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2012 - year of Linux!

baillou2 said:
I haven't used Fedora really because I keep hearing that they have gone downhill over the years. In all honesty the problems aren't big ones and can be fixed by anyone with basic Linux knowledge. But for new users it seems Fedora is not a good choice. They just aren't polishing their distros before release in the way they should be.
Then again I have never used it personally so I don't know for certain.

p.s. I just moved to Hawaii from Northern Florida. I miss St Marys :-)
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are you in the service?

yeah I have to admit they are not as polished as they once were and now with this new Gnome 3 which I am assuming is more like unity I'm not as pleased as I once was. Still it is a very good system. As far as new users go I would push PCLOS on them. Its based on mandriva and its a very decent system. Mandriva itself is a decent system I actually like it however with the real uncertainty of their future its hard to push them. I also Like Sabayon Its a nice looking system. I had some issues with an older wifi but i really didnt' try to fix it just went ahead and installed fedora on that system. Sabayon is built on Gentoo which hopefully one day I'll install.
 
For anyone who wants to make 2012 their year of Linux on the desktop, IMHO checking out Mepis would be a good start! I've used it for a number of years now and although I've dabbles with other distros (Currently have openSUSE on my secondary PC.) I always come back to Mepis.
 
mikedt said:
Presumably Canonical/Ubuntu is financially secure at the moment, mainly because AFAIK Mark Shuttleworth is financing the whole venture from his fat wallet.
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What happens when this Mark Butterworth guy decides to stop supporting it and he puts his cash into rebuilding his pancake syrup empire? Will there be enough support in the Linux community to drive it forward? Yes is my guess.

And when the general public reads that Ubuntu will be in trouble or will soon be gone, how many will flee and move on to the next distro? When Ubuntu goes (if it goes away) many users will also likely go because (my guess) people want to purchase stuff from thriving manufacturers and not have to depend on support from Mr. Google.

Look at how many people stop using a perfectly good OS when Microsoft stops supporting it.
 
It's very likely that Canonical is currently a profitable company. Regardless, Red Hat is a far bigger contributor to the Linux kernel, and they're incredibly profitable. That's just one of many possible examples. Without Ubuntu, Linux would still be chugging ahead.
 
Bob Maxey said:
What happens when this Mark Butterworth guy decides to stop supporting it and he puts his cash into rebuilding his pancake syrup empire? Will there be enough support in the Linux community to drive it forward? Yes is my guess.

And when the general public reads that Ubuntu will be in trouble or will soon be gone, how many will flee and move on to the next distro? When Ubuntu goes (if it goes away) many users will also likely go because (my guess) people want to purchase stuff from thriving manufacturers and not have to depend on support from Mr. Google.

Look at how many people stop using a perfectly good OS when Microsoft stops supporting it.
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Completely abandoned everything they ever started from DOS on up. Very interesting that ReactOS is building their OS off of XP and 2000

Sulfur said:
It's very likely that Canonical is currently a profitable company. Regardless, Red Hat is a far bigger contributor to the Linux kernel, and they're incredibly profitable. That's just one of many possible examples. Without Ubuntu, Linux would still be chugging ahead.
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yes true but for how much longer will the desktop matter? I know years ago they said that the laptop will totally annihilate the desktop and it has yet to do so. However now that other avenues are popping up (Smart Phones, Tablets) I just wonder how much longer the old desktop is going to hold out. Yes in business it will remain for several more years I feel. But I'm just not sure about the home market.
 
argedion said:
Completely abandoned everything they ever started from DOS on up. Very interesting that ReactOS is building their OS off of XP and 2000
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Honestly though, what do you expect? They don't have the resources to support every single OS they've ever put out and develop new products at the same time.
 
argedion said:
Completely abandoned everything they ever started from DOS on up.
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MS can't go on supporting the really ancient stuff forever. If one really needs to run legacy DOS apps, there's always DOSbox and FreeDOS. Both of which are very well developed and have excellent support.

argedion said:
Very interesting that ReactOS is building their OS off of XP and 2000
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Win 2000 and XP compatibility seems like a very good place to start building an open-source Windows compatible OS, given that XP is still the most widely used version of Windows there is. No real point in the project supporting older stuff like DOS, as that kind of thing is already catered for by the previously mentioned DOSbox and FreeDOS.
 
Honestly though, what do you expect? They don't have the resources to support every single OS they've ever put out and develop new products at the same time.
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No I don't expect them to. I don't not just for financial reasons but also for reason of practicality. I wasn't necessarily making the statement a negative statement just a recore to something someone else stated. If we spend time in the past then we can't grow for the future.

Win 2000 and XP compatibility seems like a very good place to start building an open-source Windows compatible OS, given that XP is still the most widely used version of Windows there is. No real point in the project supporting older stuff like DOS, as that kind of thing is already catered for by the previously mentioned DOSbox and FreeDOS
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absolutely a great place to start. not necessarily again pointing to something negative I am actually glad to see that someone is putting together a "Windows" type system.

