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edgeez25

edgeez25

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I know we are a development of community but as a father of two beautiful and wonderful kids I feel so saddened and upset about what's going on in Newton... My heart goes out to those kids father's mothers brothers sisters ect.. They didn't deserve that no matter what stupid reason he had.. Time with your loved ones is never enough and today makes it that more of a reality...


My Family And Myself have everybody affected by this in our prayers... And and also hope that nobody here in our community was directly affected by this... As a Dad this kinda stuff scares the hell out of me... And I'm sure every Father in here feels the same way...

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I know man... Who knows what his issues at home where but there's no excuse in the world for taking it out on those poor kids.. No excuse at all..
 
No reason,purpose or motive is valid for such act of hate, distruction. no word of comfort were ever invented to ease such a tragedy. we see so many senseless killing happen yet when the smoke clears we are always left with 1 unanswered question, why? is depression strong enough to make a person do something against his will? feeling rejected by society is that a reason to take lives away? i read in the report the killer's mother was a teacher at that school and she too was killed by her son. I was told the true battle in life is in our minds and can surely say i believe that more than ever. May god bless the family of the victims. May he bless them with that peace in their lives that they need to continue on each day.
 
Yea sadly we are always left with the why?... What bothers me the most is people start throwing out the word Crazy...i don't buy that... a crazy person has no idea what they are doing he was sane enough to go to his mother's classroom and take away so many precious lives... What is even more disturbing is that at first I was under the impression that he went looking for his mom... but he had already killed her at home so he specifically went there to attack those poor little angels.... It's hard to explain to my daughter why school is a good place when shit like this happens...
 
One thing I learned today was he killed his mother in her HOUSE, not the school. Then drove to the school to murder those children.
Just awful, terrible. Been watching the news all morning about this and I think I need to turn it off. :(
 
Some reports say the killer was autistic. Don't know how severe or if that was a factor, but with some forms of autism, people don't feel empathy for others. The guns belonged to his mother, including an assault rifle. Seems kind of odd.
 
dreadnatty08 said:
One thing I learned today was he killed his mother in her HOUSE, not the school. Then drove to the school to murder those children.
Just awful, terrible. Been watching the news all morning about this and I think I need to turn it off. :(
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Yea that made it that much worse... I can't fathom what those innocent kids ever do to deserve what he did... I know what you mean... It's sad but I'm use to stuff happening and I always send my best to the people affected but for whatever reason this got to me more... Maybe seeing the innocence of my 15 month old or my 7 yr old so excited about staying at school to participate in after school activities just makes me feel for those parents.. It could be any of us with children in their shoes and that's scary..




Gmash said:
Some reports say the killer was autistic. Don't know how severe or if that was a factor, but with some forms of autism, people don't feel empathy for others. The guns belonged to his mother, including an assault rifle. Seems kind of odd.
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It is odd we might not ever know what exactly was wrong with with their family... But it's hard for me even remotely sympathize because I have an autistic that is my age and I've been around them all my life... And they are the sweetest and in my opinion smartest people I've been fortunate to be around.. Not once have I seen anything to make me think otherwise... But I understand theirs different cases... But I'll never understand this... And no matter what the case is
 
edgeez25 said:
Yea that made it that much worse... I can't fathom what those innocent kids ever do to deserve what he did... I know what you mean... It's sad but I'm use to stuff happening and I always send my best to the people affected but for whatever reason this got to me more... Maybe seeing the innocence of my 15 month old or my 7 yr old so excited about staying at school to participate in after school activities just makes me feel for those parents.. It could be any of us with children in their shoes and that's scary..






It is odd we might not ever know what exactly was wrong with with their family... But it's hard for me even remotely sympathize because I have an autistic that is my age and I've been around them all my life... And they are the sweetest and in my opinion smartest people I've been fortunate to be around.. Not once have I seen anything to make me think otherwise... But I understand theirs different cases... But I'll never understand this... And no matter what the case is
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There is a wide spectrum of conditions that get put under the umbrella of autism. However, I haven't seen them mention it lately, so it might have been one of those early reports that turns out to be inaccurate.
 
Gmash said:
There is a wide spectrum of conditions that get put under the umbrella of autism. However, I haven't seen them mention it lately, so it might have been one of those early reports that turns out to be inaccurate.
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Yea I know brother.. I think I'm just so upset about the situation that I'm just using the experiences in my life... I'm not the type of person who just judges without knowing as much info as possible... And however this just is so upsetting.. And even one child is un excusable let alone 20...
 
Of course now it will be the "guns" fault and all guns should be outlawed because guns go around doing this stuff on their own. They should blame spoons for people being fat if they follow the same premise.

What disturbs me the most is that this kid used 2 hand guns. Meaning he had to aim at EACH one of those kids one by one and shoot them. Unlike using an AK or something of that nature where you can just "spray" and take everyone out in 2 seconds. He went up to each kid and shot them. You cant get much more sadistic than that. And to intentionally leave his house to go to the school to do this? What set him off?

