Android is an Immature OS. Obvious functionality is missing.

[Deleted User]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA is that live or memorex?

This is my pic, I held it perfectly still as well
You can even see hair on my hand, which isnt even noticeable to naked eye
sorry dude, I just had to, I hope you can forgive me

 

[quentinfisher]

Fake Name well played, however everything outside of your hand, where the autofocus seems to be, comes out grainy or in general not on the same quality has your hand. Now try taking a picture of more than one hand, or better yet with multiple objects or perhaps even people. When more than one object in a picture, like a family photo for instance, or a room is involved is where the autofocus tends to fail.

Edit: You'll also notice there's a bit of a delay between when you hit the button to take a picture and when it actually takes it which I personally haven't experienced with any other phone but HTC's, causing you to have to hold the phone on the target till the picture shows up on the screen or it comes out extremely blurry, which again isn't the OS but something with the native camera or camera program HTC uses.

 

[dcdttu]

Here are the issues I am having:

1. Can't lock screen while in a call. Red button just hangs up the call.
2. Apps cannot be installed to sd card. Internal Phone Storage after a device wipe shows about 136MB free. I downloaded about 5 or 6 apps and the phone ran out of room. I deleted the apps, but the space was not reclaimed. This is why I had to reset the device. Now I am afraid to install apps without filling it up again.
3. Bluetooth does no always connect back to my headset. sometime I have to turn on/off bluetooth on phone. Sometimes I have to reboot phone. One time I installed Pandora and bluetooth would not work until I figured out that removing Pandora would fix it.
4. Camera is no good.
5. WIFI cannot connect to an N router running in mixed mode (a,b,g,n). You must "dumb" down the router to b,g mode in order to connect the phone. This means hat other users who have no issues with N have to suffer the reduced speed of b,g.
6. No way to "EXIT" an app to reclaim RAM.
7. KB not as accurate as the iphone.
8. I have disabled HTC Sense and it is still slow. For example, often when I load favorites, nothing displays for about 3-4 seconds. This is not acceptable.

1. Agreed - not that I hit any buttons while on calls, but it's a waist of battery.
2. I have no idea how you filled all of your space with 5 apps. You, sir, picked some big stuff!
3. haven't tried BT yet
4. Camera is good, but it's laggy and slow. If they sped it up, it would be just fine. they should have left it at 3mp and went for quality, not megapixels
5. I have an Airport Extreme and my Macs connect on N and my Pre and Hero connect on G. Works fine. Nuff said.
6. Download a task manager if you want, but your thinking is from a 'Windows Perspective.' You really don't have to kill anything unless the program is causing issues.
7. At least I can make calls on Sprint. lol (sorry, I had to. Had the iPhone, 5 out of 10 of my calls would drop. Not kidding)
8. It's not slow at all for me. Faster than iPhone or Pre (had both)

This is a beta world. You can't tell me that the iPhone released without a hitch... the 3G would cause everyone on the tower you were on to drop their calls for crying out loud. Talk about a guinea pig... Even my Blu-Ray player had to be updated to 2.0 after I bought it. That's just the way things are now. That being said, this phone does have more bugs than a HUD home. SMS, memory, EV dropping, headphone issues... but the things you mention are a non-issue for me.

You have had you phone less than 30 days, exchange it for an iPhone or Pre and I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Fake Name]

Edit: You'll also notice there's a bit of a delay between when you hit the button to take a picture and when it actually takes it

thats quiet helpful tip.
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But then again, its good for what it is, I think all of us just got used to our 10+megapixel cameras...

also its very sunny in my town right now...

 

[Aldo Junior Ao2]

So let me get this clear i can't use this for taking pics of my family and then hang it in my livingroom. What a hunk of junk. I am taking this back what is the point. I bought this thinking i could take awesome pics connect to my N- Router when i am outside. So pissed i am tooo lazy to go into a task manager and stop the apps. I wish this phone was Perfect like every other phone.

 

[LTZguy]

i just did a lil playin with the camera...i downloaded snap photo and fx camera and took a couple pics. they seemed to work better than the factory camera app....but still not that great. And both of those two apps failed to save the pictures to the phone and they didnt have a zoom. one of them seemed to focus alot faster. they also still had the low light blurry condition. i'm goin trade it in either tonight or tomorrow. seems like i goin through crap with yet another phone. I had the instinct hd last month when it came out...while the camera was simply awsome...it sucked as a phone. always locking up, battery meter was off etc...i cant win either way...sprint sees me comin from a mile away and gives me a pos every time...i went through 5 original instincts till i got a good one.

