Official EVO Rumors and Speculation thread

[dylan88]

haters gonna hate...

anyways, I'm pulling an allnighter with some friends (not the smartest thing to do with an 8:00 tee-time) but I've been reading and I just want to say thank you jackson for keeping us updated again. I seriously can't wait for the evo any longer. And all the people who are freaking out and bitching and moaning over stuff can just leave. And when the evo comes out we can all be happy.

/rant/2cents

 

[ajac09]

haters gonna hate...

anyways, I'm pulling an allnighter with some friends (not the smartest thing to do with an 8:00 tee-time) but I've been reading and I just want to say thank you jackson for keeping us updated again. I seriously can't wait for the evo any longer. And all the people who are freaking out and bitching and moaning over stuff can just leave. And when the evo comes out we can all be happy.

/rant/2cents

and just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a hater they have a different opinion of things. and I wont change my mind on what I think becasue a small minority of the population doesn't agree. if I am wrong i am wrong not the end of the world either way.

 

[mogulust]

I really wish there was a filter that would allow me to block certain people's posts in this thread from appearing on my end. It's pretty obvious that some people just want to write something negative or combative about everything they see an opportunity to react to. And with the lack of real new news to discuss there is some pretty mindless back and forth chatter that looks like a sprintusers.com chat room.

Oh well, it is what it is, and even this post is pointless and off topic. I just wanted to say I don't approve of how this is turning out and I wish I could block certain people. Thanks to Jackson and all the original regulars who continue to contribute, you make it worthwhile to continue to keep up with this thread.

[end rant]

 

[GoldenStatePanda]

but I just want to post this vid cause around the 2:32 mark he says they are working on a video app : YouTube - HTC EVO 4G on Sprint (Hands-On) .
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it sounds like they're NOT working on a video app because he goes on to say something like "but it's an open platform" meaning someone else would be able to make one.

 

[twospirits]

I really wish there was a filter that would allow me to block certain people's posts in this thread from appearing on my end. It's pretty obvious that some people just want to write something negative or combative about everything they see an opportunity to react to. And with the lack of real new news to discuss there is some pretty mindless back and forth chatter that looks like a sprintusers.com chat room.

Oh well, it is what it is, and even this post is pointless and off topic. I just wanted to say I don't approve of how this is turning out and I wish I could block certain people. Thanks to Jackson and all the original regulars who continue to contribute, you make it worthwhile to continue to keep up with this thread.

[end rant]

While it true that some will continue to write something negative regardless of the facts presented, the bottom line is that they can and will until Sprint/HTC/Google gives us solid proof of all the stuff we would like for them to give us.
Personally I think its fruitless trying to downplay what has been mentioned previously by Supersonical, Self Praise and BillMeds, but thats me. So far nothing they have said is wrong. All have gotten their info from close friends/insiders and as such are bound to be wrong, but so far everything is consistent. Its not their fault that the higher ups in Sprint decide to change a few things. But until the phone is actually in the stores to be sold to the general public, we will continue to see those that disprove the tidbits of information coming our way.

TS

 

[kritzell]

Kritzell how were you able to upgrade early ?

I haven't upgraded yet. But I am a premiere custmer u know where u can upgrade yearly..which I am glad and I do have the simply everything plan. Woot! LOL But as soon as the evo drops I am praying and hoping I have the money to buy it. I have a gift card to use already for best buy. That will save me $25.00 plus $75 with the upgrade soo what about $100 right there.. Sweet.

 

[MauiDude]

Hey guys (and gal) I hope I too much of a nuisance earlier. I just couldn't take all that negative talk. I'll try my best to ignore stuff like that from now on.

On a different note Sharp makes a new touchscreen. Forgot what they call it but they conjoined the digitizer directly to the LCD/LED ?so that theres no airspace between the 2. It makes for a brighter higher contrast screen. I'll try to find a link.

 

[JinCA]

it sounds like they're NOT working on a video app because he goes on to say something like "but it's an open platform" meaning someone else would be able to make one.

That's what several people said at CTIA, they all said "someone could come up with one" meaning they weren't doing it, at least not at the time.

 

[twospirits]

Hey guys (and gal) I hope I too much of a nuisance earlier. I just couldn't take all that negative talk. I'll try my best to ignore stuff like that from now on.

On a different note Sharp makes a new touchscreen. Forgot what they call it but they conjoined the digitizer directly to the LCD/LED ?so that theres no airspace between the 2. It makes for a brighter higher contrast screen. I'll try to find a link.

