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Root Porting ClockWorkMod to the Kyocera Rise
- Thread starter cooldudezach
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dibblebill
Android Expert
I had my phone in December 2012, actually. Ditched it in March 2013, sold it for what I paid.
daffyducknj
Android Enthusiast
That's when I bought mine, too. Managed to brick mine at the end of September, then bought an Event to replace it. The Event actually runs better for me than the Rise ever did. It still has some of the same problems that I came across when using the Rise, like the facebook app crashing even when I'm not using it. I just link to the browser page of that site (using Chrome... could never get that to work on the Rise
) + a few other social media sites instead of using their apps. That saves a lot of system RAM in my case.Otherwise I actually don't miss the Rise anymore. I hope that the petition that one guy made about unlocking the boot loader of this phone, and similar models works out for the devs that want to make custom roms for these phones.
cooldudezach
Android Enthusiast
That makes sense. The update consists of an update to amss.mbn and the system files. If the amss was patched to have the locked bootloader, that sucks. We should try to get a copy of the pre 4.0.4 amss.mbn if that's the case.
cooldudezach
Android Enthusiast
I have an Event as well (not my daily driver, but it will be soon. My Rise is still my daily driver). I got it to test out the bootloader/fastboot stuff, and I love it. It's like a Rise/Hydro with more storage space. Since it doesn't have the waterproof stuff or the keyboard, it's pretty dang light too.That's when I bought mine, too. Managed to brick mine at the end of September, then bought an Event to replace it. The Event actually runs better for me than the Rise ever did. It still has some of the same problems that I came across when using the Rise, like the facebook app crashing even when I'm not using it. I just link to the browser page of that site (using Chrome... could never get that to work on the Rise
Otherwise I actually don't miss the Rise anymore. I hope that the petition that one guy made about unlocking the boot loader of this phone, and similar models works out for the devs that want to make custom roms for these phones.
cooldudezach
Android Enthusiast
Well even with the 'unlocked' bootloader, you still can't flash custom images, you can only temporarily boot them.
dibblebill
Android Expert
If you have Kyocera's signing key, sure. I don't think anyone does, though.
kman9637
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And this is why the C5156 is so different. It had to be heavily modded
And this is why the C5156 is so different. It had to be heavily modded
cooldudezach
Android Enthusiast
Where is it said that they don't have locked bootloaders? I couldn't find anything about it.
"We could either get it at the next spectrum auction, or buy you." I lol'd.
Also, it's not THAT different, at least software wise. Hardware, I'm not sure. The partition layout is almost identical, and the boot/recovery images work fine on other Rises.
kman9637
Well-Known Member
Probably should have been more clear. Out of experience, telus is ok with custom roms (they obviously havent requested them to be locked like PM did. Either way, they will probably roll an update for some reason, at least to the c5156
dtalley11
Member
Some of the rise images on my compilation page are from 4.0.3 based firmwares. Now I would't suggest flashing them to a different phone but it might have insight into how we maybe could inject the same unlock that was in the older firmwares.
Also, the carriers pretty much don't deal with the firmware, at least on a per-model level. They each have their own sometimes good but often bad mods for android (good being like the t mobile theming engine bad like bloat apps and backgrounds) but they don't really do much for the android sofware at all, and in the end, it's kyocera that loads the phone with the software, and it's kyocera that compiles the roms/kernels in the first place.
Why don't they just unlock the bootloader, I mean it would make them look like the good guys to the consumers and might sway their next purchasing decision? Because kyocera doesn't sell the phones to the consumer, that's Virgin Mobile/Sprint/PM's job. If they don't like the phone and it's software, it doesn't get put on that carrier (specifically the locked bootloaders but this is one of the reasons android phones don't usually have stock root methods in the first place as well, it's not new). So the manufacturers are sorta at the mercy of the carriers. Some big names, like Samsung and HTC have enough pull on the market that they can just unlock phones and the carrier can't do a ton about it... but smaller manufactures like kyocera don't have that luxury.
To customer support, unlocked phones is a no-no, to them it means putting a phone on the carrier that was not made for that carrier (e.g. flashing ESN). They often get confused when what you actually mean is unlocked bootloader, which is sorta something that the community dubbed it, like jailbreaking. But if they know that what you want is something beyond root, well that's also a no-no, cause you are not supposed to root your phone either.
If I was to pick who I would complain to, it would be kyocera no matter what their support techs tell you, it's a sad situation that they are in, but they are the only ones that really know whats needed to unlock the bootloader. And, as far as I know, I don't think you breached any contract you had with them (if any) by rooting the phone
Also, the carriers pretty much don't deal with the firmware, at least on a per-model level. They each have their own sometimes good but often bad mods for android (good being like the t mobile theming engine bad like bloat apps and backgrounds) but they don't really do much for the android sofware at all, and in the end, it's kyocera that loads the phone with the software, and it's kyocera that compiles the roms/kernels in the first place.
Why don't they just unlock the bootloader, I mean it would make them look like the good guys to the consumers and might sway their next purchasing decision? Because kyocera doesn't sell the phones to the consumer, that's Virgin Mobile/Sprint/PM's job. If they don't like the phone and it's software, it doesn't get put on that carrier (specifically the locked bootloaders but this is one of the reasons android phones don't usually have stock root methods in the first place as well, it's not new). So the manufacturers are sorta at the mercy of the carriers. Some big names, like Samsung and HTC have enough pull on the market that they can just unlock phones and the carrier can't do a ton about it... but smaller manufactures like kyocera don't have that luxury.
To customer support, unlocked phones is a no-no, to them it means putting a phone on the carrier that was not made for that carrier (e.g. flashing ESN). They often get confused when what you actually mean is unlocked bootloader, which is sorta something that the community dubbed it, like jailbreaking. But if they know that what you want is something beyond root, well that's also a no-no, cause you are not supposed to root your phone either.
If I was to pick who I would complain to, it would be kyocera no matter what their support techs tell you, it's a sad situation that they are in, but they are the only ones that really know whats needed to unlock the bootloader. And, as far as I know, I don't think you breached any contract you had with them (if any) by rooting the phone
dtalley11
Member
Well, I would say there is a better chance that it would brick than succeed. But there is still a chance either way, no real way of knowing unless you use DD to flash it, which I would NOT suggest doing. I would prefer to compare it with the newer firmware to see what changed, see if it's something simple or complex as it might give good insight for somebody looking to make an exploit for the device
aside from my post, i seen for some devices that theres a kernel built within the recovery. is it possible to build our recovery with a kernel? that could be why the custom recovery isnt booting. i seen other devs build a recovery for this phone. now it isnt booting for some unknown reason. could it be that it needs a kernel for it to boot up? call it a hunch but i think we might need to build a recovery with a kernel inside the recovery. it might be that itself.
cooldudezach
Android Enthusiast
That's not the problem. We DO have a recovery that boots, so long as the recovery can be 'unlocked'. Currently, only the Public Mobile and Sprint versions of the Rise are able to 'unlock' the bootloader. Keep in mind that it isn't a true unlock either. Also, the recovery does have a kernel in it.
thats good to hear. and thanks. well with virgin mobile rise its out of reach. do you think we can ask them to give us an update for fastboot to be enabled again. they dont care on root otherwise they'd done something about it by now. well lets say kyocera made virgin mobile send an update to disable that in our phones. can we find some way to undo the changes to these phones