 

[Aldo Junior Ao2]

Question how do you take a pic. Do you press the ball or push and hold the part of the screen that need to be focus. I never use that trackball. Try pushing the part that needs to focus but hold it until it snaps the pic. Turn off auto-focus cus that stinks it keeps trying to lock when you move it.

 

[ecaggiani]

Question how do you take a pic. Do you press the ball or push and hold the part of the screen that need to be focus. I never use that trackball. Try pushing the part that needs to focus but hold it until it snaps the pic. Turn off auto-focus cus that stinks it keeps trying to lock when you move it.

taking the pic by holding your finger on the screen is by far THE BEST WAY to take good pictures with the Hero. Pressing the trackball will always move the camera enough to cause blur. Once I learned of the trick to hold down on the screen, my pics have been great!

 

[Fake Name]

if the camera had zoom, then it would be big, have any of you had those huge cameras with like x15 zoom? Or any professional camera? Well the reason it can zoom in is due to that bulky lens, imagine that on a phone

Then you can use the phone as a weapon for self defense

 

[Deleted User]

if the camera had zoom, then it would be big, have any of you had those huge cameras with like x15 zoom? Or any professional camera? Well the reason it can zoom in is due to that bulky lens, imagine that on a phone

Then you can use the phone as a weapon for self defense

Digital zoom doesn't take up any extra room, just software processing.

 

[Fake Name]

Digital zoom doesn't take up any extra room, just software processing.

you are right

 

[romeosidvicious]

I know it's been done but I am going to address the OP as well...

Here are the issues I am having:

1. Can't lock screen while in a call. Red button just hangs up the call.

This is completely an HTC issue and has nothing to do with Android. HTC designed this part badly.

[/quote]2. Apps cannot be installed to sd card. Internal Phone Storage after a device wipe shows about 136MB free. I downloaded about 5 or 6 apps and the phone ran out of room. I deleted the apps, but the space was not reclaimed. This is why I had to reset the device. Now I am afraid to install apps without filling it up again.[/quote]
Again this is not Android since the custom ROMs and rooted phones support this feature. The very fact that custom ROMs and rooted phones support this shows that Android does. The blame again lies with the device manufacture for not implementing this functionality.

I also call bullshit on your space claims, which incidentally are a manufacture issue as well, as there are not 6 apps that will fill up a Hero. Furthermore it's total bollocks that you uninstalled the apps and didn't reclaim your space. And it's just icing on your cake of crap that a reset didn't get the space back. This claim is provably wrong. Support your claim and list the six apps you downloaded. You won't because you can't. I have easily three times that many apps and space left over.

3. Bluetooth does no always connect back to my headset. sometime I have to turn on/off bluetooth on phone. Sometimes I have to reboot phone. One time I installed Pandora and bluetooth would not work until I figured out that removing Pandora would fix it.

I haven't used BT with this handset but your description matches pretty much any BT device I've used with any phone to be perfectly honest. I don't doubt there may be BT issues but once again the manufacture chooses the BT chipset and Android just accesses the chipset. If HTC chose a crappy chipset for the Hero then this is also on HTC.

4. Camera is no good.

Of course it's not. It's a reduced frame sensor without a flash. Most reduced frame sensors are crap to begin with. Strap one a cell phone as an add on and it's still crap. 5MP or not it's never going to take great photos. It takes passable pictures for what it is if you understand anything about digital photo technology and how to take pictures with a reduced frame sensor and how to hold still.

5. WIFI cannot connect to an N router running in mixed mode (a,b,g,n). You must "dumb" down the router to b,g mode in order to connect the phone. This means hat other users who have no issues with N have to suffer the reduced speed of b,g.

Wrong just plain wrong. I am currently connected to an N router running in mixed mode with no issues. If you are having issues you may have a cheap router that doesn't behave according to spec. Windows Vista had problems connecting to WPA-PSK for a long time and that was an OS issue. Since there are no other claims of this not working I would suspect you either have a bad phone, and that would be on HTC and not Android, or you are simply making stuff up.

