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Boston bombings; post-arrest non-political discussion

I share the same type of relief that they finally captured the suspect, but I can not stop thinking that FBI and other law enforcement agencies did the best job to capture the suspect.

1. They knew where suspects have been living and making explosives more than 12 hours before the capture. Police probably had suspect's stuff and clothing. Why wasn't there a single Bloodhound dogs on the scene? Watertown is only 4.2sq miles and a few manhunt dogs could have found the suspect without any issues in no time.

2. They had an army of cops in a tiny town, and no one bothered to check such an open seen hiding spot as ship parked at the driveway. Again Watertown is only 4.2sq miles big, (compared to Brooklyn, NY its is 97sq miles) they even narrowed the search to much smaller area and still none bothered to check it earlier. (It was mentioned in the news that boat wasn't far from previous night shoot out where suspect no. 1 was killed)

3. They had a helicopter with device that could see throuth the ship with infrared camera ( according to the news thats the way they found that someone was inside that boat). It seems like no one bothered to use it properly during the day light.

I greatful for the job law enforcement did, but come on. 19 year old bleeding kid in a boat, hide from an army of cops in a tiny neighborhood for more than 12 hours and the one who found him were not even law enforcement.
 
MoodyBlues said:
Their father says "someone framed them." That must explain why their PICTURES were so clear at the marathon site...

Let's keep this non-political, okay? I think that's appropriate for this thread, too.
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For god's sake, fathers are supposed to say his kids are innocent and the fact that he was photographed in Boston means what, exactly? We must wait for the truth to arrive and the evidence must be allowed to speak.
 
unnamedny said:
I share the same type of relief that they finally captured the suspect, but I can not stop thinking that FBI and other law enforcement agencies did the best job to capture the suspect.

1. They knew where suspects have been living and making explosives more than 12 hours before the capture. Police probably had suspect's stuff and clothing. Why wasn't there a single Bloodhound dogs on the scene? Watertown is only 4.2sq miles and a few manhunt dogs could have found the suspect without any issues in no time.

2. They had an army of cops in a tiny town, and no one bothered to check such an open seen hiding spot as ship parked at the driveway. Again Watertown is only 4.2sq miles big, (compared to Brooklyn, NY its is 97sq miles) they even narrowed the search to much smaller area and still none bothered to check it earlier. (It was mentioned in the news that boat wasn't far from previous night shoot out where suspect no. 1 was killed)

3. They had a helicopter with device that could see throuth the ship with infrared camera ( according to the news thats the way they found that someone was inside that boat). It seems like no one bothered to use it properly during the day light.

I greatful for the job law enforcement did, but come on. 19 year old bleeding kid in a boat, hide from an army of cops in a tiny neighborhood for more than 12 hours and the one who found him were not even law enforcement.
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I wasn't involved in this at all, but the fact that our police went from having 2 bombs explode with 0 suspects and probably thousands of GB of video and photos to go through and ended up with the threats being neutralized one way or another in 5 days is amazing.

There were reports of them using bomb sniffing dogs throughout the search in watertown. There's also a river right near the town, which would have made a reliance of tracking hounds on his scent pretty fruitless.

The boat was a block outside of the area they determined he was in. They had his blood in many places inside of the target zone they had setup, and didn't have much reason to think he had gotten outside of the perimeter. The fact that they were that close is amazing.

Anything that gives off heat is going to light up like a Christmas tree with that infrared camera. To say they should have found one heat signature in a sea of heat signatures sooner is asking a little much.

It's easy to say they should have done this or that differently, but if you were in charge can you you would have really done anything different?

Remember, this is an ongoing investigation, we likely won't be presented with all of the facts the fbi and local police were working with for at least a few months. There's likely pieces of information they had that we don't, and I'm sure they acted based on the information they had.
 
Gmash said:
So, they've decided to take away the rights of an American citizen by not reading him his Miranda rights or allowing him access to an attorney. Not only is this wrong for obvious reasons, but is unnecessary and an unneeded distraction from the horrific crimes that have been committed. This would have been wrong under Bush, and its wrong now. Hopefully the Obama administration will come to its senses and drop the "enemy combatant" nonsense. The federal courts can convict this idiot with no problem. If this is allowed to stand it sets a terrible precedent for those of us who care about our rights.
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If you'd like to discuss that further, please feel free to do so in our PC&A forum, thanks!
 
It seems to me that they wouldn't have been found anything like so easily if they hadn't decided to pull an armed robbery the day after they bombed the marathon. They could have disappeared.

Mind you, wearing a conspicuous white cap was also pretty stupid unless he wanted to be caught.
 
davoid said:
It seems to me that they wouldn't have been found anything like so easily if they hadn't decided to pull an armed robbery the day after they bombed the marathon. They could have disappeared.

Mind you, wearing a conspicuous white cap was also pretty stupid unless he wanted to be caught.
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I read that it wasn't them that tried to rob the 7/11 store! ?
 
sntaylor said:
I read that it wasn't them that tried to rob the 7/11 store! ?
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That and the news that the younger brother returned to college (UMass Dartmouth) for the days in between and was seen partying and acting like nothing happened. Even his room mates had no idea.
Obviously, will be getting more details in the days to come....
 
Saw a few reports today suggesting the suspects neck gunshot wounds may have been self inflicted before capture.

Speculation at best at this point, but interesting nontheless
 
I've changed the thread's subject since the arrest is old news now. :)

I see that Boston is attempting to get back to normal now, enjoying various sports events and such. Must be an awesome relief after the hell and chaos of the last week.
 