Looking forward to the link.

TS out

 

[JinCA]

I have a question for those that know, if something was to pass FCC wouldn't it have to be a final working model? how can they pass a piece of technology that isn't properly functioning yet? doesn't it have to be a retail ready version to pass? I ask this not to cause a fight but because I don't know. I've read over and over how they are still working out the bugs on android 2.1 for the 4g apps, so how could the phone have passed if it's not complete yet? doesn't passing the fcc mean it's content complete and fully functional? or is it just a technical thing that they say what bands it will work on and that's it? again this isn't mean to call anyone out or anything I'm just curious if anyone knows what passing through fcc really means and if so could they explain it.

 

[MauiDude]

Hmmmm, maybe the EVO at CTIA we saw isn't the final one that got passed by the FCC? If it was the same one then it would have to be the one heading to market I think.

I can't find that Sharp Screen story!! dammit!

 

[adolan]

And it could have passed through the FCC after CTIA ad after changes were made ... just sayin'

 

[twospirits]

Good question, and from what I have read, it seems that the FCC is just concerned about the frequencies and radiation omitted from the device. But I could be wrong (any FCC tech guys can correct me). Besides, the FCC can also get amended documents from the Grantor to amend/update the documents pertaining tho the device.

TS

 

[MauiDude]

Ya know, Just thinking about the screen size...I wonder if we're gonna have app screensize problems. Like Slacker radio doesn't fit on my TP screen. I can use it but buttons on the bottom are missing cause my screen is too short. It works though! Just can't skip and stuff.

 

[kritzell]

Good question, and from what I have read, it seems that the FCC is just concerned about the frequencies and radiation omitted from the device. But I could be wrong (any FCC tech guys can correct me). Besides, the FCC can also get amended documents from the Grantor to amend/update the documents pertaining tho the device.

TS

TS I hope you had a nice b-day. I also hope everyone has a great weekend. I am still new to the forum and I like it here. Can't wait to get my evo LOL

 

[LatinP]

Good question, and from what I have read, it seems that the FCC is just concerned about the frequencies and radiation omitted from the device. But I could be wrong (any FCC tech guys can correct me). Besides, the FCC can also get amended documents from the Grantor to amend/update the documents pertaining tho the device.

TS

Bingo! He hit the nail on the head. When you submit a device you can have it's submission be kept private for competitive reasons. So your device can be silently approved and you won't hear about it until the person who submitted it tells the FCC to release that information publicly.

For instance I'm pretty sure the iPhone (just an example) has already passed FCC inspection do you really think Apple would want the FCC to release the approval publicly with it's full spec sheet to the public and worse it's competitors before the phone is due to be released? If they did HTC could easily see what they've done to the device to improve it pull back the Evo (for example) make some changes to compete with that new feature and release before the iPhone thus crushing all the time and money that went into development of said new feature.

 

[twospirits]

Bingo! He hit the nail on the head. When you submit a device you can have it's submission be kept private for competitive reasons. So your device can be silently approved and you won't hear about it until the person who submitted it tells the FCC to release that information publicly.

For instance I'm pretty sure the iPhone (just an example) has already passed FCC inspection do you really think Apple would want the FCC to release the approval publicly with it's full spec sheet to the public and worse it's competitors before the phone is due to be released? If they did HTC could easily see what they've done to the device to improve it pull back the Evo (for example) make some changes to compete with that new feature and release before the iPhone thus crushing all the time and money that went into development of said new feature.

And vice versa. Some manufacturers devices wouldn't care, but some like Apple with their iPhone and HTC with their first 4G USA phone will want to restrict the FCC to show off the info that the documents may show to their competitors.

Trust me I check the FCC twice a day on anything HTC and PC36100 but nothing and I wouldn't expect anything less but I still try.

TS out

 

[JinCA]

And it could have passed through the FCC after CTIA ad after changes were made ... just sayin'

CTIA was only a few weeks ago that's why I was asking, the phone wasn't ready at CTIA for release yet it passed FCC between then and now. That's why I wanted to know if a phone actually had to be done to pass FCC so they could know what the final product was supposed to be to pass it.

 

[dylan88]

well either way it will be out soon. like i said earlier, i just hope sprint, htc, and google have double checked and checked again every aspect of the phone to be sure there is no flaws. i know htc has proven itself but every device has it's issues.