6. No way to "EXIT" an app to reclaim RAM.

It's not necessary unless an app is misbehaving. Android is a Linux OS and is a true multi-tasking OS unlike the WinMo and the iPhone OS. If you need this explained you can go look this post.

7. KB not as accurate as the iphone.

The KB is a accurate as your touch is. If you go through the learning app under settings it can be even more accurate. It's not the greatest KB in the world but neither is any on screen KB. If you want an accurate KB get a G1 or wait for the Sholes devices. I am faster on the Hero KB than I am on any of my friend's iPhone's KBs. This claim is subjective at best.

8. I have disabled HTC Sense and it is still slow. For example, often when I load favorites, nothing displays for about 3-4 seconds. This is not acceptable.

What "favorites" are you loading? I rarely see slowdowns but when I do I usually discover it's updating two or more email accounts along with syncing data for multiple widgets and once that passes so does the slowness and it's never 3 or 4 seconds it's a second at best.

Overall, not a very tested or mature OS. I feel like I should not be starting from scratch like this. The folks at Android are guilty of using the consumer as a guinea pig. This is not acceptable. We are not reinventing the wheel, so why are obvious features missing?

Features missing from the OS? There are none. Features not implemented by HTC on their devices: sure there are but that's on HTC. Android is running on netbooks doing things a phone will never do. What the phone does, in this case, is limited by the device manufacture and not the OS. It's a Linux bas for God's sake you can write anything you want to for it however a device manufacture can keep you out of anything they like which is why we root our phones.

To be perfectly honest I suspect I have wasted my time even responding. It looks like you have browsed a bunch of forums, found some complaints, exaggerated the claims, and made up a post. If your phone really has all of the actual problem you described then you got a bad phone, which is obviously not the fault of the OS, but I suspect that you don't even own a Hero or any other Android based phone.

 

[romeosidvicious]

Digital zoom doesn't take up any extra room, just software processing.

But digital zoom is lossy and complete crap. You take a larger area of a picture and shove it into the same number of megapixels meaning that each megapixel has less data. Regardless of how many megapixels you shove into a phone you are still working with a very reduced frame sensor and will never take great shots and digital zoom further reduces the quality of the image. So while you are technically correct about it take only extra processing you also miss that the lens is also a prime lens and not designed to zoom so digital zoom will result in artifacts regardless of how good the software processing is.

 

[revtime]

HA HA You guys took Iphone boys Hero bashing thread and turned it into a how to use the camera discussion. Classic. lol

 

[Deleted User]

But digital zoom is lossy and complete crap. You take a larger area of a picture and shove it into the same number of megapixels meaning that each megapixel has less data. Regardless of how many megapixels you shove into a phone you are still working with a very reduced frame sensor and will never take great shots and digital zoom further reduces the quality of the image. So while you are technically correct about it take only extra processing you also miss that the lens is also a prime lens and not designed to zoom so digital zoom will result in artifacts regardless of how good the software processing is.

I'm not saying its any good, just merely pointing out you CAN have zoom without size.

 

[romeosidvicious]

I'm not saying its any good, just merely pointing out you CAN have zoom without size.

Yes you CAN But why would you want to?

 

[twospirits]

HA HA You guys took Iphone boys Hero bashing thread and turned it into a how to use the camera discussion. Classic. lol

lol So true, Brilliant. Actually I am surprised that this thread isn't locked by now considering that what I got out of the OP main message was to totally bash the Hero. Still with every new phone and yes this is a new phone even compared to the AT&T/T-Mobile ones due to its inclusion of CDMA capabilty on a 1.5 cupcake, there will be numerous issues as well as little things (big to others) that one may not like. But no one put a gun to the original poster head in getting the first generation cdma android product from Sprint. Don't like the phone and it doesn't do all that you want, simple, return it back, go to another carrier and let those of us that do know its limitations alone. In no time there will be updates, be it from HTC, Sprint or xda.developers that will enhance the unit. in the meantime we will sit patiently enjoying the current build, while you go in search of that elusive all perfect phone from another all perfect carrier that has an all perfect data plan.

Personally, I've mentioned it before, coming from a Winmo Diamond the android system is far and above superior.


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