He obviously had something wrong with him mentally but I'm trying to figure out what would have set this all in motion. At first I thought well maybe he was angry with the school but he shot his mother. Then I thought well he and his mom must have gotten into a fight but how does the school come into play with said fight. Could he have thought his mom loved the kids more than him? Ah ha......Possible. Someone that is this deranged can easily have mental thoughts like this from which they act on them.

I've always been obsessed, eh not obsessed but intrigued, with the minds of people that do catastrophic things such as this. Their thought process and what is actually going on in their mind and then I try to put myself in their situation and play the events out in my own mind in hopes of some understanding. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold is a perfect example. The football player that killed his gf and then drove to the stadium and killed himself in front of the GM and coach is a really good example. What was going on in his head as he was driving? How awful did he feel moments before he took his own life? Did he even feel awful? But not only killers but people with Alzheimers intrigue me as well. Like what does if feel like to wake up everyday and everything seem brand new to you? People you've known your whole life, your kids, brothers and sisters all look like strangers. It just amazes me that this actually happens in a persons mind. It's something I hope I never have to deal with first hand. But things like that fascinate me in that most of us don't know what those feelings and emotions will ever feel like. And if some of us do, do we actually realize it? Does an insane person realize that they are crazy?

Y'all prolly think I'm crazy now. Haha


Thoughts go out to all those families. No one can imagine what they are feeling right now. So sad.
 
I think about stuff like that too Fuzzy... It's that ever ending why?? And your absolutely right he went with intention to hurt those kids... He went there and aimed at every single kid not an innocent bystander... They where the target and that's absolutely terrifying... My only theory is that like most good teachers she devoted her time to her students and for whatever reason he felt the need to hurt... And whatever his reason was those kids didn't deserve that.... Sometimes it feels like total anarchy... And scary to think I'm raising my kids making them believe that going to school is good for them just like all those parents I'm sure told their children... How do I as a parent explain why things like this happen to a child
 
I have neither children or weapons, so my words may be unwelcome here, but...

I think it’s a given that if a lot more responsible people were armed, this kind of atrocity would never happen, or it would at least get nipped in the bud. I also think that gun control will never work, especially with what’s available online. If every single gun could be destroyed, that’d be one thing, but it could never happen. So the good have to be armed to protect themselves from the bad... the wild west never really went away.
 
edgeez25 said:
Yea sadly we are always left with the why?... What bothers me the most is people start throwing out the word Crazy...i don't buy that... a crazy person has no idea what they are doing he was sane enough to go to his mother's classroom and take away so many precious lives... What is even more disturbing is that at first I was under the impression that he went looking for his mom... but he had already killed her at home so he specifically went there to attack those poor little angels.... It's hard to explain to my daughter why school is a good place when shit like this happens...
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Crazy is a good word. Perhaps not technically accurate, but it is a word we understand. Fact is, even though the gunman might not be technically crazy, he certainly was nuts. Perhaps insane.

Not sure non-crazy people do such things. But I am not an analyst and perhaps non-crazy people do mow down little children in a classroom.

I'll stick with friggin loopy nut bar out of his mind bat freak insane.

We will likely never know if he was crazy but I can tell you this: he was friggin crazy insane.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Crazy is a good word. Perhaps not technically accurate, but it is a word we understand. Fact is, even though the gunman might not be technically crazy, he certainly was nuts. Perhaps insane.

Not sure non-crazy people do such things. But I am not an analyst and perhaps non-crazy people do mow down little children in a classroom.

I'll stick with friggin loopy nut bar out of his mind bat freak insane.

We will likely never know if he was crazy but I can tell you this: he was friggin crazy insane.
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Yea I agree he was a special kinda nutty ...but what I mean when people use crazy as an excuse... Like crazy made him not know what he was doing..I guess you really gotta be heartless to see a child and take their life away let alone 20...
 
edgeez25 said:
Yea I agree he was a special kinda nutty ...but what I mean when people use crazy as an excuse... Like crazy made him not know what he was doing..I guess you really gotta be heartless to see a child and take their life away let alone 20...
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I believe when you use "crazy" as an excuse in court, you are tested. Hopefully by people who are less crazy than the person being tested.

I think even paid killers are somewhat crazy. There are better terms like sociopath. People do not kill if they are not crazy, even if they do so for money.

Heartless fits. Seems to me it is not a great term; it diminishes the act to some degree. Perhaps those that do these terrible things think their act is not crazy, but needed and logical.

But what do I know, I am not the SME here.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Well, that is the theory.

We assume a school filled with gun toting protectors would stop such things. If it did, good. But do we know? Evidence suggest that if a bad guy knows you are armed, he might move on to someone else.

Can a parent "kill" a child? Is there something about kids that would cause a moment of doubt? Drawing and firing on a child is different than drawing and firing on someone that looks like a bad person.

Not sure local laws allow armed people on school grounds. Not sure if those carrying will actually shoot. Perhaps several people start shooting and an innocent is caught in the crossfire. Perhaps a teacher leaves his gun lying about and some kid near the edge of the mental precipice decides "here is my chance."