 

[reallynotnick]

I haven't upgraded yet. But I am a premiere custmer u know where u can upgrade yearly..which I am glad and I do have the simply everything plan. Woot! LOL But as soon as the evo drops I am praying and hoping I have the money to buy it. I have a gift card to use already for best buy. That will save me $25.00 plus $75 with the upgrade soo what about $100 right there.. Sweet.

I'm confused you have a $25 gift card? What is this extra $75 you are talking about? If you are within your upgrade period you should get the phone for the same cost as all new customers which is rumored to be $200-$250.

Ya know, Just thinking about the screen size...I wonder if we're gonna have app screensize problems. Like Slacker radio doesn't fit on my TP screen. I can use it but buttons on the bottom are missing cause my screen is too short. It works though! Just can't skip and stuff.

Well the N1, Desire and Incredible all have the same resolution and the Droid has only slightly higher by I believe 48 pixels the long way. Plus considering the phones are higher resolution than other Android phones nothing would be cut off, I guess it could be shrunk (I'm not familiar with how everything Android works).

 

[mogulust]

Good question, and from what I have read, it seems that the FCC is just concerned about the frequencies and radiation omitted from the device. But I could be wrong (any FCC tech guys can correct me). Besides, the FCC can also get amended documents from the Grantor to amend/update the documents pertaining tho the device.

TS

I don't pretend to be an expert on fcc filings and testing, but I just looked at a recent fcc report for the HTC Legend, and I noticed some interesting things. First of all, for this device it appears that htc had their testing done by an approved 3rd party, "atl, a test lab techno corp" in taiwan. That testing report was finished on Jan 28th, but the finished report was submitted to the fcc on Feb 12th, and then approved and made available to the public by the fcc on Feb 22. So this makes me think the testing for the evo could be done, but they will wait to submit their report to the fcc until they're ready for the public to see it, or that it's submitted to the fcc already but pending public release.

HTC did include a confidentiality request letter with their Legend testing saying they want the external/internal photos, test setup photos, and user safety guide withheld from the public for 180 days, but it says they understand that the fcc label and test results can't be included in that confidentiality request, so it sounds like there's a limit to what they can delay the release of.

I saw nothing in the reports saying anything about the ram/rom specs or screen type, so considering that jackson's info about possible changes from the ctia demo models don't change anything about the performance of the wimax/cellular/wifi/bluetooth/fm radios in the device, it seems possible to me they could do the tests then change other details afterward that don't affect the radios.

Anyway, here are the links, check it out for yourself, it's pretty interesting:

All Legend fcc docs: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...e=N&application_id=164493&fcc_id='NM8PB76100'

Full test report: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1241568&native_or_pdf=pdf

 

[drexappeal]

and just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a hater they have a different opinion of things. and I wont change my mind on what I think becasue a small minority of the population doesn't agree. if I am wrong i am wrong not the end of the world either way.

ajac, there's no need to defend your position. I think you've made it plainly clear that you believe what has been reported as "official," and that's all you'll believe until the release date. That's fine. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

My problem is with your approach. I've read all your back and forths with Jackson and the ONE thing I can tell you that I know for a fact is that Jackson has a legitimate "informant" and obviously, you don't have one because you are going based on what has been "formally" reported and that's all you choose to go with.

How do I know that Jackson has a legitimate informant? He gave me FULL confirmation, via pm, that two main locations of the corporation I work for will be receiving the EVO's before general release. These two main locations have nicknames for each facility. He gave me the nicknames, NOT the addresses, which is information that ONLY people that work for my company would know. But, as I said, you have every right to stick to believing with what's been reported. You could even be skeptical about what I'm telling you and that's fine and dandy. But that doesn't mean that there may not be FACTS that aren't reported that the general public would not know about.

I saw that you asked if anybody had seen an EVO commercial, so I'm reposting this for you, since it was posted a few pages back:
YouTube - _HTC_EVO_4G_

Notice at the end, there's small print saying "Device Features Subject To Change"

 

[cary328is]

I have a question for those that know, if something was to pass FCC wouldn't it have to be a final working model? how can they pass a piece of technology that isn't properly functioning yet? doesn't it have to be a retail ready version to pass? I ask this not to cause a fight but because I don't know. I've read over and over how they are still working out the bugs on android 2.1 for the 4g apps, so how could the phone have passed if it's not complete yet? doesn't passing the fcc mean it's content complete and fully functional? or is it just a technical thing that they say what bands it will work on and that's it? again this isn't mean to call anyone out or anything I'm just curious if anyone knows what passing through fcc really means and if so could they explain it.