MoodyBlues said:
I've changed the thread's subject since the arrest is old news now. :)

I see that Boston is attempting to get back to normal now, enjoying various sports events and such. Must be an awesome relief after the hell and chaos of the last week.
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the boston redsox game was a great ceremony. but a few nights ago, the boston bruins game gave me goose bumps as the singer was singing the national anthem and then all of a sudden the crowd sang along.....such a great moment....i wish i was there.

 
ocnbrze said:
the boston redsox game was a great ceremony. but a few nights ago, the boston bruins game gave me goose bumps as the singer was singing the national anthem and then all of a sudden the crowd sang along.....such a great moment....i wish i was there.

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That was amazing. Thanks for sharing!
 
MoodyBlues said:
I guess you didn't see the same pictures I did--you know, the ones that show the brothers leaving the backpacks at the scene. The backpacks that exploded.
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Not sure what to think at this point. Lots of people with backpacks walking around these days. This AM, I saw someone set down a backpack at my train stop. Had that stop exploded, what do I assume? That the person I saw was responsible. So the police are called, I describe the man and he is suddenly sought by several agencies and a city full of ticked off people.

I think even a horrid bomber deserves the benefit of the doubt; indeed, we assume innocence until proven guilty and all that.

Plenty of ways to read the scene. The folks in Boston crave closure and it would be a shame to let them down by rushing to judgment.

We need to wait until things calm down and we can evaluate the evidence. For now, I'll assume the government arrested the right person and I'll assume their evaluation of the evidence is solid.

I am sure those they suspected and caught (or the one, in this case) are those that did this terrible thing to Boston.

That said (I am not following the case so I could be wrong on a few points) I know the government wanted an arrest ASAP as did the people in Boston. When they caught the second perp, I can only hope he ran because he was guilty and not because he thought a gang of angry Bostonians wanted his head.

Lots of people released from jail based on new evidence like DNA. These days, nothing we see should be taken at face value.

I am sad for Boston and I am glad the ordeal is over. And I feel sorry for the next city hit with such tragedy. There will be, sadly, another bomb in another city. Such is the "problem" with a free country.
 
Not sure what to think at this point. Lots of people with backpacks walking around these days. This AM, I saw someone set down a backpack at my train stop. Had that stop exploded, what do I assume? That the person I saw was responsible. So the police are called, I describe the man and he is suddenly sought by several agencies and a city full of ticked off people.
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If the BACKPACK exploded and blew up the stop, yes, you'd be pretty safe in assuming he was responsible. If the STOP exploded, but nowhere near the backpack, and/or the backpack was found intact and clearly not involved, then, no.

I think even a horrid bomber deserves the benefit of the doubt; indeed, we assume innocence until proven guilty and all that.
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I absolutely agree 100%. But when the facts are as clear as they've been in this case--everything from the pre-explosion videos/photos to the behavior of the brothers post-explosion (gunfight with police, throwing explosives at police, etc.)--I don't think anyone's jumping to any incorrect conclusions. I still expect the remaining suspect to get a fair trial, and I'll be very disappointed if that doesn't happen.
 
I'm sure there are many tales of individuals helping in the immediate aftermath of the bombings, but I read about this one and thought I'd share. A physician had just finished running the marathon--with a broken foot!--when the explosions happened. She and her father, also a physician, went to aid some of the injured. I find this story very heartwarming.

latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-pediatrician-trauma-20130422,0,689898.story

For Boston pediatrician, trauma waited at the end of her race. Dr. Natalie Stavas was just completing the marathon when she heard the blasts and sprinted toward the wounded. The victims she treated still haunt her.

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Los Angeles Times

6:00 PM PDT, April 21, 2013

BOSTON
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Can't help but remember that Boston was a major fundraiser for the IRA via NORAID during the 70's and 80's. I know what happened to those people is terrible, it really is, but what goes around comes around.
 
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MoodyBlues[/URL];5758268]I guess you didn't see the same pictures I did--you know, the ones that show the brothers leaving the backpacks at the scene. The backpacks that exploded.
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Let me relate a personal story.

Remember the LDS/Church/document fraud/Mark Hoffman bombings? I mention them here because they point to problems with evidence and "evidence."

You will likely find the articles in the Deseret News/Tribune archives.

In our family car was everything needed to make bombs like those Hoffman was said to have used. In dad's office were many of the required items as well. At home were books about explosives.

Finally, my father's office was in the same building (Judge building) that Christensen was blown up in and my father spent time on the same floor. He was there when the bombing occurred and dad no alibi.

Had the authorities investigated my father, they would have discovered many things that could link him to the events of that terrible day. The press could hang him just based on the facts.

It is because of things like this, that I tend to wait until the facts of the case are in.

Second thing: some time ago, my grandmothers house became the center of an investigation covered by all local TV stations; a few radio stations, both local newspapers, the fire department and police bomb squad. The reason was a garage filled with explosive materials that scared the FD in all directions. Well, explosive, for the most part, after mixing.

Lots of materials with glassware dad used as a kid, when he was interested in minerals and assay work.

Had my father been the focus--for whatever odd reason and some measure of bad luck-- what would the press say about dear old father? Same office, in the building at the same time, time spent on the same floor, past experiences and investigations with explosives and a car/office full of parts that could be used to make a bomb.

Again, I prefer to wait even though I think the government has it right this time.
 
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