If teachers are armed, I KNOW there will be a moment of forgetfulness and something bad will happen. This is a simple fact. We let everyone carry and eventually there will be a problem. And I am ABSOLUTELY NOT saying no more guns or concealed carry permits. I will go so far as to suggest we need to eliminate most gun laws and introduce instant checks and let the 7-11 sell ammo along with bad coffee and stale donuts.

I just know more guns increases potential for problems. Look at how many people are killed with "unloaded" weapons in this country.

I am a tough guy. Very little scares me. About all that DOES scare me is when grandma gets upset and gets out her wooden spoon. Worse than any gun, that spoon wielding granny. And the IRS.

I think I know what I might do if armed and something like that happened. Would I shoot? Am I capable of shooting? Easy to say yes, but I have never been in that situation; I've never pulled a gun except on rabbits and deer that I know for a fact they would kill me if given half a chance, so it is better them than Bob.

I have never faced the fact that either me or he will die today. Untill you do face problems and you draw, you are lying if you say you know what you will do. Not you personally, Jeff, but most people just do not know.

Not sure what a bunch of people carrying guns would have accomplished in that sad room filled with kids. Or perhaps arming teachers is a good idea and I am filled with beans.

I think this event will repeat again and again. We will be asking what happend and why it happened decades from now. Only one proposal will help and that is making guns illegal and making manufacturing any ammo illegal. Take all guns away.

And when we do, people will still get guns and kids will still die and we will still be asking why.
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You are correct. We can never know what to do in these situations until we are actually in them. We can say what we want but you just dont know until it happens. I was robbed at gun point once when I was a manager at a concrete plant. Unfortunately my gun was in my car and not in the office with me as it was a Saturday and we were usually not all that busy on Saturdays. Thankfully no one was hurt BUT it happened so fast that I really don't think if I had my gun in the office if it would have made a difference. Perhaps made the situation a lot worse. But you don't know the outcome while its actually happening so obviously NOT having the gun with me was a good thing because the guy took the money and left. 10 seconds and it was over.

Instead of liberals wasting time looking at ways to ban guns, we should look at ways to protect our kids inside of schools. Metal detectors and or security at the front doors. Every high school in my area has an on duty cop and some have metal detectors. Just because it's an elementary school doesnt change the fact that anyone can walk right in. The age of the kids doesn't matter. How was this kid able to just walk into a school with 2 hand guns? THAT'S the problem we should be looking at. Not guns themselves.
 
Gun control would not have helped this situation, the killers mother, who was the first to die legally owned the 5 weapons that were used in this atrocity. I live less than 30 minutes from Newtown and considering it's relative proximity to Ct's largest and most crime ridden city of Bridgeport it's like night and day. One of the residents said on television that when a deer gets hit it makes the weekly paper. As a parent this nightmare has left me angered, scared, confused but mostly just overwhelmingly sad.
 
Fuzzy13 said:
Of course now it will be the "guns" fault and all guns should be outlawed because guns go around doing this stuff on their own. They should blame spoons for people being fat if they follow the same premise.
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Yesterday, some government wanker--i forget the name--hinted that (paraphrase) "we need to take a look at some of out freedoms and decide if we want gun access."

Or words to that effect.

It is not what he flat out said as much as what he hinted at. It is what might happen or what this fool thinks should happen. Let's face it . . . many hate guns and want them gone and they do not care how it happens.

Basic paraphrase and perhaps just an innocent comment made in light of what happened yesterday, but it suggests something far more frightening that kids being killed.

You can all hate me for saying this but these poor kids dying is terrible to be sure, but a gun ban sans a change in the Constitution would be a far more terrible "crime." And it would be easy to eliminate guns and ammo without violating the constitution.

If SCOTUS fills with liberals they can refuse to hear the case or make a ruling that helps gun owners. After all, they can do whatever they want and they cannot be fired.

Guns will be blamed. Be sure of that. Obama is safe so he can do whatever he wants. I hope he remembers a little something about the Constitution.

As I type this, I am listening to the radio and I just listened to a report about anther kid planning to fire a gun and plant a bomb in a school auditorium.
 
Guys, can we keep the gun control and legal discussion (and probably the mental health aspect, too) in this thread in Politics and Current Affairs please? Let's limit this thread to expressing our feelings about the tragedy and sending our sympathies and condolences to the friends and families of the victims.

Thanks.
 
I personally can see everybody in here has great points and I can read every comment and understand where everybody is coming from... Fact is we are different in many ways but we can all agree that this should not happen specially to innocent children... Reality is that this happened before and will happen again...what really gets me is that normally young children end up being innocent bystanders when some jackass goes looking for somebody... And but in this case seems to me they where the actual target this time... Has it happened before? I'm sure it has.. But this time I'm a father and fact is one day I could possibly send my child to school and it's a possibility that this could happen... And this made it such a reality to me...



Like i said I think a lot of good points have been brought up... My only intention was to send my condolences and prayers to all those affected by this... Because I am a father and can't imagine and hope I never have to feel what they are feeling
 
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