From my own personal experience as an electrical engineer who has gone through the FCC certification process with video products years ago, I can tell you this simply...

1. FCC certification just means that your product complies with Federal regulated standards for communications and does not emit frequencies or electrical "noise" that interferes with the operating frequencies of other products or devices. The European equivalent version is "CE"

2. Your device doesn't have to be "fully functional" as far as being able to certify it for FCC. They don't care if your system is not consumer ready as long as you can prove that the device or system DOES NOT emit electrical noise or interference during its normal operation. It is ideal, however, to have a (what we used to call) a "gold" unit which is most electrically shielded and as operational as possible to operate at a minimal state.

3. At conventions, shows, etc you can display and demonstrate products that aren't FCC certified yet as long as you DO NOT sell them to the public. Consumer ready products MUST be FCC compliant.


Ok in the case of the EVO, it CAN pass FCC if:

1. The radios at all stated operating frequencies are within the accepted operating range as defined by the FCC for Wifi b/g, EVDO, and 4G.

2. The other components for cell phone operation are within CDMA frequency standards etc etc

3. None of the applications push the components within the device to operate in a manner that emit interference or electrical noise.

I hope this clarifies your question. The device as far as apps and all functionalities don't have to work or be consumer ready. Just that a testable device can prove that there are no interfering electrical noise that is emitted during normal use.

 

[BlueScreen]

Long time lurker, first time poster..I thought I was up to speed on the tech side of cellies!..I thought getting a Samsung Moment was a good choice (800mghz proc etc.) and while trying to get info on tethering my SM from this uber site. I checked out the EVO threads. (Thank Goodness!) and promptly excersised my right on the 30day Sprint return policy. (just under 3days whew!) That was March 18th and been eargly digesting all the juicy nuggets and painfully now back on a non-smartphone aka grasshopper provider (Cricket) I had 3weeks of goodness w/samsung moment and had to painfully return it, but you guys saved me two years of not being able to enjoy true technological greatness of EVO 4g. I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the great info and helpful insights.
<2/cents>
I am perfectly happy w/all the specs that sprint/HTC has provided thus far with respect to the EVO 4g just the way it is. I mean does this phone really not do anything we been asking for? I been in tech bussiness for longtime with a blue company that makes processors and it's been awhile since being this pumped about technology. I look forward to seeing the threads on EVO 4G tips and tricks when this beast hits the streets. Thanks again for saving me from a 2yr contract w/a inferrior cellie and to those that keep posting juicy tidbits you all know who you are..
Sincerly,
BSOD>-_0<

 

[JinCA]

From my own personal experience as an electrical engineer who has gone through the FCC certification process with video products years ago, I can tell you this simply...

1. FCC certification just means that your product complies with Federal regulated standards for communications and does not emit frequencies or electrical "noise" that interferes with the operating frequencies of other products or devices. The European equivalent version is "CE"

2. Your device doesn't have to be "fully functional" as far as being able to certify it for FCC. They don't care if your system is not consumer ready as long as you can prove that the device or system DOES NOT emit electrical noise or interference during its normal operation. It is ideal, however, to have a (what we used to call) a "gold" unit which is most electrically shielded and as operational as possible to operate at a minimal state.

3. At conventions, shows, etc you can display and demonstrate products that aren't FCC certified yet as long as you DO NOT sell them to the public. Consumer ready products MUST be FCC compliant.



Ok in the case of the EVO, it CAN pass FCC if:

1. The radios at all stated operating frequencies are within the accepted operating range as defined by the FCC for Wifi b/g, EVDO, and 4G.

2. The other components for cell phone operation are within CDMA frequency standards etc etc

3. None of the applications push the components within the device to operate in a manner that emit interference or electrical noise.

I hope this clarifies your question. The device as far as apps and all functionalities don't have to work or be consumer ready. Just that a testable device can prove that there are no interfering electrical noise that is emitted during normal use.

Thanks for your answer! When I was asking about it having to work to pass fcc I mainly meant that the phone was functional and that they could prove the final hardware indeed was able to meet all regulations, didn't really think the apps or anything would have anything to do with it because those are all software add ons.

The part that confuses me I guess is saying it doesn't have to be ready but you have to have a gold unit, is that basically a model that resembles a finished product so you know how much radiation and electiricty the final product will produce or use?