, vetted, refined and eventually adopted by the whole. That model worked well, and is still responsible for the success of the Internet.

I'm old enough to recall when people who weren't in a business that used the Internet used proprietary services like AOL, Compuserve and Prodigy. Those went away because the masses wanted to interoperate and be able to use whatever products that they wanted, as long as they adhered to the standards.

Now it seems like the Internet is rolling up its carpet and going back to the days of AOL, Compuserve and Prodigy. The main difference is that it's incompatible "cloud" products from Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft and few others. And the interesting thing is that's fine with me.

HTTP/HTML held so much promise, but most businesses have used their websites to give less information instead of more. It seems like they're more interested in conspiring with the thousands of snooping companies that link to their websites. No thanks! I'll use your toll-free phone number and hog time with a representative instead.

Products like Flash make it harder to access things, not easier. It's most often used to deny access, which is the antithesis of the Internet's design. Same thing for closed and private content delivery networks that operate separate from the Internet until the "last mile". If this continues along the same path, I envision a giant backlash where the laypeople don't want to even try using the Internet directly, where long-time users are fed up and no longer motivated to use the Internet for anything more than moving bulk data. I can see an Internet that ends up being the next generation of QVC and little else.

I've wanted to get into amateur radio since I was a kid, and right now the idea of using ham radios to replace the big money networks for a lot of stuff is looking more and more attractive.

Adobe, if you want to exclude me, the feeling is mutual.
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Good answer! :)
 
"I've wanted to get into amateur radio since I was a kid, and right now the idea of using ham radios to replace the big money networks for a lot of stuff is looking more and more attractive."

Why I went nuts to get a free 24 channel analog sound board. Take your digital and shove it ;) The songs of my youth were played on and recorded on equipment that is now sold as toys at walmart. but that is not a bad thing always ;)

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350X said:
"I've wanted to get into amateur radio since I was a kid, and right now the idea of using ham radios to replace the big money networks for a lot of stuff is looking more and more attractive."

Why I went nuts to get a free 24 channel analog sound board. Take your digital and shove it ;) The songs of my youth were played on and recorded on equipment that is now sold as toys at walmart. but that is not a bad thing always ;)
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Not sure what you think amateur radio will replace in your day to day, but you should realize (iffin you were not already aware) that you cannot broadcast, you cannot cuss or behave bad and no commercial messages.

Just sayin'
 
I joined the html5 trial on youtube too and its awesome

my laptop to maxed out when using flash and gets very hot

the html video in youtube sitting at 17%, i'm sold Adobe can go shove spiky stuff up there ass
 
I find flash to be the buggiest, crshiest software ever (including Windows ME) the sooner it's no longer in regular use, the better the web will be.
 
Seems like Adobe is patching Flash every week. Adobe had also added some crapware which some users objected to. Think it was McAfee. It depended on where you got your patch from. Adobe's probably tired of it, users are tired of it.

I had Flashblock on FX when everyone had to have some kind of in your face flash app on their site. I got tired of that. I only enable it for Youtube.
 
I have flash on my system, if it works, it works! If not, I move on. All this hate for flash isn't really helping any. If it dies, it dies, and off to the next big thing (Samsung?). I don't mind the ads as long as I get the content I want. The net isn't free, someone has to pay for all this 'service'. If you are in this forum, and think this is a free service provided by some rich guy who likes to waste money on hosting, bandwidth, as well as putting the time and effort to provide real content we can all enjoy, then you need to wake up. Nothing in this world is free, you pay for it one way or the other.... Just saying. ;)
 
zuben el genub said:
Seems like Adobe is patching Flash every week. Adobe had also added some crapware which some users objected to. Think it was McAfee. It depended on where you got your patch from. Adobe's probably tired of it, users are tired of it.
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I'll admit that I don't follow all the "bugfix" and "exploits" discussions online, and weigh the two, but the fact that they try to force an antivirus program on you says to me that the problem is exploits over bugs.

I see an uncanny resemblance here to how most users were talking about Windows in the same terms a decade ago. But Microsoft is still burgeoning and most users are still woefully ignorant of how their computers work. What's changed in the last decade? The script kiddies and more accomplished malware writers seem to have grown tired of Windows, and have moved on to the growing list of interpreted code products that can be exploited the same way regardless of the OS underneath.

I will probably not live to see the day that consumers (commercial and personal) go back to shopping for the best deal instead of being suckered by the advertising (shiny baubles and insincere promises). I doubt that there will be enough of a backlash against Flash to make it go away, and eventually the most religious boycotter will put it back in so they can use Big Website X simply because it's convenient. And the cycle of misery will continue...
 
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