The reason "Vista" has as many problems as it does is because Microsoft decided to rewrite all the code. One this took them a lot longer than they had initially hoped for which caused them to not properly test the system. When it was released to the public we demanded XP to be updated. Microsoft Complied Gave us SP-3
 
Longhorn R.I.P.

And if an open, binary-compatible for Windows does come to fruition, then will that help advance the elusive goal of running Windows apps under Linux at some point?

I gave up on this long ago, and haven't been following, so maybe I'm missing something.
 
EarlyMon said:
Longhorn R.I.P.

And if an open, binary-compatible for Windows does come to fruition, then will that help advance the elusive goal of running Windows apps under Linux at some point?

I gave up on this long ago, and haven't been following, so maybe I'm missing something.
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Not sure that is the case. I think the project exist to allow the use of incompatible programs and outdated programs and hardware. You know stuff that still works but Ms gives you finger when you ask to support it
 
argedion said:
Not sure that is the case. I think the project exist to allow the use of incompatible programs and outdated programs and hardware. You know stuff that still works but Ms gives you finger when you ask to support it
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Personally I would expect nothing else. I wouldn't expect a company to support 10 year old software regardless of whether they still work or not.
 
EarlyMon said:
Longhorn R.I.P.

And if an open, binary-compatible for Windows does come to fruition, then will that help advance the elusive goal of running Windows apps under Linux at some point?

I gave up on this long ago, and haven't been following, so maybe I'm missing something.
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With regards to Windows apps on Linux, anything that doesnt need hardware ('cept the processor cores), generally works fine for me with Wine. Games and heavy apps generally fail due to graphics, other software due to needing devices.
 
I don't run windows apps at all. I generally stick with cross platform apps

Vlc for media
Gimp for image manipulation
Audacity for ringtones and others
Libre Office
Thunderbird w Lightning
Firefox/ Opera

I suck to bad to be a gammer. Usually die in less than five minutes

Don't know what the future holds I really hope that Linux gets to play a part in it
 
Linux isn't going anywhere. It runs web servers everywhere and is the backbone of the 'net. That's the part it will play. I don't see it ever getting any traction on the desktop or any other server platforms other than web servers. It's not going to compete in mobile unless you want to toss Android in there since it's Linux based.
 
argedion said:
I don't run windows apps at all. I generally stick with cross platform apps

Vlc for media
Gimp for image manipulation
Audacity for ringtones and others
Libre Office
Thunderbird w Lightning
Firefox/ Opera

I suck to bad to be a gammer. Usually die in less than five minutes

Don't know what the future holds I really hope that Linux gets to play a part in it
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VLC, GIMP, Libre and Opera are all super on Ubuntu alright
The Windows apps I use are WinRar and Format Factory (which utilises all processor threads and everything)
 
A.Nonymous said:
Linux isn't going anywhere. It runs web servers everywhere and is the backbone of the 'net. That's the part it will play. I don't see it ever getting any traction on the desktop or any other server platforms other than web servers. It's not going to compete in mobile unless you want to toss Android in there since it's Linux based.
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I agree linux isn't going anywhere. However, I have to disagree with it wont go anywhere else. A lot of The Government Agencies are now all running Linux Servers with Windows Desktops. A lot of Other Governments also use Linux Servers. Also truth be know A Linux server is much easier to use at home than most would think. It requires a lot less than windows and its cheaper. Even if one doesn't care for Linux you really can't beat the price and you don't have to do much with it set it up and go. Setting it up can be somewhat of a pain if your not familiar with it but really with most distro's having a forum you can find out what you need to know relatively easy.
 
Linux probably will not take over the desktop market, but in a way, I'm glad. Those that don't want to use it, it's their lost. They can continue to spend good money on Windows products and be locked in and continue to get bugs, viruses, spyware & malware.

I know it seems W7 is not as bad but still, people have issues with it just as much as people have issues with linux. Just remember, Linux is free, other than time spent.

Besides the server market, linux is run on alot of different appliances also.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Linux isn't going anywhere. It runs web servers everywhere and is the backbone of the 'net. That's the part it will play. I don't see it ever getting any traction on the desktop or any other server platforms other than web servers. It's not going to compete in mobile unless you want to toss Android in there since it's Linux based.
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Android = Linux + Dalvik Virtual Machine (VM) + apps that run in the VM, and get library services from Linux.

Much more than Linux-based, Android is Linux.

Also, TiVo and DirecTV DVRs, to add to the appliances side.

PS - Normally, I use Hackers Keyboard, but I thought SwiftKey X might underscore that this is from my phone. Android lacks X11, as the graphical clients run in ... the Dalvik VM.

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PPS - The following illustrates the building-block approach to creating a working Linux system -

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems

So, it's accurate to say to that:

Typical_Linux_distribution = Linux + desktop_environment + client apps that run on the desktop and get library services from Linux.

Note the similarity to the Android distribution of Linux. Except for servers where the user has chosen to run headless or with just a console interface or with just an http interface, or the like, Android is not different from other distributions in any substantial way, because (going for triology) Android is Linux.
 
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